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banned from Starbucks posted:Its especially strange because when Ripley goes to take her nap she sees Gorman has woken up from his coma and Burke is right there and shes just like It's just an extended version of the familiar perverse scenario where the hero subdues the villain, then just leaves them - turning their back and walking away, because "I'm better than that" or something. Then, as expected, the villain pulls a gun out of their rear end and the hero instantly caps 'em. Why choose between 'retaining your honor' and executing the villain, when you can have both? Cameron's too savvy to end the movie with Burke merely facing charges, even though that would be the 'honest' version of the ending.
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the villain is executed but I think it's his own hubris and stupidity that dun him in, as opposed to Ripley
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alf_pogs posted:i like thinking about this compared to David, who is programmed to apparently be sarcastic to the point of confusion David was a one of a kind attempt for Weyland to make a perfect son for himself though so that makes sense for me. The part during the Prometheus briefing where he explains how he completely loving failed at that but in a way that's just him making GBS threads on David's existence and Vickers also despite her basically being the perfect kid was really effective with that too.
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Amarcarts posted:Re-watching Resurrection for the first time in a while now. I think it's an interesting movie and underrated. Look at it through the lens of the idea of an artist forced to work under the oppressive demands of a studio and a lot of the scenes take on new meaning. It's weird how Whedon was at one point seen as a scrappy nerd-made-good artiste, and is now increasingly seen as mediocre pap forced on better artists to make their work more accessible. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Halloween Jack posted:I rewatched it a few weeks ago and it was a fascinating movie. It really does feel like a Jeunet Aliens welded to a Whedon Space Pirates movie. Like, it almost feels like they traded off directing scenes. The Jeunet movie is actually very good, with some subtle comedy--some of the closeups of xenomorph puppets screaming feels silly, like a parrot begging for food. Was it the first time someone tried to depict a "secure" caging system for the Xenos or had their been novels that went into it? It's been a long running part of the EU to have stories involving these systems inevitably failing.
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Do you mean caging individual Aliens specifically? They do it to lone Aliens in Labyrinth, Music of the Spears, and the AvP2010 video game, off the top of my head. They do it to groups or entire hives in the AvP2 PC game, Stronghold, Rogue, and I think Criminal Enterprise?
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Amarcarts posted:Was it the first time someone tried to depict a "secure" caging system for the Xenos or had their been novels that went into it? It's been a long running part of the EU to have stories involving these systems inevitably failing. Aliens: Stronghold is an example. They've got a xenomorph farm with blast doors, acid-neutralizing gel, even pheromone emitters and synthetics that can fool the xenomorphs. But the guy running the place is loving his gynoid secretary and selling xeno-drugs on the black market. VVVV In the comics they handwaved it away by coating everything in "neutra-gel." Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Jan 14, 2021 19:58
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Is the acid blood ever elaborated on in the EU stuff? It seems odd in Resurrection that they'd be doing all this research on the xenos and keeping them in a cage with all these precautions but they don't build the cage out of materials that can withstand the acid? Is it just some sort of advanced space acid that humans haven't been able to come up with a counter to yet? It seems like a pretty obvious oversight.
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Neo Rasa posted:David was a one of a kind attempt for Weyland to make a perfect son for himself though so that makes sense for me. sadly, vickers had a fatal flaw that kept her from perfection in his eyes. she can't turn left.
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All the android talk has led me to start re-watching Westworld. I only ever watched the first season.
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Amarcarts posted:All the android talk has led me to start re-watching Westworld. I only ever watched the first season. Watch Raised By Wolves instead.
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All this Burke talk got me watching Outland again. I used to be really down on Outland because of the extremely bad quality of the DVD, but the remastered blu-ray is revelatory. It’s a masterpiece - and, if there were a goopy monster in it, it’d easily top the list of Alien ripoffs (although the drug that effectively causes astronauts to hallucinate spiders and explode might as well count). But the reason to bring it up now is that Outland has nearly the same story as Aliens. And, although it’s a movie about a hero cop doing a ‘war on drugs’ (there’s no getting around that fact), its politics are less reactionary than Aliens’. I strongly recommended watching Outland in the best quality you can get.
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I give Outland major kudos for pairing Sean Connery with a woman his own age.
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WY trooper fo sure. That dude owns.
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The boots on the other guy look like they weigh 40 pounds apiece.
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PeterCat posted:I give Outland major kudos for pairing Sean Connery with a woman his own age. Technically speaking, the actress who plays O’Neil’s wife is ten years younger. The bigger accomplishment is that O’Neil isn’t really ‘paired up’ with Dr. Lazarus at all. So, although the film does end in loosely the same way as Aliens, you don’t have the thing where Ripley gets her groove back through a sexual relationship. Other key differences between Outland and Aliens: -Although Outland also focuses on a corrupt middle-management type as an antagonist, it’s repeatedly emphasized that the problems are systemic. The entire Io mining facility serves as an illustration of “the machine”. -Adding to this, Outland’a story does not centre around some kind of exceptional catastrophic event that must be resolved to restore normalcy. Instead, O’Neil is the intolerable disruption of the deadening status quo. It’s also made fairly clear that the drug trade is far from the only problem in the facility. -As noted earlier, Outland eschews metaphor and just straight-up says that the “aliens” are workers who’ve been driven insane by unsafe working conditions. But, unlike Ripley, O’Neil does his best to protect the from his fellow cops! Imagine, like, Ripley telling Vasquez not to shoot the aliens because they should be here to protect them. Also, in this sense, O’Neil defeats the “queen xenomorph” (a petty drug dealer) roughly halfway into the film because that’s not the real enemy. -I like that Outland’s version of the “atmosphere processor” is just a huge greenhouse. -In general, Outland has a far more convincing depiction of a mining colony as someplace where people actually live. It makes the ‘Special Edition’ scene with the kids on trikes look even sillier. There was seemingly never a point where Hadley’s Hope didn’t look like laser tag. Outland also shows the workers, y’know, working. -On top of this, Outland avoids the obscurity of Aliens by featuring three distinct factions: the League of Industrial Nations (which is the government), Con-Am (the company), and an unnamed organized crime syndicate. I also appreciate that the “corporations have supplanted the government!” cyberpunk cliche is dispensed with; Con-Am is clearly subordinate to the L.I.N.. It’s also worth noting that, by not being part of a plot continuity, Outland can (and does) work best when viewed before Alien. It makes clear that, despite being more bombastic, Aliens is somewhat of a regression from the previous film. Outland!
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McSpanky posted:The boots on the other guy look like they weigh 40 pounds apiece. It owns.
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just FYI for podcast fans, Gourley and Rust have dived into the Alien series and it's v enjoyable
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I’ll listen if they like Alien 3, Prometheus, and Covenant.
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They haven't gotten to Prometheus or Covenant yet, but they do like Alien³.
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The assembly cut of Alien3 is loving awesome.
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alf_pogs posted:just FYI for podcast fans, Gourley and Rust Who?
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I've tried and tried to like Alien 3. Seen every cut twice, no matter what I get extremely drowsy around the mid-point and can't stay engaged all the way through.
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Basebf555 posted:I've tried and tried to like Alien 3. Seen every cut twice, no matter what I get extremely drowsy around the mid-point and can't stay engaged all the way through. Have you tried watching them a third, fourth, and fifth time?
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So err what was the point of the EEV in 3? It didn't have engines or aero or a chute. Why were the cryo tubes loaded and ejected to a planet? Pure luck it landed in water and the passengers survived and were rescued. The lifeboat in 1 had engines.
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Shaocaholica posted:So err what was the point of the EEV in 3? It didn't have engines or aero or a chute. Why were the cryo tubes loaded and ejected to a planet? Pure luck it landed in water and the passengers survived and were rescued. The lifeboat in 1 had engines. A dumb wiki I googled because I was curious too posted:The Type 337 is a 'dead drop' vehicle designed to fall unpowered from orbit until it reaches a lower atmosphere, where it will use its thrusters to break its descent. At this point, the EEV will deploy its tricycle undercarriage and uses its remaining fuel to set down at the landing site.
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Lol thanks
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Hodgepodge posted:sadly, vickers had a fatal flaw that kept her from perfection in his eyes. she can't turn left. She tries to, stuff falls where she starts to run to the side, so she goes straight.
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Cross posting and I'm sure it's been done to death but I picked up this bad boy today and one for my son's 10th birthday in the coolest covid 19 mask contest. E: Sorry for the lovely quality  
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I just listened to audibles production of William Gibson’s Alien 3 script and...I don’t think it’s very good? I suspect a lot of the hype it got was people just dissatisfied with the David Fincher Alien 3, but this doesent strike me as much better. it’s kind of devoid of scenes that would make for interesting set pieces, or compelling characters. I don’t eve mean big action set pieces like aliens, there’s nothing it it that’s conceptually scary like say, Prometheus’ abortion scene. it’s painfully obvious that it was written to write out Ripley at a point where it wasn’t clear Weaver would return and it suffers from it The cold war analogies feel really ham handed. “Setting the self destruct and running” is already cliche to the series 3 movies in, at least in this one they actually make it off 10 minutes before it blows rather than 3 seconds, which never seems to happen in movies. The infection stuff was eventually done by Prometheus, and probably better. massive spider fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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YO, stop your grinnin’ and drop your linen, 4K Alien series set coming in 2022. https://www.thedigitalfix.com/film/home-releases-news/aliens-exclusive/
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Great news, but I wonder how Aliens would hold up with that.
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Xenomrph posted:YO, stop your grinnin’ and drop your linen, 4K Alien series set coming in 2022. Really looking forward to a 4K Alien 3 look. They better do the extended cut as well.
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Xenomrph posted:Oh right, I see what you mean - if they were going to get picked up and immediately bug out then Bishop should have been on the dropship (and would have died with Ferro and Spunkmeyer). Seem to recall the novelization actually said the dropship was going to pick up the Marines then go back to pick up Bishop right after. I'm guessing they figured he was less likely to be attacked in that time frame than the group that directly fled the nest and left a nice big trail for the aliens to them so they prioritized Ripley and company, which makes some sense.
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Xenomrph posted:YO, stop your grinnin’ and drop your linen, 4K Alien series set coming in 2022. I hope they do a AvP2 film and correct the lighting.
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New Aliens game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B63_ljZ91Mc
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Is it just me or is it like... and Aliens Looter Shooter? Looks okay, I like the visual detail but the animations are rough. Hopefully it turns out really good.
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After Colonial Marines I’m cautiously optimistic. The studio has been working on this for a while (in semi-secret; we knew they were making an Aliens game but nothing about the genre, gameplay, no screenshots until today). Hard to know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing in this case.
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