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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Honestly Glenn is just the Vitamin P of journalism.

e: gently caress you this is a terrible snipe you get nothing

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jose posted:

no its not. yeah its a very right wing site but this hyperbole doesn't help anyone

It's got an entire Wikipedia section on its ties to white supremacists, and Carlson isn't exactly covert about his views. The gently caress are you going on about?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gonzo McFee posted:

I think Glenn just has the kind of brain you get when you're the Owen Jones of Brazil and the actual government goes after you. It's not healthy.

That doesn't explain the racism, though. If anything, it does the opposite.

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Jose posted:

no its not. yeah its a very right wing site but this hyperbole doesn't help anyone

Ah cool so it's okay then that he gave an interview with a very right wing site, that has repeatedly and consistently hosted the opinions of white supremacists, because you have decided that doesn't make then white supremacists.

It's loving weird how much you're defending the guy.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
someone should get their white house press pass pulled then

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

Jose posted:

someone should get their white house press pass pulled then

Since when has the US government given a poo poo about white supremacism? That still doesn't stop Glenn being a loving brain spidered dingus, unable to see anything organic in BLM because he's myopically obsessed with "journalism".

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Mar 5, 2021

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Another reason the Daily Caller is a nazi website is that they just ran an interview with Glenn Greenwald, a Strasserite Nazi.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Comrade Fakename posted:

Another reason the Daily Caller is a nazi website is that they just ran an interview with Glenn Greenwald, a Strasserite Nazi.

ok so you admit you're a big torture fan

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jose posted:

someone should get their white house press pass pulled then

I mean, yeah? Since when were you under the impression that being an open white supremacist who paraphrases the Fourteen Words on air would prevent you from getting a White House press pass?

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

Comrade Fakename posted:

Another reason the Daily Caller is a nazi website is that they just ran an interview with Glenn Greenwald, a Strasserite Nazi.

I mean I can totally believe that Greenwald has gone far enough off the deep end that he's fash now, but he does at least have past of standing up to Bolsonaro so I'd like to see some evidence of that, preferably not in the form of a video clip.

Your argument at this point is that he's fash because he has joined a fash show, and the show is fash because he's joined it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I mean on the one hand, this is Jose being Jose as usual and the normal etiquette would be to ignore and move on, but on the other hand, this is starting to push really close to literal fascist apologia.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
kieth is more demonstrably fascist than glenn greenwald and working to elect him is a bad look

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Scikar posted:

I mean I can totally believe that Greenwald has gone far enough off the deep end that he's fash now, but he does at least have past of standing up to Bolsonaro so I'd like to see some evidence of that, preferably not in the form of a video clip.

Your argument at this point is that he's fash because he has joined a fash show, and the show is fash because he's joined it.

You could always just read the Wikipedia article on the Daily Caller. They're a fash site led by a fascist.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

Jose posted:

kieth is more demonstrably fascist than glenn greenwald and working to elect him is a bad look

And? Hitler was more fasc than Mussolini. Doesn't mean that they both weren't fasc.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Jose posted:

kieth is more demonstrably fascist than glenn greenwald and working to elect him is a bad look

glen greenwald sucks loving rear end

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?


Sorry, I meant more about Greenwald turning fash rather than the show being such. It's like when he started regularly appearing on Fox instead of blanking them, because he believed he could somehow counteract their propaganda. It's weird and dumb, but not proof in itself that he's now fash.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Darth Walrus posted:

I mean on the one hand, this is Jose being Jose as usual and the normal etiquette would be to ignore and move on, but on the other hand, this is starting to push really close to literal fascist apologia.

you can't put mods on ignore, ask me how I know

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Some guy in falmouth saw a "superior mirage".



https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Jose posted:

ok so you admit you're a big torture fan

i guess in much the same way you're a big fan of transphobia

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




I had been avoiding the UKMT thread for a bit because jesus christ politics. I see not much has changed lol. 'You're a fash' 'no YOU'RE a fash' 'well you're probably a TERF or something IDK'

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Scikar posted:

Sorry, I meant more about Greenwald turning fash rather than the show being such. It's like when he started regularly appearing on Fox instead of blanking them, because he believed he could somehow counteract their propaganda. It's weird and dumb, but not proof in itself that he's now fash.

He's not exactly working to counteract the Caller's propaganda, though.

https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1367286172347736066?s=21

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Scikar posted:

Sorry, I meant more about Greenwald turning fash rather than the show being such. It's like when he started regularly appearing on Fox instead of blanking them, because he believed he could somehow counteract their propaganda. It's weird and dumb, but not proof in itself that he's now fash.

This is a good, reasoned response where I can tell what the poster is talking about.

Jose posted:

ok so you admit you're a big torture fan

This is not.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Awesome, another debate about the political alignment and loyalties of Glenn Greenwald, I haven't seen enough of these online lately.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Aramoro posted:

I had been avoiding the UKMT thread for a bit because jesus christ politics. I see not much has changed lol. 'You're a fash' 'no YOU'RE a fash' 'well you're probably a TERF or something IDK'

GG is definitely either a terf or terf adjacent; retweeting literal conspiracy theories about trans people replacing lesbians is a pretty big "yikes" moment, let alone his defence of a book and terfy author that argues the same poo poo

the dude sucks rear end

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


In lighter news, the fudge is here and the apple pie fudge is intensely good.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Aramoro posted:

I had been avoiding the UKMT thread for a bit because jesus christ politics. I see not much has changed lol. 'You're a fash' 'no YOU'RE a fash' 'well you're probably a TERF or something IDK'

:same:

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

Darth Walrus posted:

He's not exactly working to counteract the Caller's propaganda, though.

That's their tweet though, like the whole reason it's a dumb idea is because obviously they will just chop up anything he says and edit it to support more of their propaganda, now with a thin veneer of 'balance'.

The outcome is pretty much the same, and Greenwald sucks so I don't really care enough to do my own digging into everything he's said recently. But I still think we should differentiate between "marketplace of ideas" idiots who play the game thinking they can win, and the actual fash like Bannon, Breitbart who are actively pushing the fash side and would continue to do so if they were in a vacuum.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jose posted:

kieth is more demonstrably fascist than glenn greenwald and working to elect him is a bad look
This thread of course famously pro-Starmer.

IllusionistTrixie
Feb 6, 2003

Gorn Myson posted:

Awesome, another debate about the political alignment and loyalties of Glenn Greenwald, I haven't seen enough of these online lately.

I don't know why we had this the last time, and I still don't know why we give a flying gently caress now. It's like posting that video of Tucker Carlson chasing a guy in the street. Why? Who cares?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Scikar posted:

That's their tweet though, like the whole reason it's a dumb idea is because obviously they will just chop up anything he says and edit it to support more of their propaganda, now with a thin veneer of 'balance'.

The outcome is pretty much the same, and Greenwald sucks so I don't really care enough to do my own digging into everything he's said recently. But I still think we should differentiate between "marketplace of ideas" idiots who play the game thinking they can win, and the actual fash like Bannon, Breitbart who are actively pushing the fash side and would continue to do so if they were in a vacuum.

You could click through and read the article. It contains gems like this:

quote:

“I think the vision is, you know, you have this kind of right wing populism, which really is socialism, that says we should close our borders, not allow unconstrained immigration, and then take better care of our own working class people, and not allow this kind of transnational, global, corporatist elite to take everything for themselves under the guise of neoliberalism,” Greenwald said.

Socialism, famous for being all about keeping the filthy immigrants out.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

LordVorbis posted:

I don't know why we had this the last time, and I still don't know why we give a flying gently caress now. It's like posting that video of Tucker Carlson chasing a guy in the street. Why? Who cares?

it’s because if someone posted a video of Tucker no-one would care but ~for some reason~ any time someone mentions Glenn the thread fills up with posts defending him with the world’s most obvious ad hominems

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

the NHS pay rise discourse has been scientifically engineered by the integrity initiative to fill my TL with RTs of complete loving morons who don't understand anything

https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1367790778420957187?s=19

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Scikar posted:

Your argument at this point is that he's fash because he has joined a fash show, and the show is fash because he's joined it.

My argument was and is that Glenn's a fascist because of all the fascist things he's said, and as an aside I mentioned he appeared on a fash website.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
You gotta have a gimmick I suppose, that applies equally to GG and Jose

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Can someone smarter than me help me understand the article's explanation:

quote:

Because cold air is denser than warm air, it has a higher refractive index. In the case of the “hovering ship”, this means light rays coming from the ship are bent downwards as it passes through the colder air, to observers on the shoreline. Having evolved to keep things simple, the human brain is easily fooled. It assumes the light rays from the ship have travelled in a straight line, and so pictures the ship in a higher position than it really is – in this instance, above the sea surface.

If it's just a trick of the brain, then how come you can capture it on camera?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Failed Imagineer posted:

You gotta have a gimmick I suppose, that applies equally to GG and Jose
Sounds like Greenwald went down a similar rabbit hole to Angela Nagle. Is Nagle good now with the Greenwald crew or not?

Jippa posted:

Some guy in falmouth saw a "superior mirage".


BoJo's flying ship technology will save Brexit?

u brexit ukip it posted:

If it's just a trick of the brain, then how come you can capture it on camera?
It's a trick of the light more than a trick of the brain.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

I thought this was fixed in the latest patch. Guess not.

:dice:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I think Glenn went mad because I've only seen two pages of Glenn posting and I want to claw my own eyes out and smash my head off a wall until I'm brain damaged enough to like Red Scare.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Comrade Fakename posted:

Another quote from that interview (with Tucker Carlson's website, btw):

lmao I specifically remember watching one livestream from Fergus with police in riot gear teargassing protesters under a "seasons greeting" banner while on another one Obama was making some meaningless appeal for calm, because it was just too on the nose dystopian

what the gently caress world was he living in?

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crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
idk who glen greenwald is :)

i think i would have poo poo my pants if i'd seen that boat

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