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Apraxin posted:Well, at least we're finally loving done with Brex- gently caress it, looks like i'm going to experience Troubles 2.0 as if the 1.0 wasn't bad enough. 
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OwlFancier posted:What the hell is the "large immobile gamete" thing from? I keep hearing it and I have no idea what it means unless you are a big egg and parliament lost the majority of its high profile eggs in the corbyn years. This works for things like explaining why male seahorses can get pregnant or how pine trees can have both dongers and lady parts, but is pretty much worse than useless for explaining any human interaction outside of the one immediate case where you want a babby form, not even any of the recreational stuff preceding that. So of course they latched onto it like gospel truth and want large immobile gamete toilets.
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OwlFancier posted:a big egg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr9kHiwrYEQ
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Private Speech posted:Is that even a presumption when he's been ruled not guilty? Excepting that one not proven charge obviously. With Salmond (as with everyone charged of a crime in a common law jurisdiction) he does enjoy a presumption of innocence. However he chose to give evidence, and even in his own words he admitted to doing certain things. Now it's very self serving his admissions (I think he described it as a "sleepy cuddle") And you could easily read his admissions as ones indicating the truth being far worse than what he admitted to. But unlike someone charged with a crime, found not guilty and the evidence supports the notion that no crime ever happened, Salmond's situation sounds very much like stuff did happen. And rather then see that he got lucky and should slink away from public life, Salmond has doubled down and accused there of being a conspiracy against himself organised by his political enemies and  Sturgeon is right that at no point has Salmond expressed remorse for the hurt he has caused. Not even the "sorry I got caught" type.
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Guavanaut posted:The "biological sex is simple I studied it at GCSE" lot googled the definitions of male and female and found out that one of the ones used for reproduction is that males have small mobile gametes and females have large immobile gametes. I would wager that I can throw an egg a lot further than I can throw sperm.
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Apraxin posted:Well, at least we're finally loving done with Brex- Wait a minute. The Government that said it would break International Law in a specific way has gone and reneged on the agreement it entered into? Who could have predicted this? 
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OwlFancier posted:I would wager that I can throw an egg a lot further than I can throw sperm.
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The Question IRL posted:With Salmond (as with everyone charged of a crime in a common law jurisdiction) he does enjoy a presumption of innocence. And is any of this covered in the press? No, because it's "Sturgeon bad", in an attempt to assassinate her political career to derail independence.
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Guavanaut posted:I'm glad that Easter is canceled this year. The annual Easter jizz roll always helped the community come together. E: also the farthest an egg has been thrown without breaking is 323ft, which is kind of mind boggling, nearly a pitch length Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Kin posted:And is any of this covered in the press? No, because it's "Sturgeon bad", in an attempt to assassinate her political career to derail independence. It depends on which media you view it through. The British media is going with a pro-Salmond view because they need to get rid of that Troublesome Scott who is trying to break apart the Union. Most International media's report are "Salmond who was found Not Guilty by a jury, but admitted to having a sleepy cuddle" is journalist code for "he was acquited, but this is the type of guy he is."
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Failed Imagineer posted:The annual Easter jizz roll always helped the community come together. Is that record still held by Gary Lineker?
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"sleepy cuddle" will haunt my nightmares
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Kin posted:And is any of this covered in the press? No, because it's "Sturgeon bad", in an attempt to assassinate her political career to derail independence. Does the SNP have a plan for if she falls or is she going to do what the left in the rUK did when Corbyn got the boot? You know, just kind of fall down dead? Also if she survives she knows she's gotta stick the knife in right? edit: ok I guess what I should have asked was 'is she actually in any danger of getting the boot?' or is this just wishful thinking by the press? Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Kin posted:And is any of this covered in the press? No, because it's "Sturgeon bad", in an attempt to assassinate her political career to derail independence. Framing it as "Sturgeon did nothing wrong" is also kinda misleading, given that she met with a "not proven" sex crime doer to talk about his "not proven" sex crimes and then lied to parliament about it. Which seems pretty bad?
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Guavanaut posted:The "biological sex is simple I studied it at GCSE" lot googled the definitions of male and female and found out that one of the ones used for reproduction is that males have small mobile gametes and females have large immobile gametes. If any TERF ever takes biology 201 and learns about protoandry/-gyny we are going to see so many angry Twitter posts about fish bathrooms.
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Niric posted:Framing it as "Sturgeon did nothing wrong" is also kinda misleading, given that she met with a "not proven" sex crime doer to talk about his "not proven" sex crimes and then lied to parliament about it. Which seems pretty bad? Which is why the newspapers are doing it because deliberate obfuscation of context makes it seem much worse than it actually is.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Is that record still held by Gary Lineker? I don't know enough about Gary Linekers jizz, sorry
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This would have been every train if Corbyn got elected  https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1367130535852662792?s=20
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Kin posted:Which is why the newspapers are doing it because deliberate obfuscation of context makes it seem much worse than it actually is. Why is lying to parliament about meeting someone accused of sex crimes to talk about those sex crimes not actually a bad thing to do?
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Niric posted:Why is lying to parliament about meeting someone accused of sex crimes to talk about those sex crimes not actually a bad thing to do? There's bad and then there's resignation bad. When it comes to Sturgeon the press seem to have conveniently forgotten the standard they've established with the tories aka killing 150,000 people is fine, actually
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Niric posted:Framing it as "Sturgeon did nothing wrong" is also kinda misleading, given that she met with a "not proven" sex crime doer to talk about his "not proven" sex crimes and then lied to parliament about it. Which seems pretty bad? Isn't it more nuanced than that? My understanding of the issue was (and I might be totally wrong here, so do correct me if so): Sturgeon meets with an aide of Salmond in her office in parliament, and according to her, he mentions that Salmond is on the verge of quitting the SNP over allegations against him. A few days later, Sturgeon meets with Salmond in her house and he discusses the allegations with her. She claims that in this meeting Salmond asked her to interfere in the enquiry, which she refused to do. Neither meeting was recorded or disclosed at the time. Later, news of the meeting at Sturgeon's house is uncovered. Sturgeon at the time tells parliament that this meeting was the first she had learned of the nature and seriousness of the allegations. She maintains that she met Salmond in her capacity as the leader of the SNP, not as First Minister, so as internal party business, there was no requirement to disclose. Later still, news of the first meeting with the aide comes out. Here the issue is that it suggests Sturgeon lied that the first she learned about the allegations was in her meeting with Salmond (which is where the lying to parliament claim comes from), and also, because the meeting was in her office, it should have been recorded and disclosed. Sturgeon's answer to this is that the shock of the meeting at her home, both in what Salmond had done and what he was asking her to do, was so significant that she forgot the meeting with Salmond's aide. As to why it wasn't recorded, Sturgeon claims that it was not a formal meeting, the aide just showed up at parliament and they spoke only briefly, not for a sufficient length of time for her to have considered it anything more than a brief encounter where a message that she took as essentially "Alex wants to speak to you, he's very upset" was delivered, and so it did not rise to the level of a meeting that required disclosure. Reveilled fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:I'm glad that Easter is canceled this year.
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Last Easter was the greatest Easter ever. The first lockdown had just started, Tesco was deserted, and I bought four huge Lindor Easter eggs on Easter Monday for £2 each. My only regret is that I didn't buy more.
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Flayer posted:I think it's incredibly dangerous to treat any "not guilty" verdict as anything other than innocent. Otherwise we might as well just have a Japanese system with a 99% conviction rate where being hauled in front of a judge is basically an automatic presumption of guilt regardless of evidence. oh, is that what the cardassian legal system in deep space nine was based on anyway, I think it's possible to recognise the difficulty in convicting sexual assault charges without completely switching to that system. Like, if we say that not being found guilty means that Salmond is definitely innocent then we start opening up the possibility of saying his accusers are definitely lying, which is a bad road to go down (which of course a bunch of the unholy alliance of Wings-reading online chuds have already leant heavily into). like yeah, it's not feasible to actually do anything against a person who's been found not guilty, but like... it doesn't mean he definitely didn't do the specific bad things
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Niric posted:Why is lying to parliament about meeting someone accused of sex crimes to talk about those sex crimes not actually a bad thing to do? basically the UK government has been undermining any kind of ministerial responsibility for so long that its now passing over to the SNP too. nicola obviously isnt gonna resign since nobody with any clout in the UK government resigns over anything now and she can just go "well HE didn't resign" at any number of ministers in westminster. we're basically seeing this stuff corrode away any sense of responsibility any UK government has in real time she does have some sorta reality distortion field of her own going on though, scotlands covid response has been complete poo poo but shes escaped utterly unscathed and with compliments so far
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Angepain posted:like yeah, it's not feasible to actually do anything against a person who's been found not guilty, but like... it doesn't mean he definitely didn't do the specific bad things There's a whole wide gulf between provable guilt to criminal standards and someone being a good person, and the big hazard there is that absent a rigorous standard of evidence people will let their own prejudices slide in, like "they're gay/Muslim/Scottish so..." which is bad, but the solution to that is to educate against those prejudices rather than either extreme of demanding weaker evidentiary standards or accepting courts as the only arbiters of any and all guilt, criminal and social.
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e: ^ you stole my example, from the past  Angepain posted:oh, is that what the cardassian legal system in deep space nine was based on To take a legalistic example, it sometimes happens that someone will be found not guilty in criminal proceedings ("beyond reasonable doubt") but then successfully sued in the civil courts ("balance of probability", i.e., more likely than not). There's not enough evidence to justify the complete denial of liberty, but enough to say "they probably did it so they've got to pay damages". To take a less legalistic example, if someone was found not guilty of a dozen independent child sex offences, I'm not going to hire them as a babysitter. If someone gets accused of abusing their partners, it's absolutely right to believe the victims, and exclude probable abusers from settings where they can cause harm. It doesn't translate into criminal justice, because the complete denial of liberty is a big loving deal and should not be done unless it's all but certain (if then  ), but the fact of the matter is that domestic abuse and sexual offences are incredibly hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt because they happen behind closed doors, and that does not mean that we should tell victims to just deal with it.
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Communist Thoughts posted:scotlands covid response has been complete poo poo Care to expand on this? A quick google of "scotland poor covid response" seems to come back with positive indicators for the approach taken up here.
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The Perfect Element posted:Last Easter was the greatest Easter ever. The first lockdown had just started, Tesco was deserted, and I bought four huge Lindor Easter eggs on Easter Monday for £2 each. My only regret is that I didn't buy more. yep 
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Scotland's covid response has been pretty poo poo but still a bit less poo poo than England, which is often mistaken for being actually good. see also, everything else about Scotland
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Kin posted:Care to expand on this? scotland has more deaths per case than england and did the same thing with letting care homes take it on the chin there was also that 2 week period where people were dying of covid but sturgeon was telling everyone how relieved she was that nobody was dying in scotland (which i think was actually not her lying, just misinformed) adjusting for population scotland has similar rates of infection and deaths as england, though less overall deaths despite a worse rate of deaths to cases but sturgeons messaging has always looked competent, even if every time shes just announcing bojo's measures anyway, and thats what seems to count for the media
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Can't believe people are exciting about buying boxes which are about 20% chocolate in them by weight. Absolute scam, just buy mini or creme eggs or thin chocolate sheets.Kin posted:Care to expand on this? They're still part of the UK (for now.....) https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart...1&values=deaths namesake fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 3, 2021 |
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namesake posted:Can't believe people are exciting about buying boxes which are about 20% chocolate in them by weight. Absolute scam, just buy mini or creme eggs or thin chocolate sheets. That's why you wait til it's about £10/kg or less, then you strike
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That's why you only buy them when they're 20% price too. E: ^ 
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namesake posted:Can't believe people are exciting about buying boxes which are about 20% chocolate in them by weight. Absolute scam, just buy mini or creme eggs or thin chocolate sheets. There is other reasons to buy Easter Eggs. Like the calibre of chocolate. For instance if you want to eat Cadbury's chocolate, you can buy a bar of it. But it will contain wheat or traces of wheat because of the manufacturing conditions. Where as the Cadbury's egg is made of the same chocolate but doesn't have wheat or traces of it. (Must be made in a different factory.) So if you are a Coeliac this is a big deal.
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Ewan posted:I'm honestly curious to hear what Starmer's response to all of this is going to be. the lrb pointed out the US stimulus, scaled down to UK size, would be £200bn. rishi is promising a much less adequate amount even if you include furlough and terrific ideas like eat out to help out one option open to starmer is to say it's not a big package and we should be borrowing a lot more rather than raising taxes. another is to say we should be being bolder and going further without going into specifics. but realistically i dont think 10% care what labour's response is
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Oh gently caress I could sell .303 caliber chocolate to commemorate war christmas. Full of caramel with a primer made of pop rocks.
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