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Lungboy posted:Yeah they circumcise as a matter of course in the US, although I don't know if it's a state by state thing or everywhere. Non-medical circumcision is some nasty poo poo, very little difference to FGM which is rightly deemed abhorrent yet this ....isn't. It is different, to a very definite degree. Circumcision does not remove sexual pleasure. Clitoridectomy does.
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crispix posted:my ma got her wooden garden table and chairs off a loyalist bonfire years ago lol lmfao that rules, did the pack of 12 year olds inevitably keeping watch on the thing not say anything to her? (i may have historically been such a 12 year old drafted in to the surely vital work of protecting the bonnie before the 12th) e; I had to get cut when I was like 27 or so and it had a much less dramatic effect on pleasure than I expected or feared, like it's not nothing but it's definitely not the devastation of all sensation either. But it doesn't actually matter because it could make sex 200 times better to get circumcized and it still shouldn't be done to babies on account of you know personal autonomy and consenting to things and stuff. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 6, 2021 |
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bessantj posted:I wonder if that was the case here, because we found several letters that looked official. Network Rail took them but I'm not sure what they can really do with them. The police turned up at my neighbour's a few months ago and interviewed her under caution (or some similar official sounding police thing idk) for fly tipping because a box of seaweed snacks with her name & address had been found a few streets away. Fortunately for her she'd requested a refund because it had never been delivered (I suspect a fox nabbed it) but it does at least seem to demonstrate that they take errant seaweed very seriously
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Ms Adequate posted:lmfao that rules, did the pack of 12 year olds inevitably keeping watch on the thing not say anything to her? they actually helped her put them in her car, such is the derren brown style mind-bending power of ma's indignation at perfectly good ____ going to waste
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Ash Crimson posted:I needed more than two but i did end up getting a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria by one of the people from the closest GIC (Chalmers) which i guess will help in the future and at least can't be swept under the rug or discounted. yeah I kinda pushed fairly quickly as far as social stuff because to be honest it was either that or not survive last year
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crispix posted:they actually helped her put them in her car, such is the derren brown style mind-bending power of ma's indignation at perfectly good ____ going to waste now that's a powerful norn iron auld doll, salute to yer ma!
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Ms Adequate posted:l But it doesn't actually matter because it could make sex 200 times better to get circumcized and it still shouldn't be done to babies on account of you know personal autonomy and consenting to things and stuff. My son has the same ears as me- they stick out. He is the most handsome 15 month old boy in the UK. My wife is thinking about surgery for his " problem " . I tried to explain that it can't be that much of a problem if we got married and reproduced with me with the same sticking out ears. We settled on waiting untill he is Gillick competent and can make up his own mind on his ears.
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i have webbed toes which i think is unarguably an improvement but unfortunately i'll not be going forth and multiplying in this life when i was 2 years old my aunt caught my cousin just about to "fix" them with a pair of scissors :/
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Ash Crimson posted:It's basically to punish people for jacking it ...you realise in the US they do it to newborns right. And yes its a cultural norm over there, not just the Midwest. 50s ideas of hygiene I think, not a religious thing, though apparently it does have a minor positive effect in reducing STD transmission iirc. I was circumcised for phimosis when I was 13. Recovering from the operation wasn't fun but the effects afterwards aren't huge, or you wouldn't see the entire white male WASP population of America being put through it generation after generation. In my particular case it would have saved me several months as a teenager of having my penis look like corned beef and feel like fire. Still sympathetic to banning it on consent grounds but no it really really isn't equivalent to FGM (which also doesn't happen at infancy iirc?)
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Rumda posted:I'm not calling you a transphobe I'm just saying you are posting apologia for an institutionally transphobic service You are a piece of poo poo and I'm extremely glad you aren't systemically representative of trans people because you very obviously don't give a gently caress about other trans people potentally being able to have good lives. Was gonna go debate bro and say 'please define "posting apologia for an institionally transphobic service"' but gently caress you just 1. tell us what would be sufficiently good enough for you and 2. highlight just one example that is systemically better than the one you're making GBS threads on. It should be very easy for you from your rhetoric.
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feedmegin posted:...you realise in the US they do it to newborns right. It's grim as gently caress though and actually no-one even defends it, it's just a disgusting grimy thing that apparently keeps happening just because of cultural momentum.
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feedmegin posted:...you realise in the US they do it to newborns right. Neonatal circumcision is a lot safer. It's why it happened for at least 1000 years in the Middle East without creating a historical mortality dip. Probably a lot long longer than that. You get good at slicing. Dogatron fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Dogatron posted:Neonatal circumcision is a lot safer. It's why it happened for at least 1000 years in the Middle East without creating a historical mortality dip. common but if your older brother died of it you got a free pass (because it’s a good way to find out if haemophilia runs in the family)
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Vitamin P posted:You are a piece of poo poo and I'm extremely glad you aren't systemically representative of trans people because you very obviously don't give a gently caress about other trans people potentally being able to have good lives. how about a service which doesn't have 6 year waiting list and that doesn't demand strict conformity to conservative gender roles. Even the US system is better that the one we currently have at least there people can get prescribed hormones with in a year, or how about Belgium which has 6 clinics to England's 7 with a sixth of the population or Norway's which only has the one clinic but still manages to have much shorter waiting times Rumda fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Vitamin P posted:You are a piece of poo poo and I'm extremely glad you aren't systemically representative of trans people because you very obviously don't give a gently caress about other trans people potentally being able to have good lives. The GICs do not give a poo poo about trans people and they should be replaced with a system of informed consent which will be able to help much much more people
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feedmegin posted:...you realise in the US they do it to newborns right. Jesus Christ what kind of circumcision did they do on YOU?  My phimosis cut was clean and healed quickly.Vitamin P is on my ignore list for a reason and this is why. Rumda you're 100% in the right and as far as I'm concerned you are absolutely free to speak for me if you want.
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crispix posted:i think evolution-wise sticking out ears is an improvement for the species Blair and Charles did very well.
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Rumda posted:how about a service which doesn't have 6 year waiting list and that doesn't demand strict conformity to conservative gender roles. Even the US system is better that the one we currently have at lest there people can get prescribed hormones with in a year, or how about Belgium which has 6 clinic to England 7 with a sixth of the population or Norways which only has the one clinic but still manages to have much shorter waiting times I'm sure the US system is significantly better for very rich people, unless you're leaning into the fake trope that trans people are all bored hedonists that's not relevant. Genuinely can't parse the last bit of your post but it seems like you're broadly describing Scandi counties which have a functionally very similar health system to the UK? Certainly you haven't made a meaningful disctinction. You were explicitly saying young trans people shouldn't be engaging with UK health services and you aren't even remotely close to having made that point.
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Vitamin P posted:You are a piece of poo poo and I'm extremely glad you aren't systemically representative of trans people because you very obviously don't give a gently caress about other trans people potentally being able to have good lives. A bad post by a bad person Unremitting shite flows from you Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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I don't see how the hell you can possibly parse those results as anything other than a systematized attempt to deny people healthcare without just explicitly stating it.
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Vitamin P posted:I'm sure the US system is significantly better for very rich people, unless you're leaning into the fake trope that trans people are all bored hedonists that's not relevant. Genuinely can't parse the last bit of your post but it seems like you're broadly describing Scandi counties which have a functionally very similar health system to the UK? Certainly you haven't made a meaningful disctinction. In Norway my friend got referred in August and they have their first appointment in April, I was referred in February last year I have just received my acceptance of referral letter. Vitamin P posted:If you were explicitly saying young trans people shouldn't be engaging with UK health services and you aren't even remotely close to having made that point.
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Guavanaut posted:Found Miftan's nemesis Bobstar posted:Which bit does the Jesus live in? It's all Jesus: corpus, skin and appendices. Well it might be more of a shoggoth or asura rather than jesus, but speaking generally here.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't see how the hell you can possibly parse those results as anything other than a systematized attempt to deny people healthcare without just explicitly stating it. The only way anyone can argue that the current situation is in anyway adequate is to explicitly ignore the experiences of trans people
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Dropping in to say that my Fudjit order arrived today. Some exquisite fudge, shared with the family and will last us a good few days. ( I got a bit of everything!) The Cherry Bakewell was a favourite. Would highly recommend it to any that can. Lovely stuff Camrath!
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I genuinely want to know what the gently caress trans people in Britain are supposed to do when the clinics designed to help them are at best poo poo and at worst actively hostile and ran by people who don't have the best interests of trans people in mind Do we just wait and hope to God that we get an introductory appointment before we die? There's a reason GIC's are viewed with utter suspicion and contempt Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Dogatron posted:Neonatal circumcision is a lot safer. It's why it happened for at least 1000 years in the Middle East without creating a historical mortality dip. Uhhh you have heard of Jewish people yes? Quite a lot longer than a thousand years, yes. I doubt they'd be doing it if it killed babies by the cartload.
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Ash Crimson posted:I genuinely want to know what the gently caress trans people in Britain are supposed to do when the clinics designed to help them are at best poo poo and at worst actively hostile and ran by people who don't have the best interests of trans people in mind roll over and be okay with it like the good little broken people we are
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i realise there are two quite heated debates going on atm but i would just like to say that asda bacon bites (which are vegetarian - figure that one out!!!!!) are a NOTCH ABOVE frazzles aythankyou
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Rumda posted:roll over and be okay with it like the good little broken people we are You know it's bad when the American healthcare system is an actual improvement over the current situation And it's only going to get worse unfortunately
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crispix posted:i realise there are two quite heated debates going on atm but i would just like to say that asda bacon bites (which are vegetarian - figure that one out!!!!!) are a NOTCH ABOVE frazzles Hmmmm you know thinking about it you might be correct on that, though I hadn't given the matter much consideration before Ash Crimson posted:You know it's bad when the American healthcare system is an actual improvement over the current situation It truly is bonkers that if I was in the US right now I could get HRT so much more easily than here, I mean I'd have to pay yea but like... probably not even more than going private here!
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Ash Crimson posted:I genuinely want to know what the gently caress trans people in Britain are supposed to do when the clinics designed to help them are at best poo poo and at worst actively hostile and ran by people who don't have the best interests of trans people in mind Conform and stop scaring the mumsnet lot. I don't like posting about myself but I've come to the conclusion I'm probably non-binary. gently caress going to a doctor about it though.
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Lol at the fact I have to undergo years worth of evaluations before I can access medication that cis people can easily obtain with relatively little hassle and gatekeeping But sure the system is fit for purpose I get that not everyone is familiar with this but gently caress me man, don't tell me it's sufficient when I've been waiting at least 2 years for an introductory appointment and that I've been forced into going private and paying thousands for basic poo poo that cis people can access with little fuss Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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i dont understand how anyone could defend the GIC. Every person I know that has tried to use it has numerous horror stories that boggle the mind and defy explanation outside of it being a transphobic front that exists to torture trans people.
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Rumda posted:roll over and be okay with it like the good little broken people we are Aww poor baby, keep exploiting unrelated oppressed people to justify you being a nasty little streak of piss. It actually took me a second to realise why your last post felt so scummy and apologies for MSpaint it's not terribly readable but the point stands  you clicked quote and then went and changed what was written in the quote box what is wrong with you? You can't be this actively nasty, actively wierd and actively dishonest and still be so nastily judgemental about actually useful poo poo. You have zero moral highground twat. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ItohRespectArmy posted:i dont understand how anyone could defend the GIC. Every person I know that has tried to use it has numerous horror stories that boggle the mind and defy explanation outside of it being a transphobic front that exists to torture trans people. Earlier this month an official twitter account from the Tavistock was tweeting articles from transphobes from America with pictures of razorblades on it. Utter scum
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Vitamin P posted:Aww poor baby, keep exploiting unrelated oppressed people to justify you being a nasty little streak of piss. You're either just a loving liar, straight up delusional or a troll if you think GIC's are in anyway fit for purpose. So which is it?
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Vitamin P posted:Aww poor baby, keep exploiting unrelated oppressed people to justify you being a nasty little streak of piss. all I did was separate your points so i could reply to them separately all your stunning prose is there entirely unchanged. Honestly even if you believe that i'm so wrong you have multiple other trans people agreeing with me and calling you out for the transphobic oval office you are. edit you edited your post after I quoted it but before the deadline for the edit to show you disingenuous gently caress Julio Cruz posted:why is Vitamin P not threadbanned yet can this please be what does it Rumda fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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why is Vitamin P not threadbanned yet
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