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It's probably a combination of all of these. On one front, the Arrow/CWverse is long in the tooth and there's a lot of it.They probably want to create the next phase of it around a new flagship show and a new visual palette and tone for it. Superman and Lois is not built around the workplace/team cop show in a scifi HQ structure of the other CW shows. Also, viewing has changed since Arrow came up, so a lot of the newer shows will likely be made to be more streaming-friendly with stronger productions values since they have to become attractive catalogue titles for HBO Max.
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Rhyno posted:Did we get an official episode count for this season? 15 episodes, apparently.
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Skwirl posted:HBOMax is owned by Warner Brothers, as is DC Comics, Netflix probably has a bunch of outstanding contracts for CW shows, but new poo poo like Superman & Lois probably isn't showing up there yeah, CW's longstanding Netflix deal expired after the 2018-2019 TV season. New seasons of CW shows that premiered that season and earlier still go to Netflix under the terms of that deal, but the rest have had their streaming rights handled on a case-by-case basis depending on whether CBS and/or WB owns them, with (afaik) most going to HBO Max for obvious reasons
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Just finished the episode as it went out about 15 minutes early tonight. Seems they've set up Wanda as potentially the next big bad. Probably at least of the next Dr Strange film. Definitely getting some House of M vibes in the post credit sequence. Also I know it won't be a popular opinion but I'm so relieved Evan Peters was in fact not Quicksilver. Nothing against him and maybe they could have made it work but I'm glad for now the Fox movies aren't being dragged into this.
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X-O posted:Just finished the episode as it went out about 15 minutes early tonight. Seems they've set up Wanda as potentially the next big bad. Probably at least of the next Dr Strange film. Definitely getting some House of M vibes in the post credit sequence. Also I know it won't be a popular opinion but I'm so relieved Evan Peters was in fact not Quicksilver. Nothing against him and maybe they could have made it work but I'm glad for now the Fox movies aren't being dragged into this. I don't think that's it at all yes she's reading the Darkhold, but what that scene was about is her hearing her kids are out there, somewhere, and they need her help
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twistedmentat posted:I don't think that's it at all yes she's reading the Darkhold, but what that scene was about is her hearing her kids are out there, somewhere, and they need her help Uh, the whole thing with the Darkhold is that it corrupts the souls of those who read it.
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Did the Darkhold look different than in AoS? Not that it matters — just curious and can’t remember
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omg chael crash posted:Did the Darkhold look different than in AoS? Not that it matters — just curious and can’t remember Yes. Considerably so.
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omg chael crash posted:Did the Darkhold look different than in AoS? Not that it matters — just curious and can’t remember It absolutely did.
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I don't necessarily think Wanda is going big evil, but I do think that she's not done causing trouble, even if that trouble is as simple as blasting open the doors to the Sanctum and demanding some help in finding her boys in the multiverse Really curious to see what Vision 2.0 does in the long run. There's some potential for bringing Ultron back there, or maybe bringing in some new AI-based characters depending on how it hashes out. If George Perez watched this, I bet he's pleased with how this episode turned out OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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omg chael crash posted:Did the Darkhold look different than in AoS? Not that it matters — just curious and can’t remember   looked like Assepoester fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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Mid credit and post credit scene for Wandavision this week, in case anybody wasn't checking.
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I like how the presence of the Darkhold simultaneously confirms AoS as canon and throws it under the bus as not canon. Personally I'll go with canon because it's more fun to think that and many comics have huge gaping continuity gaps and visual inconsistencies between them anyway.
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I appreciate that Bettany kinda wasn't lying when he said he had great chemistry with himself.
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Agatha got dealt with pretty harshly I thought, given her crimes were essentially the same as Wanda's but much smaller in scale. They've definitely left room for her to be back at least.
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X-O posted:Uh, the whole thing with the Darkhold is that it corrupts the souls of those who read it. Oh? So Raimi's going to recreate the infamous Spidey 3 scene, but with Elisabeth Olsen?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Agatha got dealt with pretty harshly I thought, given her crimes were essentially the same as Wanda's but much smaller in scale. They've definitely left room for her to be back at least. I mean I guess she killed her coven too but there's got to be a statute of limitations on that. edit: Oh wait I forgot she killed Sparky too. Yeah burn her. 
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There was a cool Raimi reference in this episode, which I appreciated - Oz the great powerful briefly appearing on the cinema.
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I loved the bit where Vision logic loop'd white Vision into just leaving. Always a fan of when superheroes do something other than punch their problems. Immediately when WV said "I am to destroy The Vision" I said "You are The Vision." so when the story addressed that I was into it. Wanda's new Scarlet Witch look rules. Shame she's going all the way off the deep end. Stephen is not going to be happy about any of this. Any idea when we'll next see Monica? Does Nick Fury have upcoming projects? Captain Marvel 2 is gonna be about Kamala isn't it? Good finale. I think the folks who worked their selves into a shoot on how much it was going to do with mutants or the F4 or confirming the Fox universe might be disappointed, but not me. Bring on Falcon/Bucky.
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tbh i half expected the post credits scene to be wanda training with strange. was weird that white vision got his memories back and then just hosed off for the rest of the episode the saying goodbye scene was suitably sappy, and i guess we all knew it was gonna happen but then having wanda just walk away felt like a lovely resolution, i kinda thought they might have her turn herself in to monica (who i also expected them to promote to head of sword at the end with heyward arrested) sad that they didn't have a little mt. wundagore location label on the post credits scene at least they left open the potential for agatha to return in multiverse of madness maybe we'll see babyhands pandamonium too i guess site fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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WandaVision finale wasn't bad, but I can't say it stuck the landing: -Agatha/Wanda witches' duel consisting mostly of them shooting CG lasers and energy blasts at each other, even though the MCU has already created a much more interesting visual language for magic -weirdly abrupt resolution for the SWORD characters (granted, I didn't find them very interesting anyway so it feels weird to complain about the finale giving less screen time to the weakest aspect of the series, but it felt like a couple scenes were cut out here) -the finale takes pains to make clear that Wanda really has hurt people and is responsible for it, but she doesn't actually do much of anything in the way of taking accountability for her actions, she just flies away while feeling bad about it -the one thing I most wanted to happen in the finale, the twins being aged up, didn't happen. yes, the end credits scene confirms they're still alive as kids, but that still leaves a lot of questions for me about how they'll be handled going forward given the franchise's less than stellar record of LGBT representation can't help but think how, had COVID not screwed up the schedule, Doctor Strange 2 would be opening only a few months or so after the WV finale instead of a fuckin' year. sigh
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i know there only so much time but it was kinda lame how little we got of darcy and monica in the last couple episodes. i mean darcy literally was in this episode for 5 whole seconds
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drat, Wanda really fate-worse-than-death'd Agatha. Savage.
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I giggled at the Tannhauser Gate reference.
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There are TWO post credit scens. One after the tv screen and the second after the english scrolling credits. edit: thoughts on finale Kind of low key ending, Vision and the kids are hexed away, we find out Pietro was Ralph but enchanted, everyone in town hates Wanda for what they did to her. There were also a few cuts that really took me out of the viewing experience, I guess to keep things from being too violent? The biggest was when the car slammed into Agatha, you don't see the hit. Just the car starting to move and then the car smashing into the house, I don't think it was to set up the wizard of oz joke, either. There was another where the Visions crater into the ground, but it goes from them flying at the ground to them emerging from the crater, I think there was a third too, but I'm not sure. It wasn't a very satisfying wrap up, I didn't hate it though. Very surprised there was no Dr Strange cameo.
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lmao they made Scarlet Witch Anung Un Rama
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MacheteZombie posted:I giggled at the Tannhauser Gate reference. Yeah same, esp with where it lead to
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Oh that's easy. Wanda retrieves their souls from Limbo where they aged up, and hey meet our new Russian friend we found there...
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Karloff posted:There was a cool Raimi reference in this episode, which I appreciated - Oz the great powerful briefly appearing on the cinema. I like that they're setting up an upcoming Sam Raimi movie with a scene of a zoom into a cabin in the middle of nowhere where someone is reading a demonic book. That had to be on purpose.
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Gavok posted:I like that they're setting up an upcoming Sam Raimi movie with a scene of a zoom into a cabin in the middle of nowhere where someone is reading a demonic book. Also when the magic barrier is collapsing there’s a shot where it’s winding through the street towards the house that immediately made me think of that as well.
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Soonmot posted:The biggest was when the car slammed into Agatha, you don't see the hit. Just the car starting to move and then the car smashing into the house, I don't think it was to set up the wizard of oz joke, either. That series of shots looked so bad that I'm 99% sure it was caused by a production issue. There's no way they edited it like that willingly.
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JordanKai posted:That series of shots looked so bad that I'm 99% sure it was caused by a production issue. There's no way they edited it like that willingly. yeah that stood out even on first watch as really bad editing. not sure about that rationale, though, I've seen some poor editing in Marvel Studios films before
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Aphrodite posted:Oh that's easy. Wanda retrieves their souls from Limbo where they aged up, and hey meet our new Russian friend we found there... It's a setup to Dr. Strange, so there's no way they're not in Nightmare World. Obviously Wanda's big mistake was putting them to bed before letting their souls get cut loose.
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took me a minute to pin it down but now that i recognize it it's funny that luthor in S&L is wearing the doom slayer armor
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One thing that may have been too subtle on WandaVision was Monica figuring out Ralph's beads were the key to Agatha's spell. I had to watch it 3 times to get that she's using her Spectrum powers to see the energy.
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site posted:i know there only so much time but it was kinda lame how little we got of darcy and monica in the last couple episodes. i mean darcy literally was in this episode for 5 whole seconds re:Darcy in particular, I think there must have been some issue with Kat Dennings' availability during the part of filming that was done during COVID. hard to see why else she'd have only been in like one shot of the entire episode; there's even a line of dialogue in the mid-credits scene where she should be present that attempts to handwave away her absence
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My issue issue is, in the comics, Agatha Harkness was never a villain.
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Skwirl posted:My issue issue is, in the comics, Agatha Harkness was never a villain. In a similar out of the comics problem, my brother messaged me this morning angry that a lot of the big fight was just shooting magic beams at each other. I get that complaint for Agatha, but shooting magic beams is literally Scarlet Witch's original and primary superpower, right? She shoots hex bolts. It's never been especially well defined what those are exactly, but one thing's for sure, they're her specialty. It feels like he's mad that all these Cyclops fights keep using eye lasers.
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It's kinda like the complaint that all MCU villains are dark mirrors of the hero, but like... basically every superhero has one of those for a reason, and most of them are major parts of their rogues' galleries.
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