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Ryuji is a character that is way less obvious but I imagine is 'strong straight but has no issues with possible bi later on'. You can compliment Ryuji physically in Strikers and he takes it in good stride. The bi women would be a bit harder to parse, partially because you only play as a girl in one added route of a game. Chie/Yukiko/Ann feel obvious, but then things like Yukari/Mitsuru feel like just 'reading too much into women friendships'.
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I agree with Matt Mercer that Yusuke would probably be down for anything so long as you got dinner after.
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Yusuke would also be down if you dressed up as a lobster. He's also probably some kind of hotpotsexual but I think that's a lot harder to cosplay.
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ApplesandOranges posted:You can compliment Ryuji physically in Strikers and he takes it in good stride. Honestly I interpreted that as a spoof on the cliche of "overhearing the women's bath where they're all inexplicably comparing boobs" I half expected the followup dialogue option to be "so who wants to compare cocks?"
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Mar 2, 2021 04:29
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Fojar38 posted:Honestly I interpreted that as a spoof on the cliche of "overhearing the women's bath where they're all inexplicably comparing boobs" It literally comes up when Futaba is doing exactly that yes.
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Mar 2, 2021 05:04
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Lord_Magmar posted:It literally comes up when Futaba is doing exactly that yes. Yeah that was why I made the connection.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:kanji's rank 10 s-link takes place in your room which aside from him only happens for characters you've romanced. he is 100% gay. he likes Naoto too because he's bi or not an absolute 6 on the kinsey scale but he definitely likes men in a romantic manner and you know what good for him Yeah I agree with this reading. Or more specifically, my read is that Kanji is definitely attracted to men and possibly also women but also that he hasn't quite figured it out himself yet and/or isn't quite comfortable with it yet. Yosuke isn't helping, either.
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Mar 2, 2021 05:13
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ApplesandOranges posted:Maruki has forced 7-8 scenes if you don't care about him. But everyone likes Maruki
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Mar 2, 2021 05:35
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yosuke literally was written as a romance that got removed past second
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like there's a voice clip of yosuke saying 'I like you' in a kind of romantic tone that's bundled with his rank 9/10 s. link lines but there's a lot of stuff that could be. and there's no particular evidence it was removed 'last minute,' either. plenty of stuff gets leftover in the game files despite being removed very early on in production. and dubbing companies tend to just dub everything in the files, because they barely have any context for what is and isn't actually used in the game, so it being dubbed also isn't proof it's important. notably, i've never been able to find any evidence of a similar voice clip existing in the JP game's files. so again: a lot of things it could be. just off the top of my head, in descending order of how plausible they are: 1) Female MC route that got scrapped. (Multiple P4 staff members have stated that the option was considered and decided against) 2) Scrapped way to pair party members together that tied into the s. link system. (Notably, the game pushes Kanji and Naoto in a way P5 and P3 don't really do with any of their party members.) 3) The translation was going to add a Yosuke romance in an attempt to massage Yosuke's deal, but the kibosh was put on it by the Japanese developers. Now, it could obviously also be a remnant of a scrapped Yosuke romance as intended by the original devs, that's the simplest explanation, but it's in no way confirmed and we have no way of knowing when it was cut. I feel like people jump from 'oh that's kind of interesting' to 'THIS UNLOCKS THE SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE.'
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Fair enough, I was simply repeating what I’d heard, that there’s a definite romantic option to the end of Yosuke’s link with several lines, not just one. As for bi ladies, considering much of Futaba’s responses to Ann and Makoto she’s probably at least Bi (she constantly comments on the size of their assets in a way that suggests she’s not jealous but instead really appreciative of them).
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the exact dialogue is https://tcrf.net/Persona_4/Unused_Voice_Clips/Social_Links#Yosuke_Hanamura here its fairly explicitly romantic, but notably its impossible to know if it all goes together in like, one big lump. people tend to use the 'i focused on finding the killer to avoid confronting myself' thing as proof it was closeted gay stuff, but there's no evidence that line leads into the 'i like you.' like, it probably does, but it's impossible to tell. also, to comment on the other convo going on here, the secret answer is that any character is any sexuality you want, cause like, its fiction. just go with whatever gut feeling makes you happy. for instance yukari and mitsuru are def. a little gay, and i will not listen to the homophobic slur 'reading too much into female friendship.'
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Mar 2, 2021 07:45
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Like all videogame characters, they are bi unless explicitly said otherwise, in which case they are still bi but in denial about it.
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I do get the impression Kanji's story is written from the perspective that it's a bigger deal to go against stereotypes and not get "put in boxes" rather than actually having unambiguous representation. Different cultural sphere obviously, but it reminds me of this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9jNnDovrw8 It's this vaguely progressive but really straight-centered and apathetic perspective that's gotten dated and kind of insufferable in recent years. The interpretation of "what's going on with Naoto?" has changed even more drastically too, with a lot more people being aware that trans men and NB people are a thing and she could well be one.
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Endorph posted:3) The translation was going to add a Yosuke romance in an attempt to massage Yosuke's deal, but the kibosh was put on it by the Japanese developers. There's definitely a bunch of people reading too much into a couple of unused dub lines in that case, though. The truth is, we don't know what those lines are there for and while that interpretation may be correct, there's no proof and even if it is true, they were excised from the game for whatever reason, which means they don't really count.
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To be fair, Aigis has never uninstalled or shut down troll.exe ever since discovering it in the first fighting game.
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Mar 2, 2021 10:17
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The first fighting game actually has reasonably good writing, which is why P4AU was such a disappointment even if Junpei/Yukari's new designs were rad. Junpei turning into a baseball coach for middle school kids and finally moving away from his clunky greatsword fighting style was perfect.
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ApplesandOranges posted:The first fighting game actually has reasonably good writing, which is why P4AU was such a disappointment even if Junpei/Yukari's new designs were rad.
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Mar 2, 2021 10:58
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Yeah, if anything Junpei was leaning into it
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I missed KanjiChat(tm), but I just wanted to note that I found it really refreshing that Rise is not his type at all. It only comes out in like one or two lines, but it comes out in a blunt "well no I didn't think about you, why would I?" sort of thing. (the bit in February when they're all skiing) P4 is a game that goes out of its way to point out that Rise (and Yukiko, but mainly Rise) are attractive, so I'm glad that there was just even a little pushback on that. That, or he knows a rival for that penguin animal cracker when he sees one.
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I'm glad everyone supports Kanji because he is a good boy  Anyways, I always thought (only one probably) Yusuke was asexual but at the same time Jokersexual since all of our hangouts and time together. I can see Joker moving back to Tokyo after HS for college and them renting an apt together as the game intended before plot reasons.
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Mar 2, 2021 18:11
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I just wish we got more of Chie’s dog.
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How gay is the dog though
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Fojar38 posted:How gay is the dog though The only canonically gay organism in Inaba, actually.
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Drakenel posted:To be fair, Aigis has never uninstalled or shut down troll.exe ever since discovering it in the first fighting game.  this is the best line aigis has ever gotten
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Endorph posted:
What the hell I like Aigis now
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Mar 2, 2021 19:40
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Endorph posted:
holy poo poo
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The P4Arena manga has some good lines imo
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Something I'm thinking about during a replay of P5R: I wish more bosses had weaknesses. Unlike in Persona 3, getting knocked down doesn't take up a character's next turn, and unlike in Persona 4, getting hit while knocked down doesn't have a chance to stun the target. It's just a temporary "takes more damage" and "enables all-out attack" state. If they made it so that there were special conditions to get all-out attacks on bosses beyond just knockdown, then giving bosses weaknesses would I think open up more interesting boss fights. As it is, boss fights just kind of ignore part of the combat system and try to make up for it with gimmicks, which don't always work out to being interesting. I was thinking about this during the fifth Palace boss (Shadow Okumura), which is a real pain, but at the same time, it's neat to be able to actually use baton pass during a boss fight. Boss fights where the way you do big damage is by using baton pass well would be really cool. Maybe the next game could take some of the shield meter idea from Strikers, so bosses can have weaknesses but you have to hit them with their weakness a couple times before you get a knockdown/baton pass opening?
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Yeah, that boss was actually really fun for me since you got to exploit all the aspects of the battle system: weaknesses and Baton Pass were both fun to make use of and prevented it from boiling down 'okay load up best DPS, add a healer/buffer, let's roll', which was something that the sixth and seventh Palace bosses suffered from. It's a big reason why Haru fell off hard during P5R because she just didn't have the damage or buffs and her utility wasn't good enough to make up for it.
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Err, I thought Haru was actually great in P5R if you specced her to use her gun skills. One-shot kill has insane single-target damage potential.
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I wish Haru could've joined early enough to learn Charge from the jazz club, though it'd be really hard to choose between her and Yusuke for that. She can learn Concentrate but I think Makoto can use it better. Haru's still great for sweeping random battles with huge technicals.
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Thankfully they added that for Royal with the final boss fight, which I really enjoyed
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Deltasquid posted:Err, I thought Haru was actually great in P5R if you specced her to use her gun skills. One-shot kill has insane single-target damage potential. Her damage was always there, but then Ryuji is also great damage, and he has Matarukaja. She can kinda compete with Yusuke damage wise, but he has Masukukaja and a generally better Trait.
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I just caught up with a bunch of this thread since I'm playing Royal right now and I just want to note that Endorph's posts about translation and localization are really interesting.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Her damage was always there, but then Ryuji is also great damage, and he has Matarukaja. She can kinda compete with Yusuke damage wise, but he has Masukukaja and a generally better Trait. See I always just made sure the MC could do all the buffing and got rid of most of those abilities on my team for useful passives, healing or more specific options. Haru also has the widest options in terms of what she can get technical hits on (as Psychic spells hit all the mental abilities) so she always felt really good when you had all the benefits to technical hits unlocked. Personally I used everyone at all times in P5R and really enjoyed being able to swap characters in and out when needed, so I tended to use the protagonist as the support character, made sure he had all the healing and buffing and debuffing and one or two powerful nuker persona with access to all the spell types, which meant he put in a lot of extra work but that’s kind of the point of having so many Persona anyway.
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Joker's damage outstrips everyone else just because he does have access to everything. So the more time he's spending on support the less time he has for pumping out his own damage. Having one round of say, Joker/Ryuji/Makoto getting a round of buffs in means that everyone has two full rounds of blasting instead of MC being perpetually on support duty. Of course later on in P5R you can use Thermopylae and then that's all the buffing taken care of.
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Barring DLC personas and Myriad Truths, what's the most damaging team you can set up in P5R? Assuming the target is a boss and can't be affected by a lot of the technical-enabling status ailments. For physical damage at least, my guess is Joker, Ryuji, Yusuke, and then a support of your choice, probably Makoto so she can Checkmate the target (though you could give anyone Debilitate and they'd be good in that slot too). Outside of Myriad Truths, is anything going to do as much damage as a Charged-up Hassou Tobi when Ryuji's trait triggers?
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I never said it was optimal, just how I do things. Also yeah Thermopylae, or if you can get the use surrounded abilities even when not surrounded and the lower cost surrounded only version of Thermopylae are fantastic. I honestly rarely used full buffs though, I often found only one particularly necessary at any time. The bigger thing was giving people the group charge or group concentrate stuff imo.
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