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Spoeank posted:I was using your logic. How does Tom Riker exist as a perfect copy if Will Riker was taken apart and spare parts weren't used to rebuild him, because the process was aborted? You started with your theory and worked backwards. Will Riker was taken apart, and spare parts used to assemble him, on board the Enterprise. Meanwhile, he was also "sent back" to the planet's surface. This is proof that the transporter puts you together from spare parts, and if that's true, then normally it kills you first. That's inherent in the idea of putting together a person from spare parts.
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Barkley wasn't in the two Riker episode was he? Feel like that could have been some good torture for him after getting over his phobia.
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I have been having a terrible time sleeping so that just means I get to watch a bunch of shows! Watched all of the expanse, which while I may have a few gripes here or there has been entertaining. I then watched season 2 of the boys since I had been holding off on that one and really didn't enjoy it as much as season 1. I guess because of the main storyline or just the dialogue itself it all was just too fresh of what we have been putting up with in real life but that might just be me. I think I'll watch season 2 of Mandolorian since my dad is behind Gina Carrano and doesn't want to watch it now. Still have Wandavision to watch as well.
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If the transporter is just moving Riker from point A to point B then a copy is impossible because where did it come from? If it's reassembling him, then it necessarily has to destroy the original otherwise there would always be more than one. If it's disassembling him and then sending the actual molecules he was originally composed of, you run into that problem of how there can be two, where did that copy of them come from
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Pops Mgee posted:I kinda want to start a ds9 rewatch but some of those episodes hit a little too hard right now. I started watching DS9 a few months ago and stopped because I found every character annoying. I can't even explain why, they just all grated on me.
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Freaquency posted:God, I know. I feel terrible for the victims here, but also the first responders on this. I can't emphasize enough how hard it is to immobilize and safely move a single patient with isolated ortho injuries from relatively open spaces like a shower, or between their tub and the toilet, or their bedrooms full of hummel figurines. It's something most people spend their entire lives not encountering and it requires plenty of manpower and careful stepwise planning on a good day. I mean, it is possible this quickly turned into an emergency extrication MCI scenario where they probably just peeled the car apart and started yanking people out, but just imagining trying to careful extricate 12 multi-system trauma patients out of a twisted mass of steel and broken glass and FIFTEEN loving BLACK TAGS is enough to give anyone the heebie jeebies. The closest I had to something like this involved a small minivan going off an interstate overpass and falling about 20 feet onto railroad tracks with poor access and a train bearing down it like 5mi away. We had a pediatric ejection fatality, 2 medevac adult traumas (1 of whom died) and 2 ground transport pediatric traumas. That was a herculean loving logistical task. With 5 patients.
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/KatyBlakeyNBC5/status/1366838469427871744 lol he's taking a lot of heat over his response to the blackouts and trying to salvage his office
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Has any society used faulty Transporters to just make infinite clones of people so they can make them fight to the death in gladiatorial combat? Like actually do the 200 toddlers vs a Klingon thing?
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The best Riker moment was when it is revealed on a DS9 episode that its actually Thomas Riker cause he takes off the fake side burns he's wearing to dramatic music.
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Blowjob Overtime posted:Apparently it was real expensive to produce, but they still did it dirty just saying gently caress it and pulling the plug. The movie is decent; definitely worth watching to tie up the series. Yeah I feel if they did a movie right after it was cancelled it would have likely been a little better due to not having to work around actors death’s and other scheduling issues, but it’s probably about as good as it could get.
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Leperflesh posted:Will Riker was taken apart, and spare parts used to assemble him, on board the Enterprise. Meanwhile, he was also "sent back" to the planet's surface. This is proof that the transporter puts you together from spare parts, and if that's true, then normally it kills you first. That's inherent in the idea of putting together a person from spare parts. By what process was Tom Riker created, if the transporter is responsible for rebuilding someone out of spare parts? A transporter moves the molecules by converting them to energy then back to matter. If it's a destroy and clone process, then Thomas Riker cannot exist! If transporter technology is: Destroy being --> put being's essence/ouvre/soul into carrier beam --> rebuild being then Tom Riker cannot exist because aborting the carrier beam that became Tom Riker and having it bounce back to the planet without the "rebuild" that happens when completing a transport would have terminated his existence. If transporter technology is: Convert molecules into energy --> move energy --> convert energy back into *the same exact molecules*, and leaving the transporter sequence at any time caused the energy to convert back into matter (like having it bounce off the planet's atmosphere and head back to the surface), then Tom Riker can exist. Paint Crop Pro posted:The best Riker moment was when it is revealed on a DS9 episode that its actually Thomas Riker cause he takes off the fake side burns he's wearing to dramatic music. I love that in the 24th century the best method is still "gluing some poo poo to your face" (the ripping noises) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFWJ6DxVZc Spoeank fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/KatyBlakeyNBC5/status/1366838469427871744 Yup, it was inevitable. Can't even muster any anger over it at this point.
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Spoeank posted:By what process was Tom Riker created, if the transporter is responsible for rebuilding someone out of spare parts? A transporter moves the molecules by converting them to energy then back to matter. If it's a destroy and clone process, then Thomas Riker cannot exist! I had forgotten about Tom Riker when I watched DS9 so this scene was even funnier. I was confused as hell
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Spoeank posted:By what process was Tom Riker created, if the transporter is responsible for rebuilding someone out of spare parts? A transporter moves the molecules by converting them to energy then back to matter. If it's a destroy and clone process, then Thomas Riker cannot exist! Scenario 1 is Move Being from Place A to Place B without destroying the consciouness/soul/whatever. In that scenario, you can't get accidentally cloned, because the transporter never creates a new person from scratch. Scenario 2 is actually Destroy Being A, Create Being B, Souls Do Not Exist. In this scenario, both Tom and Will can exist, because the Transporter is capable of building a new person. This is the scenario presented in this episode. The second scenario you described doesn't permit the existence of Will, if Tom is returned to the surface.
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Clearly its a case of all of Rikers info made it to the enterprise except his sideburns and they used their magic to recreate Will on the surface. Edit: Some good content here. https://twitter.com/yeah_well_okay/status/1366559687160836096?s=19 Paint Crop Pro fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Bird in a Blender posted:People sometimes kill themselves when they lose their job. Economic anxiety is definitely a cause for some suicides. 2 high level firings and a high level employee quitting in less than two months indicates to me a dysfunctional workplace.
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Leperflesh posted:Scenario 1 is Move Being from Place A to Place B without destroying the consciouness/soul/whatever. In that scenario, you can't get accidentally cloned, because the transporter never creates a new person from scratch. by what process was Tom Riker "rebuilt" on the surface
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/KatyBlakeyNBC5/status/1366838469427871744 I have never seen a group of politicians more single-mindedly dedicated to killing the people that put them in office. In a vacuum it’s honestly kinda impressive.
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Y'all weren't kidding about Banshee being the most violent and Horny show. In the first two episodes: - three in-world sex scenes - at least a couple sex scene flashbacks - random motorcyclist shot - two gangsters and a sheriff killed in a bar fight - protagonist fighting four guys at once that were beating up some amish guys - 1.5 gangsters exploded by a bomb - gangster getting shot after hitting protagonist with a pipe - two drug dealers getting shot - teenager ODs on tainted drugs, dies - drug dealer has finger fed to boss's attack dog (onscreen) then killed by dog (offscreen)
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Isn't like half of Banshee "let's let the the stunt crew go loving buck wild and see what happens"?
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Pops Mgee posted:I kinda want to start a ds9 rewatch but some of those episodes hit a little too hard right now. I don't think I can ever watch DS9 ever again because the last episode I watched was the one where Kira stays next to her dying father figures death bed and I watched in the hospital next to my dad the night before he died Leperflesh posted:Will Riker was taken apart, and spare parts used to assemble him, on board the Enterprise. Meanwhile, he was also "sent back" to the planet's surface. This is proof that the transporter puts you together from spare parts, and if that's true, then normally it kills you first. That's inherent in the idea of putting together a person from spare parts. Point of order, it wasn't the Enterprise that happened during Will's career before he was stationed there.
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Freaquency posted:I have never seen a group of politicians more single-mindedly dedicated to killing the people that put them in office. In a vacuum it’s honestly kinda impressive. I wouldn't put this calculation past most Republican politicians, if they even bother to think about it: COVID kills lots of old people, who are big Republican supports. COVID also kills lots of black and brown people, who are bigger supporters of Democrats. Maybe COVID will kill more Democrats than Republicans and I come out on top?
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I don't know the TNG episode in question, but I do hear Tom Riker to the tune of Tom Sawyer by Rush in my head every time I read it.
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Skwirl posted:Isn't like half of Banshee "let's let the the stunt crew go loving buck wild and see what happens"? Yes
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If you guys like Banshee, check out Spartacus, the best show ever made. It’s hornier and more violent
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Unlike Banshee, Spartacus is excellently written with great characters and beautiful plot development
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Pron on VHS posted:Unlike Banshee, Spartacus is excellently written with great characters and beautiful plot development First season has Lucy Lawless. Having Lucy Lawless always makes a show better.
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Skwirl posted:First season has Lucy Lawless. Having Lucy Lawless always makes a show better. This, except me calling Lucy Lawless' husband https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpLj3ZAjvnU
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Check out this absolute beauty https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1101-Jackson-St-APT-507-Omaha-NE-68102/91927139_zpid/?utm_medium=referral
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Spoeank posted:by what process was Tom Riker "rebuilt" on the surface I don't remember any specifics about the episode and situation, if he was in a ground based transporter room or just on regular ground.
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This whole debate is basically The Prestige.
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Spoeank posted:by what process was Tom Riker "rebuilt" on the surface He wasn't (or he was) but the key is that will is rebuilt on the ship. One of them has to have been built, yeah? There's two people now. Where did the extra come from? The transporter made him. Out of what? Random crap in its matter storage bins or something. If that's what transporters do, then they're not just moving people from A to B, they're killing them at A and making new people at B. The episode also never advanced a plausible theory for where an extra soul came from, so unless transporters are gods that can forge new human souls, we have to go with the theory that there are no souls, you're just the sum of your parts.
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And don't forget Scotty basically keeping himself stuck in a loop for 75 years and then being taken safely out of the beam. Transporters are magical. And I have been convinced and am in the "they kill you" group now. But I'd still use them if they existed. Then I'd use that child reversing DNA trick to keep me at 21 forever and just beam myself back to tip top shape. Never get fat or old again.
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Spoeank posted:Check out this absolute beauty Someone in the interior design thread (I think) said that this was big divorce energy and hell, they’re not wrong
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If I had $1.5M to burn, Omaha wouldn't be on my shortlist of cities where I would buy a home
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Also replicators are transporters that make food from poo poo. This is canon from Discovery. 
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Silly Burrito posted:. Never get fat or old again. Thats the beauty if it, sb. You always were fat and old.
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iwentdoodie posted:Thats the beauty if it, sb. You always were fat and old. Hey I was young once dammit
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Freaquency posted:I have never seen a group of politicians more single-mindedly dedicated to killing the people that put them in office. In a vacuum it’s honestly kinda impressive. It's less a dedication to killing Texans and more that they value playing to a national conservative base over the lives and wellbeing of their constituents.
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This owns https://twitter.com/JimmyJazz1968/status/1366259062145314819
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