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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


quote:

Winston Aubrey Aladar Marshall (born 20 December 1987) is a British fascist, best known as the banjoist and the lead guitarist of the Grammy Award-winning British folk rock band Mumford & Sons.

Wow, these Wikipedia edits are fast.

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

indigi posted:

I agree with this, especially regarding medical and infrastructure tech, but I also think people (not this idiot, but others [and not corporations]) should be compensated for their artistic or academic output. idk how to reconcile these belief

I don't think artists/academics are necessarily benefiting from ip. Either their ip is too small to steal or too big to fail despite stealing.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
If anything ip is used to seperate creators from ownership from their content/bully small creators into not releasing fan content

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

lol at people really making tortured arguments that south east asia / ASEAN is united by anti-chinese sentiment
1) it's a loose working group of countries in the region that are notably historically lukewarm on America at best. and you've got to be especially stupid to try to pin Singapore as a hub of anti-Chinese sentiment given the strong ties between the two countries, including just conducting a joint naval exercise. the ruling party's tried to thread the needle by keeping neutral between the US and China but that's more from trying to be a tax haven/free port. A Trump DOD appointee recently just talked out of his rear end about setting up a US naval base in Singapore which led to a strong rebuttal by the local government

2) if we were to accept the argument at face value, doesn't it demolish the argument about Chinese soft power increasing? Japan, South Korea, India are already actively hostile to China both governmentally and at the local level. Arguing that ASEAN (i.e., South East Asia) is hostile to China means that more or less the entirety of Asia is anti-Chinese which would be a :thunk: from me. and lol if the next argument people try to make is that it's all due to American influence ops

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

LittleBlackCloud posted:

Shrike what is your security clearance?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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For what it's worth, the reception to China's "vaccine diplomacy" hasn't been all that great from what I can see here in the Philippines:

* the Duterte administration is very ham-fisted in the way they "promote" Sinovac's Coronavac, with Duterte saying that it's outright better than other vaccines, to other administration officials saying that it's what's available, and therefore you should take it because we have no choice, to also saying that since it does prevent severe illness (technically correct), that therefore it's "good enough" (again, technically correct, but can be made to sound unempathetic).

* people reject Sinovac just because of its association with the Duterte administration to begin with.

* people reject Sinovac because it's from China. They dress it up in things like "China makes sub-standard products" or "China hasn't released the Phase 3 trial data" or "it's wrong to take their vaccine when they were the ones who started the pandemic anyway" or "the other studies coming from Brazil and Turkey are not to be trusted because those countries are Chinese puppet-states". The mildest form of this is that they're simply waiting for the Pfizer / AstraZeneca doses because they're "better", but it all comes from a place of Sinophobia-slash-anticommunism, whether as brought about specifically by Duterte's relationship with the PRC (i.e. the perception that he sold out to the Chinese and gave away islands in the South China Sea), or something more long-running than that.

It's a combination of both the Philippines having such a long-running and mostly-amiable relationship with the US (at least to anyone that isn't already a leftist), combined with Duterte specifically conducting himself in a way that makes people (at least the liberal opposition) believe that he's foreverially kowtowing to Beijing, and then that latter perception being amplified by pro-US/anti-China propaganda. Even people who are otherwise cognizant of the problems with US foreign policy are still very invested in the lesser-evilism of "better the US than China", and that's if they're willing to admit that at all and aren't just all-in on the US being an unequivocal force for good anyway.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Alternate take: Duterte hates Xi's guts but he swallowed his pride and dignity to secure the only vaccines available for the greater good of medical workers. He is the Nolan Batman Philippine deserve right now.

If you want mNRA vaccines you need to be on US's blood kin list, 3rd tier hanger-ons like Philippine and Taiwan are clearly not making the cut.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Taiwan is having trouble getting the the Pfizer vaccine because a Chinese manufacturer has exclusive license to distribute it in the region. There's fear mongering that Beijing would either deny them, or try to extort them, or just that the vaccine won't work because it's made by a Chinese company.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

Alternate take: Duterte hates Xi's guts but he swallowed his pride and dignity to secure the only vaccines available for the greater good of medical workers. He is the Nolan Batman Philippine deserve right now.

If you want mNRA vaccines you need to be on US's blood kin list, 3rd tier hanger-ons like Philippine and Taiwan are clearly not making the cut.

""medical workers"" aka himself and his friends

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

How is the pandemic and vaccination progress in the Philippines being discussed in relation to the large number of Filipinos that work abroad?

I know part of the reason Kerala got serious about the pandemic so quickly was because that the government realized that the virus was going to get to them eventually since so many Keralans travel abroad for work.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Atrocious Joe posted:

How is the pandemic and vaccination progress in the Philippines being discussed in relation to the large number of Filipinos that work abroad?

I know part of the reason Kerala got serious about the pandemic so quickly was because that the government realized that the virus was going to get to them eventually since so many Keralans travel abroad for work.

early in the pandemic, the government launched a repatriation program to assist Filipinos abroad in going home

because of the way that this program was mishandled - most of the people who took the program were all put together in a large sports stadium in Manila for days on end until transportation back to their home provinces could be arranged - it ended up being a spreader of COVID to outlying rural areas, brought back by these same overseas workers who were insufficiently tested and insufficiently quarantined before being sent back

there's still a trickle of such goings-on, and its contributed to spreading the UK and South Africa variants of COVID to areas outside of Manila

by now a lot of Filipinos that have managed to hang-on to their jobs overseas have decided to keep them, mostly because they figure they have a better shot at riding-out the pandemic elsewhere than back here (which isn't really uniformly true either - Filipinos are some of the worst-hit demographies among nurses in the US), to say nothing of also getting vaccinated earlier

to put some of this in perspective, our official government statistics estimate about 2.2 million Filipinos work abroad as of 2019 (with a broader category of "Filipino citizens living abroad, in any capacity" numbering about 11 to 12 million)

our Foreign Affairs department has reported 15,079 confirmed cases of COVID, and 1,033 deaths, among these OFWs (and not counting OFWs who have since come home or have been repatriated)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Grapplejack posted:

""medical workers"" aka himself and his friends

to add context to this:

* Duterte admitted back in December of 2019 that members of his Personal Security Group had been vaccinated with Sinopharm's (not Sinovac's) vaccine. This was well before any use-authorization for any vaccine had been issued, and so this would have been illegal

* a couple of Senators either admitted or inadvertently let-slip that they'd been vaccinated in January (no brand mentioned). Again, this is before any vaccines had ever been publicly and legally approved for use in the PH

* Duterte himself has said that he hasn't been vaccinated yet. He's gone back-and-forth on whether he'd take a vaccine in public. He's also gone back-and-forth on whether he'd take Sinovac's Coronavac - one day he'll say he'll take it because it's good, another day he'll say that he can't take it because he's old and the vaccine isn't approved for use with the elderly (technically correct).

* other administration officials have made similar statements of not-taking Coronavac because of their age, such as our Defense Secretary, our "vaccine czar", and our Health Secretary

* the shipments of Coronavac that arrived on Monday actually have been distributed to medical workers, but at the same time something like a majority of our health workers have opted-out of taking it, for reasons that I've mentioned above regarding wanting to wait for Pfizer / AZ and having doubts on the effectiveness and safety of Coronavac

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Ardennes posted:

It is also difficult to see India moving toward a FTA with the US for that precise reason. The market for generics in/from India is massive and if the US enforced its IPs, it would take out a chunk of the Indian economy.

on the other hand modi has shown a willingness to let global capital imperialize india, letting american giants swallow burgeoning local indian tech companies, jeopardizing food security and trying to liberalize agriculture for MNCs to swoop in

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

India should have a farm economy reform, but like the general sales tax reform from 2 years ago, it was badly managed by the BJP.

The farmers who are leading the protest are the minority Punjabis who will lost the most under the new law. If the Modi government had any sense, they should have pushed out the reform gradually, start in 1 or 2 model states first, get good buzz in the first phase and slowly roll out to the rest of the country in tiers, and obviously touch the ethnic minorities the last.

Most of Modi's reforms are aiming to integrate and unify the country, not really under the doctrine of free market capitalism.

this is wrong. since the post-independence land reforms india's agricultural sector is very unconsolidated. there are huge profits to be made in kicking millions of freeholders off their land and have local and international oligarchs take it over. it won't just be punjabis who're going to be affected; they're just the most politically engaged/conscious bloc. the "reforms" are going to be a massive social disaster if they take hold because all these people who lose their land and livelihoods are going to need jobs to feed themselves, they're going to flood the cities looking for it, and there's already millions upon millions of rural migratory workers scrambling for what few jobs there are available.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

shrike82 posted:

lol at people really making tortured arguments that south east asia / ASEAN is united by anti-chinese sentiment
1) it's a loose working group of countries in the region that are notably historically lukewarm on America at best. and you've got to be especially stupid to try to pin Singapore as a hub of anti-Chinese sentiment given the strong ties between the two countries, including just conducting a joint naval exercise. the ruling party's tried to thread the needle by keeping neutral between the US and China but that's more from trying to be a tax haven/free port. A Trump DOD appointee recently just talked out of his rear end about setting up a US naval base in Singapore which led to a strong rebuttal by the local government

2) if we were to accept the argument at face value, doesn't it demolish the argument about Chinese soft power increasing? Japan, South Korea, India are already actively hostile to China both governmentally and at the local level. Arguing that ASEAN (i.e., South East Asia) is hostile to China means that more or less the entirety of Asia is anti-Chinese which would be a :thunk: from me. and lol if the next argument people try to make is that it's all due to American influence ops

man you're a tedious moron, you keep ignoring everyone that's shown that the poll you linked didn't prove the point you were trying to make (that anti-chinese sentiment is somehow independent of media propaganda), shut the gently caress up already.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

iirc the main draw of agricultural liberalization was to lower prices for the domestic middle class, modi's core constituency

vvv interesting ty

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 05:37 on Mar 7, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

i say swears online posted:

iirc the main draw of agricultural liberalization was to lower prices for the domestic middle class, modi's core constituency

it won't, prices will rise once the oligarchs get their hooks in and establish an agricultural oligopoly. there's still aiming for state subsidies, only towards agricultural conglomerates instead of for independent farmers (similar to how agriculture is heavily subsidized and consolidated in advanced economies). food prices are relatively cheap in india despite a subsidy program because of the intense competition and farmers frequently have to go into debt. once the sector is consolidated, that competitive pressure is gone

huhwhat
Apr 22, 2010

by sebmojo

LittleBlackCloud posted:

Shrike what is your security clearance?

Blake Herzinger (@BDHerzinger) is a civilian Indo-Pacific defense policy specialist and U.S. Navy Reserve officer. The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and do not represent those of his civilian employer, the U.S. Navy, the Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.

Elee Wakim (@EleeWakim) is a surface warfare officer in the U.S. Navy Reserve and a Presidential Management Fellow. The views expressed here are his own and do not represent those of the U.S. Navy, the Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.


The United States will have to examine the difficult prospect of violating the sovereignty of non-belligerents in a time of war. There may well come a point when the Joint Force will have to seize key positions along the South China Sea periphery – for example, in the Philippines, Indonesia, or Malaysia – for short durations in order to facilitate operations.

Preparing informal access arrangements, messaging narratives, and seizure CONOPs will be vital to achieving temporary operational access when it is otherwise denied.

shrike82 posted:

you've got to be especially stupid to try to pin Singapore as a hub of anti-Chinese sentiment given the strong ties between the two countries, including just conducting a joint naval exercise.

Pakistan hosts joint naval drills including the US, China and Russia

Pakistan has concluded hosting a six-day multinational naval exercise in the Arabian Sea. Around 45 countries took part in the AMAN-2021 drills, which ended on February 16. The US, China, Russia and the UK were among the countries taking part in the exercise, which was designed to foster international cooperation to combat piracy, terrorism and criminal activities at sea. It was the first time in 10 years that Russian naval ships had taken part in drills with multiple Nato members.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

huh, what?

i don't think the US military talking about seizing positions in SE Asia is making the point you think you're making

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx

shrike82 posted:

huh, what?

i don't think the US military talking about seizing positions in SE Asia is making the point you think you're making

stop dodging the question!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

quote:

If the depth of U.S investments and shared interests with its closest Southeast Asian allies are crumbling during peacetime, what then does this portend for access with less formally aligned states during open conflict with the PRC? In the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, should the U.S. government continue to rely on the prospect of unfettered access to logistical support and conduct offensive operations, as it has for the past 30 years? Or is it setting up the possibility of the Joint Force having to play a scratch game as its forward elements are ejected by non-belligerents at the outset of a conflict?
https://cimsec.org/the-assumption-of-access-in-the-western-pacific/

A war with China isn't enough, the US must wage war on all of Asia.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/1366432756016807946

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/Mulboyne/status/1368124573187592193

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011



originally i was going to post this ancient mummy in the history thread but



loling at the sudden completely unnecessary turn into chinese technology is fake and was invented by the europeans

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I don't think I've ever read about those mummies without the main focus being weed

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Desert environment should be able to preserve the DNA for analysis. Probably a branch of the Aryan who walked to the Indian subcontinent. Also use the new dating techniques too.

N-N-N-NINE BREAKER
Jul 12, 2014

stephenthinkpad posted:

Also use the new dating techniques too.

finally, technology has advanced to the point that I can get the the big tiddy mummy gf i've always dreamed of

Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007

N-N-N-NINE BREAKER posted:

finally, technology has advanced to the point that I can get the the big tiddy mummy gf i've always dreamed of
Calm down there Oedipus.

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

gradenko_2000 posted:

to put some of this in perspective, our official government statistics estimate about 2.2 million Filipinos work abroad as of 2019 (with a broader category of "Filipino citizens living abroad, in any capacity" numbering about 11 to 12 million)

arent a ton of ur dudes still stuck at sea

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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SchnorkIes posted:

arent a ton of ur dudes still stuck at sea

yes that's what I was saying about anyone who still has a job overseas is holding onto them instead of taking a ride home

like, I have a friend who works as an architect in Dubai and his wife worked at an airline office and she lost her job and he didn't, but they're trying to make ends meet even if the latter job is probably never coming back because he still couldn't make as much as he does coming back here than trying to continue to work there

I've also got an uncle who's a seaman who's taken two deployments since the pandemic. It takes him like an extra two to three weeks to "get home" after every journey between all of the testing and quarantines and not being sent back directly to Manila, but he's still getting work so he keeps going back

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1368776555246149636?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Bloody Sunday: 9 dead, 6 arrested in Calabarzon crackdown on activists

quote:

As of 1 pm on Sunday, police and soldiers reported killing 9 and arresting 6 individuals believed to be with activist groups in Laguna, Rizal, and Batangas, provinces surrounding capital region Metro Manila.

Police said in their report that they were serving search warrants, but progressive groups described them as executions.

Among those killed was Emmanuel "Manny" Asuncion, secretary general of BAYAN in Cavite, who is a known mass organizer in the Southern Tagalog.

Labor rights group PAMANTIK-KMU also identified Chai Lemita Evangelista and Ariel Evangelista as fatalities in the operations.

They are members of progressive group Ugnayan ng Mamamayan Laban sa Pagwawasak ng Kalikasan at Kalupaan (UMALPAS KA) [translation: Citizen's Association Against the Destruction of the Environment]. They were survived by a 10-year-old child.

The operations were still ongoing as of 1:30 pm, Calabarzon police spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Chitadel Gaoiran told Rappler in a phone interview.

Here is the breakdown of individuals killed and arrested, according to the consolidated report of the PNP and AFP as of 2:50 pm:

ARRESTED
Laguna - 3
Rizal - 3
TOTAL - 6

DIED IN POLICE OPERATIONS
Cavite - 1
Batangas - 2
Rizal - 6
TOTAL - 9

AT-LARGE
Batangas - 1
Rizal - 8
TOTAL - 9

The Sunday crackdown is one of the biggest one-day offensives of the police and military against activist groups, many of which have been red-tagged by the Duterte administration.

In a phone interview with Rappler, Calabarzon police chief Brigadier General Felipe Natividad said the operations are only in compliance with Duterte's Executive Order No. 70, which ordered a whole-of-nation approach to ending the communist insurgency in the Philippines.

The executive order emphasized the need for "delivery of basic services and social development packages in conflict-affected and -vulnerable areas," but the Duterte government has been bent on using police and the military to assault communist forces, including activists who have been red-tagged without basis.

Sunday's crackdown comes after Duterte on Friday, March 5, declared in a speech: "I've told the military and the police, that if they find themselves in an armed encounter with the communist rebels, kill them, make sure you really kill them, and finish them off if they are alive."

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1368751071569453059

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KhaledBeydoun/status/1368932837886468101?s=20

???


gently caress

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011



afaik, communists there were making some important advances in the last few years so now they are a far bigger boogeyman than the ISIS offshoot of a while back?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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dead gay comedy forums posted:

afaik, communists there were making some important advances in the last few years so now they are a far bigger boogeyman than the ISIS offshoot of a while back?

that's largely correct, yes

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


what about the ughyurs has become a sort of performative social media response to anyone talking about dumb gossip its basically the new free tibet

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
a decade ago Uighur oppression was my weirdo crank pet cause so i got to see the (originally pretty limited) discourse around them change in real time
I'm not sure I'd go back to the era where pieces of poo poo were writing opeds painting China's treatment of them as a good thing and a role model for the US or Europe's muslim population but it's getting close.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Has Philippines lost in the freedom house/democratic index ranking during the Durterte run like India has during the Modi reign?

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Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Zedhe Khoja posted:

a decade ago Uighur oppression was my weirdo crank pet cause so i got to see the (originally pretty limited) discourse around them change in real time
I'm not sure I'd go back to the era where pieces of poo poo were writing opeds painting China's treatment of them as a good thing and a role model for the US or Europe's muslim population but it's getting close.

"Uighur oppression"

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