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Motronic posted:This is the problem: it's overwhelmingly likely that you are wrong about that. People have posted examples in this very thread of better sorted vans with a total purchase price of less than my mental tally of the amount of work this one needs. No they really haven't, people have linked to some auctions and poo poo, and old ambulances, and I'd bet money that they all have scragged out suspensions, and a questionable maintenance history. And Rytheric's ability to determine if one is properly sorted is about the same as his ability to do suspension work, and as shown he's not very good at bargaining. At least if he has this van fixed up by a competent shop (I know, I know this raises more issues) then he knows it's fixed and going to continue working. E: a quick perusal of Raleigh Craigslist shows a good condition, new box truck at about $25k, a questionable example from the early-mid 2000's at $13k, $11k buys a lot of suspension bits and reman transmissions. Elviscat fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Rytheric posted:Good point. If I recall it's recommend that the engine and transmission get rebuilt in about 50,000 more miles. So we will see how it goes. Actual miles or rolled back sketchy odometer miles? Honest question, should the truck even be driveable if you have land to park it on and intend to live in it? Essentially all you need from it is the engine and the box, the vehicle part of it is slowing you down. You don't have to worry about things like *checks notes* suspension, bolted-down seats, vehicle titles and insurance, transmission, being suffocated by CO/CO2 etc. In the early thread people suggested just using a boxcar and you're basically 90% there. If the box is not on a moving platform, your telescope, French doors, and most importantly you, will be safer. Hell maybe in the future you can get a proper truck for the front-end and treat the box as a trailer rather than having an all-in-one good-at-none solution like this. You're essentially inventing an RV Socratically and it kind of hurts to see it with so many missteps when RVs/trailers already exists and are easy to base your own designs off of, but the current plan appears to be "glue wheels to a house". You're building it the way you'd build a regular house, except those aren't subject to the physics of motion, and aren't heated by internal combustion engines from 25 years ago with cooling systems ready to rupture and poisonous exhaust positioned right where your fresh air should be coming from.
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Elviscat posted:At least if he has this van fixed up by a competent shop (I know, I know this raises more issues) then he knows it's fixed and going to continue working. He really doesn't, unless he's going to put more like $20k into it to do silly-level restoration things like a rebuilt motor and trans. Almost anything else at and around a $10k price point is going to be in better shape than this, and better shape than this one will be with a total of $7500k more dumped into it.
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Rytheric posted:Wow wow wow. I never said a thing about murdering someone. If you intend to use a gun as "security" for your person and property, you are proposing to escalate a conflict to a potentially lethal one. Either to you, if you're not prepared to shoot someone after displaying a gun, or to them, if you are. "Murder" as a legal definition will come down to a lot of technicalities and state-level laws etc. etc. but colloquially, yeah you are proposing to turn a minor property crime into a lethally-armed conflict and if you don't think that seems like a great idea, don't get a gun. But also don't get a gun anyway, because without a home with a gun safe in it, you can't properly secure one anyway and it's one of the most commonly stolen items there is.
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Ardemia posted:Plus, it was rare to be able to discuss which Conflict album was the best one with a customer. This rules
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Jr. posted:Actual miles or rolled back sketchy odometer miles? Appreciate all of this but like, this is "the tiny home movement" in a loving nutshell. Massively overcomplicating (and overcosting) RV living, in a way that's supposed to earn you credit for "downsizing" in a hipsterish cool back-to-fundamentals kind of way that "I live in an RV" does not. We already had names for tiny homes: "Cabins" for the immobile ones, and "trailer homes" or "RVs" for the mobile ones. Somehow inventing a new term for them made them cool.
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Motronic posted:If you can't be talked out of this you NEED to get this thing mechanically sorted FIRST. While you have somewhere to live. Then you should buy appropriate-climate camping gear and consider that to be your home. Then and only then should you start "upfitting" the interior. Oh. Yeah I did have a weight budget of 2000lbs which would have left 2000lbs for my projected geotracker. This is after the dmv reduced my registration hauling capacity to 5000lbs. I had intended on weighing my vehicle before. I will weigh it here shortly as well. I'm roughly at 1000lbs so far. I'm okay with $8K-10k repairs.
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Jr. posted:Actual miles or rolled back sketchy odometer miles? The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Hobbies, Crafts, & Houses > RyTruk: inventing an RV Socratically
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Rytheric posted:Oh. Yeah I did have a weight budget of 2000lbs which would have left 2000lbs for my projected geotracker. This is after the dmv reduced my registration hauling capacity to 5000lbs. I had intended on weighing my vehicle before. I will weigh it here shortly as well. I'm roughly at 1000lbs so far. You have a weight budget, but no materials plan. Right now you are just winging it. That's the problem I'm pointing out.
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Leperflesh posted:Appreciate all of this but like, this is "the tiny home movement" in a loving nutshell. Massively overcomplicating (and overcosting) RV living, in a way that's supposed to earn you credit for "downsizing" in a hipsterish cool back-to-fundamentals kind of way that "I live in an RV" does not. Yet there is nothing specifically wrong with tiny living. Just a lot of the justifications of it are. Just say you want to live in a tiny house and leave it at that. They don't give a poo poo about energy savings or the environment or the cost. And that's fine.
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um excuse me posted:Yet there is nothing specifically wrong with tiny living. Just a lot of the justifications of it are. Just say you want to live in a tiny house and leave it at that. They don't give a poo poo about energy savings or the environment or the cost. And that's fine. I feel you change cost to financial efficiency you can make one of those pick 2 of the three triangle things. Like you can have energy efficency, environmentally sound, or cheap. Pick two of the three.
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Rytheric posted:Wow wow wow. I never said a thing about murdering someone. You did mention buying a shotgun after having a few occurrences of people jumping into the back --- once while you were driving it, so I'm not sure how that would even help. Even if you got a gun and used it solely as a threat with no intention to use it (which is a terrible idea, as folks in Meurte's thread pointed out*), that STILL doesn't explain how you'll secure the RyTruk when you're parked and not in it. *Fake edit: yeah, what Leperflesh said while I was slowly phone typing
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Drone posted:"Look if you had just given me quantifiable numbers about how much piss I could expect down here at the bottom of this piss well, that would have worked. That was my logic. Shouting 'wtf are you doing down in that well that is slowly filling up with piss?!' isn't really a good technique of persuasion."
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tater_salad posted:That's the failure point one of the coolant lines will break / pop before something else fails, it's very confusing if you ask me. It's also really not cool for the environment to be dumping glycol and other chemicals all over it but know what.. at least when the engine is off / breaks it wont make noise. It just means that he can't be bothered to fix it properly. It falls apart regularly but is fairly easy to put back together. Calling it a "controlled failure point" makes it sound like he planned for it to work that way.
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Jr. posted:
I understand the new found tone of the thread but to put this into context the "house" he's building on wheels isn't even close to what an RV provides. For example, this gentleman's sleeping quarters dimensions can best be described as the width of two unbuilt timber framed portashitters. Should he throw a shed roof off of those conjoined cess pits, that is where you'll find the ghost of a sawn off 50 gallon drum, screening blowing in the breeze, and raccoons feasting on fried chicken bones.
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Leperflesh posted:If you intend to use a gun as "security" for your person and property, you are proposing to escalate a conflict to a potentially lethal one. Either to you, if you're not prepared to shoot someone after displaying a gun, or to them, if you are. "Murder" as a legal definition will come down to a lot of technicalities and state-level laws etc. etc. but colloquially, yeah you are proposing to turn a minor property crime into a lethally-armed conflict and if you don't think that seems like a great idea, don't get a gun. JacquelineDempsey posted:You did mention buying a shotgun after having a few occurrences of people jumping into the back --- once while you were driving it, so I'm not sure how that would even help. Yeah. Im not going to discuss this topic further specifically not with anyone really except the police officers in my life.
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Rytheric posted:Wow wow wow. I never said a thing about murdering someone. Rytheric posted:The only thing I have a collection of is 6 months of huel I saved up using my stimulus money. I have been thinking of buying a mosenberg 590m magazine fed pump action shot gun. Reason being, I've had a lot of random people just randomly try to climbing into the back my box truck only to realize I'm in it eating pizza or something.
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Rytheric posted:except the police officers in my life. Who are now outside the truck demanding you come out with your hands on your head?
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Rytheric posted:Yeah. Im not going to discuss this topic further specifically not with anyone really except the police officers in my life. As someone who has/does/will continue to deal with this as part of work both here in the states and abroad, no. Talk with an actual lawyer who knows this area of the law, not the cops. You don't want actual advice from those of us that deal with it all the time, fine. But goddamn do not talk to cops for legal advice unless you're dying to go to prison. They don't know the law.
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Rytheric posted:Yeah. Im not going to discuss this topic further specifically not with anyone really except the police officers in my life. Dude, I'm not even asking about the gun; I've asked 3 times now (and civilly, I think) on what your plan is for keeping the Truk safely locked when you're not around. Just answer that, please.
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Oh, and don't shoot some dumb bastard over petty theft, I thought that goes without saying but here we are.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Dude, I'm not even asking about the gun; I've asked 3 times now (and civilly, I think) on what your plan is for keeping the Truk safely locked when you're not around. Just answer that, please. Just the typical lock on the door and not having much to steal of value inside it anyway.
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It seems to me that one person may already have died as a consequence of you not having a rear door on your truck. We don’t know because you didn’t stop and check after he “rolled into traffic” What were you ready to do with that framing hammer?
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Rytheric posted:Yeah. Im not going to discuss this topic further specifically not with anyone really except the police officers in my life. Yeah, I'm going to echo PathAsc on this one: PathAsc posted:But goddamn do not talk to cops for legal advice unless you're dying to go to prison. They don't know the law. Miranda Rights exist for a reason, and that reason is because cops can and will haul you in and look for a confession to close a case, and have no qualms doing that at 4AM in the morning while you are groggy and not in your right mind. Any 1L worth their salt will tell you that murder is not something you intend to do, but a legal definition that is determined in a court of law. Thanks to federalism and 50 different states, those definitions can have a wide range of exceptions and addendums. If you want a gun to protect your property, that is your choice. You just have to be willing to face the consequences that come from owning one while living in a truck.
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Never talk to cops. I forgot about this part of the sags. never own a firearm in your vehicle that you can't actually secure it in any reasonable fashion to keep it from getting stolen. Please don't arm yourselfto shoot at people who jumped in the back of your vehicle with no door in the back. Please do have a door in the back.
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Hey maybe you should just put a loving locking door on the box itself. Perhaps you could put it where the locking door used to be
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Bogus Adventure posted:If you want a gun to protect your property, that is your choice. You just have to be willing to face the consequences that come from owning one while living in a truck. I dont care much about the value of my property. I only care about the ability to defend myself. But your point still stands.
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Rytheric posted:Just the typical lock on the door and not having much to steal of value inside it anyway. Valuables like a gun?
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KitConstantine posted:Valuables like a gun? And I guess a $2000 telescope lol.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, I'm going to echo PathAsc on this one: Even if the cops go "COOL GOOD SHOOT WOO" and gently caress off that means not a drat thing if you get tied up in the legal system by whomever you shot/their family/etc. So yeah, again. Lawyer.
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As a gun owner, please for the love of god do not buy a gun - especially not on the advice of cops. If you drop into TFR the regulars there will explain to you in great detail why the first step to self defense is to ensure you're never in a situation where you'd need one and the second one is to be willing and ready to shoot first if literally everything else you've put into place to ensure that you don't need a gun has failed. And I don't think you're on top of either of those things. E: in fact I know you're not because the first step to ensuring you don't need a gun is to put secure, locking doors on your van. corgski fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Rytheric posted:I dont care much about the value of my property. I only care about the ability to defend myself. But your point still stands. What were you prepared to do with that framing hammer? What was the homeless person doing that made you feel that this response was justified?
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Like, I can just imagine that RyTruk is a cop's wet dream ideal of "reasonable suspicion."
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Danknificent posted:It’s potentially constructive to offer achievable suggestions toward making *his* vision of cool guy homelessness less bonkers/perilous. quote:The XY problem is asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem. This leads to enormous amounts of wasted time and energy, both on the part of people asking for help, and on the part of those providing help.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, I'm going to echo PathAsc on this one: to further add to this heien v north carolina established that ignorance of the law is completely 100% an excuse if you are a cop so yeah dont trust cops about the law ever and ESPECIALLY not in north carolina
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Rytheric posted:My main problem is that I've generally not had time to cook. I use to cook in college. If you have time to cut wood with a chisel and build a fire pit in the back of a box truck, you have time to chop up fresh food and throw it in a frying pan. I'm pointing this out because you have a bad habit of justifying poor decisions by saying you didn't have the time or money to do it any better, even though you end up spending more time and money cleaning up after the bad decision than if you'd just taken the good option in the first place.
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Rytheric posted:Just the typical lock on the door and not having much to steal of value inside it anyway. Yep, just a typical lock on a goddamn screen door and nothing of value except a telescope that's worth more than the vehicle. Plus all your worldly possessions, since you plan to live out of it. I tried to be helpful based on my experience while avoiding peak snarkiness, but I don't think think I can do it. Good luck, my friend, I sincerely wish you well, but your inability to respond in a meaningful way to the myriad issues brought up by goons with way more experience and foresight is giving me agita.
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Here, have the relevant part of the Newbie Questions thread OP about guns for self defense and why just about any other option is preferable.poopgiggle posted:Self protection - First off, before you start trying to pick a gun for self defense, you need to understand the law governing use of lethal force in your state. Any use of (including brandishing) a firearm, or anything that looks like a firearm, is lethal force. I highly recommend the book The Law of Self Defense by Andrew Branca. You also need to understand that, if you shoot at someone, it is entirely possible that you've conducted yourself 100% morally and lawfully and yet you will still go to prison, and/or go bankrupt from legal fees. It is also possible to cross the line and conduct yourself unlawfully and/or immorally, which will be a tragedy even if you don't face legal or financial consequences. Therefore, it should be understood that shooting (or even pointing) a gun at a person is your last resort. I strongly encourage you to invest in some quality OC spray, as well as some quality training related to verbal deescalation skills and empty-handed self defense skills. Having options other than lethal force is an Unquestionably Good Thing.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Yep, just a typical lock on a goddamn screen door and nothing of value except a telescope that's worth more than the vehicle. Plus all your worldly possessions, since you plan to live out of it. If someone want to get in my vehicle and isn't deterred by a lock. They are going to. These things a hilariously easy to break into and steal. I lost the keys to the truck and took me less than 5 minutes to change out the cylinders. This is a mid-90s vehicle a french-man trying to escape godzilla would run straight to my box truck and take off.
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corgski posted:Here, have the relevant part of the Newbie Questions thread OP about guns for self defense and why just about any other option is preferable. This, so very much this. De-escalation is paramount, and believe it or not it's the best option every time with what we're discussing.
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