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Rutibex posted:fascism it's the paranoid style, and it long-predates the industrial era ideology of fascism
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Mar 5, 2021 19:37
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Hofstadter basically pinned down the American psyche for all time
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Mar 5, 2021 19:38
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the umberto eco quote’s been posted to death and lost all meaning
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Mar 5, 2021 19:39
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shrike82 posted:the umberto eco quote’s been posted to death and lost all meaning quote:Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks for consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:44
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yah posting it repeatedly doesn’t make it any more profound and lol if you can’t apply it to China/Japan/South Korea in relation to each other
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Mar 5, 2021 19:48
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Most of that essay is too broad and applies to too many non fascist nations to be too useful.
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Mar 5, 2021 19:54
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in any case, i suspect covid has worked more effectively than any coordinated FP blob propaganda effort in poisoning public opinion against China
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Mar 5, 2021 20:03
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shrike82 posted:in any case, i suspect covid has worked more effectively than any coordinated FP blob propaganda effort in poisoning public opinion against China Weird take. You think there's some natural effect that causes "the public" to spontaneously blame China for the virus?
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Mar 5, 2021 20:10
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it’s happened across the world with a general rise in racist attacks on ethnic Chinese and negative trends in opinions polls across countries. US pols have capitalized on it but that’s separate from the FP establishment manufacturing something whole cloth
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Mar 5, 2021 20:15
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Years and years of anti China propaganda. "Wow this consent got manufactured on it's own out of nowhere. Amazing!"
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Mar 5, 2021 20:19
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shrike82 posted:it’s happened across the world with a general rise in racist attacks on ethnic Chinese and negative trends in opinions polls across countries. US pols have capitalized on it but that’s separate from the FP establishment manufacturing something whole cloth And your take is that this happened independently of any anti-China propaganda effort in the media? lol
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Mar 5, 2021 20:33
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shrike82 posted:can’t wait for the Chinese wave of cultural exports - I miss eating authentic mala hotpot even in minnesota I can get pig brain as a side to my mala hotpot so idk where you can't get it authentic if you look hard enough
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Mar 5, 2021 20:34
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* watching the NY Times print its 5000th article blaming COVID-19 on China * Hm, yes. It seems to me all this criticism of China is springing up organically. I am a very smart man
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Mar 5, 2021 20:38
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 COVID’s probably undone the past couple decades’ worth of Chinese soft power single-handedly
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Mar 5, 2021 20:41
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on the contrary it seems to me that COVID has dramatically advanced china's global position because of the incredible disparity in different countries' ability to handle it
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Mar 5, 2021 20:43
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Yes, the US foreign policy establishment, famous for never manufacturing anything out of whole cloth. This is what Americans actually believe.
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Mar 5, 2021 20:44
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Ferrinus posted:on the contrary it seems to me that COVID has dramatically advanced china's global position because of the incredible disparity in different countries' ability to handle it And lets not forget that China is sending out vaccines and supplies to other countries at the same time the west is hoarding them. In relative terms China’s soft power should be rapidly increasing in the global south
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Mar 5, 2021 20:47
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to paraphrase a friend of mine, COVID actually does scan as a chinese conspiracy to destroy the united states because all you'd need to do to weaken the US empire is trigger the onset of any kind of global problem which can be easily dealt by even a small amount of deliberate, coordinated, government action that isn't bombing people
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Mar 5, 2021 20:50
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-s-vaccine-diplomacy-fails-to-win-ASEAN-support-surveyquote:China's vaccine diplomacy fails to win ASEAN support: survey and this is China‘a backyard
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Mar 5, 2021 21:09
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shrike82 posted:it’s happened across the world with a general rise in racist attacks on ethnic Chinese and negative trends in opinions polls across countries. US pols have capitalized on it but that’s separate from the FP establishment manufacturing something whole cloth lol this is adorable
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Mar 5, 2021 21:19
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Lol, that poll isn’t a random survey of the populations of ASEAN countries, but a poll of academics, government officials, and business people. Basically, the economic and political elite of the country, not the country as a wholequote:In a poll of 1,032 people, including academics, government officials and business people across the 10-nation Association of South East Asian Nations conducted from Nov. 18 to Jan. 10, 44.2% of respondents said China had provided the most help to the region during the pandemic, ahead of Japan at 18.2%, the European Union at 10.3%, and the 9.6% who named the U.S. Pretty funny that they all recognize that China has been providing the most aid in the region though
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Mar 5, 2021 21:22
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ok and...? isn’t that even worse for China
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Mar 5, 2021 21:23
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Chomskyan posted:Lol, that poll isn’t a random survey of the populations of ASEAN countries, but a poll of academics, government officials, and business people. Basically, the economic and political elite of the country, not the country as a whole 45% isn't "they all" it's not even majority
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Mar 5, 2021 21:35
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shrike82 posted:
This is the dumbest hot take out of all your dumb opinions. It doesn't take 2 minute to find a pewpew survey online that show the Americans were hating on China in 2019. Now I feel bad for giving serious reply on your previous posts.
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Mar 5, 2021 21:47
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Also it's loving Indonesia which is still dominated by the Islamist military cabal we elevated to power.
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Mar 5, 2021 22:10
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Shrike what is your security clearance?
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Mar 5, 2021 22:14
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shrike82 posted:ok and...? isn’t that even worse for China you repeatedly assume that China must act like the United States in terms of a global power instead of doing its own thing since it is a state with very, very different characteristics does it ever occur to you that China might just have aided neighboring nations for the humane practicality of it instead of some pseudo-Monroe doctrine attitude, like, helping our neighbors with the pandemic helps us greatly too in direct material terms, we don't need "recognition" for that
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Mar 5, 2021 22:15
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thats what xi said
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Mar 5, 2021 22:18
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shrike82 posted:ok and...? isn’t that even worse for China You’re cherry picking a group of countries that joined an anti-Chinese alliance, and from there further cherry picking the upper echelons of that society, its politicians and businessmen, whose opinions are most likely represented by that national policy. If your point is to show that the elites of countries which were already against China before COVID are still against it afterwards, you’ve succeeded. If you’re trying to evaluate the broad impact of China’s vaccine diplomacy in any meaningful way, you’ve failed
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Mar 5, 2021 22:23
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Southpaugh posted:it has been interesting watching significant brain rot set in on noah over the years, he became more popular and got worse. Don't trust anyone whose into W.B Yeats imo. 
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Mar 5, 2021 22:40
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 china really does seem to be decaying heavily, while the U.S. becomes more streamlined, competent, stable and inspirational. compared to 1996, america is looking amazingly great 
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Mar 5, 2021 22:44
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today i had to listen to NPR cause a work truck had no working aux cable, hadnt really listened to NPR in awhile. in two hours half of the stories were about china and they were always vaguely menacing, including criticism of their anti-poverty initiative because the state is “giving people money” totally normal and real media coverage that is not manufacturing ideology for liberal dum dums
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Mar 5, 2021 22:44
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this is NPR. china's last executive transfer was marked by violence and the state couldn't expel the main state supporters for the insurrection. they control the country's most significant mass media outlets where they are encouraging disease-spreading behavior and focusing on belligerent foreign policy as a panacea for economic pain, using aggressive patriotism to stifle criticism and deflect grievances. that's the subject of a new book by our guest this hour, economist don hughes of the hoover institute's forum on hoovervilles: flex-housing in times of crisis sponsored by home depot
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Mar 5, 2021 22:52
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[white guy in a suit with binoculars on the taiwanese coast looking west] drat, can't scrute a thing from here
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Mar 5, 2021 22:54
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Chomskyan posted:You’re cherry picking a group of countries that joined an anti-Chinese alliance, and from there further cherry picking the upper echelons of that society, its politicians and businessmen, whose opinions are most likely represented by that national policy. If your point is to show that the elites of countries which were already against China before COVID are still against it afterwards, you’ve succeeded. If you’re trying to evaluate the broad impact of China’s vaccine diplomacy in any meaningful way, you’ve failed lol are you trying to argue that ASEAN is an anti Chinese association of countries?
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Mar 5, 2021 23:29
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:this is NPR. china's last executive transfer was marked by violence and the state couldn't expel the main state supporters for the insurrection. they control the country's most significant mass media outlets where they are encouraging disease-spreading behavior and focusing on belligerent foreign policy as a panacea for economic pain, using aggressive patriotism to stifle criticism and deflect grievances. that's the subject of a new book by our guest this hour, economist don hughes of the hoover institute's forum on hoovervilles: flex-housing in times of crisis sponsored by home depot lmao
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Mar 5, 2021 23:36
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shrike82 posted:https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-s-vaccine-diplomacy-fails-to-win-ASEAN-support-survey oh thats cool i wonder who these guys are ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute posted:Mr Choi Shing Kwok was appointed Director of ISEAS on 15 January 2018 and took on the role of Head of ASEAN Studies Centre at the institute in March 2020. that's crazy why would they publish polls that make china look bad
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Mar 6, 2021 00:47
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this is all so horrendously stupid and depraved https://twitter.com/onlyyoontv/status/1367776368235282435
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Mar 6, 2021 06:48
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How come every china watcher is always a weird white dude that is balding?
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Mar 6, 2021 06:51
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:this is all so horrendously stupid and depraved i was expecting an ASPI account, but they just work for CNBC quote:@CNBC @CNBCi Beijing Bureau Chief, Senior Correspondent | @NBCNews | @BrownUniversity @PhillipsExeter| Instagram: onlyyoontv
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