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If there's anything the last 10 years should have taught us, it's that nostalgia is the most renewable resource of them all.
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Dawgstar posted:Where does the racist stuff in Earthblood come in? And I accept the answer could be as simple as 'used a Wendigo.' I'm curious, when did anything to do with the wendigo/windigo become a strictly negative? I get it's complicated because there's more than one take from first nations americans, but at least from the sorta resources I ask about those sorts of things (Chickasaw, Choctaw, Cree peoples I've spoken to and have friends with) it's never been a verboten thing to talk about, I've sort of asked this same question of some of those people I go to for knowledge bits and it's never been talked about as a holy or shall-not-be-named thing, it's an evil spirit or to some just a cautionary tale for cannibalism, I dunno, it's just been a curveball for people to get onto me about talking about it or even using the word without asterisk'ing out parts more recently when natives have been pretty up front to talk to me about things about it. Am I missing something or is the condemnation more for appropriating it in dumb hollywood ways that it's not actually about? Cause I can get that at least.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:19
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From what I've gathered the wendigo is something that's easy to gently caress up/hard to use respectfully. So in the case of Earthblood or other Werewolf: the Apocalypse properties, they almost certainly hosed something up because all that text has been written by willfully ignorant white guys for nearly three decades. But if they started from scratch and got some indigenous voices on as primary writers, theoretically it could be appropriate. (I'm not holding my breath.) The only cultural practices I know to be completely verboten are things to do with the Diné/Navajo people. (They used to call themselves the Diné, but after the Long Walk and a century of other genocidal tactics they are now officially the Navajo.)
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Feb 24, 2021 02:59
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In this case it's more that Wendigo in W:tA specifically refers to a Werewolf tribe native to the Pacific Northwest whose description, boiled down to its essence, is 'angry Native Americans that kill and maybe eat people.'
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Feb 24, 2021 03:00
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Octavo posted:They won't stop releasing 20th Anniversary stuff until White Wolf Entertainment has a competing edition. I don't know how Onyx Path can keep a straight face while releasing games with mechanics as totally busted as the 20th Anniversary books when they have the license to use any of the more or less functional iterations like nWoD's Storytelling system or Trinity 1e's Storyteller Revised. Releasing nostalgic editions with broken systems is like releasing HD remasters of PC games with all the BSOD-causing bugs left in for old time's sake.
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Feb 24, 2021 03:19
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NGDBSS posted:From what I've gathered the wendigo is something that's easy to gently caress up/hard to use respectfully. So in the case of Earthblood or other Werewolf: the Apocalypse properties, they almost certainly hosed something up because all that text has been written by willfully ignorant white guys for nearly three decades. But if they started from scratch and got some indigenous voices on as primary writers, theoretically it could be appropriate. (I'm not holding my breath.) Mors Rattus posted:In this case it's more that Wendigo in W:tA specifically refers to a Werewolf tribe native to the Pacific Northwest whose description, boiled down to its essence, is 'angry Native Americans that kill and maybe eat people.' Oh yeah I get it in crazy WoD ways that there's some real wonky material that's been written and then stretched out about a real world cultural folk creature, I've just been getting confusedly thrown for a loop about some people randomly on the internet being really weird about any discussion or even naming it for some reason more recently, which got brought back to mind by that other post. Yawgmoth posted:It's because some people genuinely enjoy these systems, sometimes because of how busted they are. Look how popular loving EverQuest is still. *Scoots Project 1999 installation under some folders*
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Feb 24, 2021 04:00
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Mors Rattus posted:In this case it's more that Wendigo in W:tA specifically refers to a Werewolf tribe native to the Pacific Northwest whose description, boiled down to its essence, is 'angry Native Americans that kill and maybe eat people.' Their tribal Totem literally eats folks yeah - which not only gets a headscratch from a cultural appropriation aspect but also the violation of werewolf law about, you know, not eating people. Both them and the Uktena also lean way heavy in to the magical native american thing, where everything was perfect before the white man showed up (i mean, fair) but also the tribal cultures were presented as frozen in time and not out there building large scale irrigation networks or planting trees for later harvest. NGDBSS posted:From what I've gathered the wendigo is something that's easy to gently caress up/hard to use respectfully. So in the case of Earthblood or other Werewolf: the Apocalypse properties, they almost certainly hosed something up because all that text has been written by willfully ignorant white guys for nearly three decades. But if they started from scratch and got some indigenous voices on as primary writers, theoretically it could be appropriate. (I'm not holding my breath.) They stuck their dick in that hornets' nest with the Nuwashi i think.
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Feb 24, 2021 04:08
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citybeatnik posted:Their tribal Totem literally eats folks yeah - which not only gets a headscratch from a cultural appropriation aspect but also the violation of werewolf law about, you know, not eating people. Ahh yes, Nuwisha, the splat that had "Pants?" on their character sheet
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Feb 24, 2021 04:18
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citybeatnik posted:Their tribal Totem literally eats folks yeah - which not only gets a headscratch from a cultural appropriation aspect but also the violation of werewolf law about, you know, not eating people. The problem with the... well, both Native American tribes (and also the Croatan, but they're dead) is lumping in dozens of different cultures under a single 'thing' and that 'thing' in the case of northern tribes is they got an evil cannibal spirit from Algonquin folklore. It's a very odd choice that comes off as 'We need something for a Native American tribe!' and they picked the wendigo because it sounded cool. Uktena isn't much better because that's a whole lot of tribes under a Cherokee name, but at least the Horned Serpent isn't actively malicious and you've had similar-ish creatures show up in myths in other parts of the world. Needless to say the W5 crew has a big task ahead of them.
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Feb 24, 2021 14:36
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Bummed to miss out on Adventure if they launch it on Indiegogo and not Kickstarter, but I am sure it will do well enough to come out on Drive-thru eventually.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:19
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Reflections85 posted:A bit off topic, but what authors do you think have taken Lovecraft further and turned it inside out? I've never loved Lovecraft myself, but I've enjoyed some of the cosmic horror and new weird fiction that has a debt to him. Ramsey Campbell's earliest stuff was competent pastiche but once his work matured he had a real fine line in remembering that cosmic horror doesn't have to be divorced from plausible characterisation, depictions of real social issues, etc. This Three Births of Daoloth trilogy (The Searching Dead, Born to the Dark, and The Way of the Worm) tells a Mythos story spanning some 60 years or so and is real good. EDIT: poo poo, sorry, didn't realise how far back that was. Still, I stand by the above.
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Mar 2, 2021 14:56
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A Ligotti-themed Demon campaign sounds loving legit.
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Mar 2, 2021 15:29
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Mar 2, 2021 15:42
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Reflections85 posted:A bit off topic, but what authors do you think have taken Lovecraft further and turned it inside out? I've never loved Lovecraft myself, but I've enjoyed some of the cosmic horror and new weird fiction that has a debt to him. Depends on what you mean and what you've already read.
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Mar 2, 2021 18:53
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lol hell yeah did almost say "ligotti themed changeling game" but I'm not that confident about my changeling knowledge
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Mar 2, 2021 18:55
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Tulip posted:lol hell yeah
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Mar 2, 2021 21:08
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Turns out W20 isn't completely dead. New book announced today, Dawkins described it on Twitter as the W20 equivalent to Beckett's Jyhad Diary http://theonyxpath.com/in-like-a-victorian-lion-monday-meeting-notes/
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Mar 3, 2021 02:10
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Odds that W5 might be on the chopping block?
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Mar 3, 2021 02:28
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Nonzero but close to zero I'd say.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:39
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Maybe this is meant to be a bridge like the Jyhad Diary sort of was then.
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Mar 3, 2021 02:41
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My Work Is Not Yet Done could probably work as inspirational material for any of these.
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Mar 3, 2021 03:02
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Warthur posted:My Work Is Not Yet Done could probably work as inspirational material for any of these.  That and Conspiracy Against the Human Race are usually in my inspirational rotation when coming up with a PC for most games
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Mar 3, 2021 03:07
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Ligotti is nWoD, Laird Barron is oWoD.
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Mar 3, 2021 03:43
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Kurieg posted:Nonzero but close to zero I'd say. I wonder how well V5 has done as a product line. Having actually seen a copy on a shelf for sale makes me assume pretty well but with the way the industry is now it is hard to tell.
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Mar 3, 2021 13:14
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I wonder how well V5 has done as a product line. Having actually seen a copy on a shelf for sale makes me assume pretty well but with the way the industry is now it is hard to tell. PDFs seem to do well at DTRPG. Chicago by Night is a Platinum Seller.
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Mar 3, 2021 14:44
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Yeah, I gotta assume that a good fraction if not the majority of TTRPGs are played on roll20 and discord nowadays, and the books are all PDFs. That's how I've been doing it the past 3 years at least, anyway.
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Mar 3, 2021 16:36
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Crasical posted:Yeah, I gotta assume that a good fraction if not the majority of TTRPGs are played on roll20 and discord nowadays, and the books are all PDFs. That's how I've been doing it the past 3 years at least, anyway. It's weird, I've jumped into digital comics with both feet years and years ago, but I cannot play an rpg using only a pdf, I need that physical book to flip through. pdfs are reference only for me.
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Mar 3, 2021 17:32
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Soonmot posted:It's weird, I've jumped into digital comics with both feet years and years ago, but I cannot play an rpg using only a pdf, I need that physical book to flip through. pdfs are reference only for me. Just making characters for Scion itself requires 3-5 books open depending on what you're doing. I miss print.
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Mar 3, 2021 17:48
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:My biggest problem with digital tabletop gaming (and I've been playing it exclusively digital for over a decade now, good lord) is that (1) Acrobat is the shittiest program on earth and (2) rules tend to be scattered across so many things. So if I'm playing CtL, I've got the CoD core book, the CtL core book, the companion book open, and hoping I don't get a "no more memory sorry boss" error message on one of the too-many-layers-for-what's-there pages. Use SumatraPDF, you poor thing.
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Mar 3, 2021 17:51
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I go with Foxit, which is also pretty decent and way lighter than Acrobat.
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Mar 3, 2021 17:55
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For running games online, the two hugest improvements I've found in my quality of life were getting a second monitor and getting a better pdf reader (started with Foxit, now I use Sumatra).
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Mar 3, 2021 17:59
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I've been wanting to run a game of promethean so I asked my fiancee if she wanted to ask her one tabletop rpg friend if he wanted to play promethean, but he didn't know what it was and my fiancee only knows about it from me telling her and reading a couple of the firestorm chronicles stories to her so it was like a game of telephone. So she describes promethean to her friend and somehow she managed to perfectly describe geist lol. She had never even heard of geist.
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Mar 3, 2021 18:02
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Attorney at Funk posted:For running games online, the two hugest improvements I've found in my quality of life were getting a second monitor and getting a better pdf reader (started with Foxit, now I use Sumatra). It helped me to cut out relevant portions I thought I'd need later and paste it in a big document. Any NPC disciplines, weapon stats, character stats I'd need to reference later, it all went in the document. Made ones for characters too, any special attacks they might want to make, what to use their blood for. Fun stuff.
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Mar 3, 2021 22:01
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Sumatra seems really nice and light weight, though not being able to edit character sheets is a major downside
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Mar 3, 2021 22:30
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midwifecrisis posted:Sumatra seems really nice and light weight, though not being able to edit character sheets is a major downside
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Mar 3, 2021 22:55
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:The appropriate sicko mode is making your sheets in google sheets for everything. how dare you call me out like this
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Mar 3, 2021 23:31
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:The appropriate sicko mode is making your sheets in google sheets for everything. One of my players did this and I thought it was weird, but then I started copying him and now I can't stop. Send help.
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Mar 4, 2021 01:06
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:The appropriate sicko mode is making your sheets in google sheets for everything. Put rules you use often, e.g. Conditions, in its own tab on the sheet. Hell, put the name of an ability in a cell and the full text of the ability in a comment on the cell!
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Mar 4, 2021 01:14
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Heck I’ll take recommendations for good Google sheets then...
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midwifecrisis posted:Heck I’ll take recommendations for good Google sheets then... CoD 2e (most splats) Scion 2e
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