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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

The Question IRL posted:

(He looks so much like him that we named this doppelganger Flexo after Futurama.)


Excellent choice

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1369291520214458368?s=20

loving hell that is a stupid idea

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
well we have daily deaths down to double digits again, that means it's time to go hog-wild again wooooo spend spend spend!!!! SPRING BREAAAAAAAK WOOOOOOOO *flash boob*

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Eat Out to Help Out 2: Eat rear end In First Class

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

big scary monsters posted:

It turns out that the real Frankenstein's monster actually was Frankenstein.

There's was an engineer in another thread moaning about how pathetic it was there was a university course in literary analysis that was focused on a feminist reading of Frankenstein. You know just how it's completely bizarre to read feminist thinking into a book written by the daughter of Mary Wollstonecraft...

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
All stem courses should have a mandatory humanities module per term.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade
I'm just thinking how much of a stem-queen I would have been if did actually come out at Uni and the depression caused by the repression and dysphoria didn't make it so I only just got a third.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Total Meatlove posted:

All stem courses should have a mandatory humanities module per term.

And all humanities/arts courses should have a 'how to understand and calculate percentages', 'why an O is not the same as 0' modules every term!

Years ago, I read an article in Radio Times about why, on Mastermind, were the General Knowledge questions so heavily arts-orientated. The producer answered, "because it is far more likely that scientists will be literate than arts people will know anything about science."

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


An academic engineer I know put in a module proposal on the importance of diversity in engineering. It had some really interesting stuff in it, not just on representation &c but on specific problems resulting from (e.g.) nobody noticing that people other than cishet white men exist.

It was not accepted. The higher-ups in the school of engineering didn't think it was important.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
One dark little detail I didn't realise until now was one of the key reasons for Harry and Meghan's current media-blitzing celeb launch - they need enough money to privately fund a security detail suitable for a prince and princess of the British royal family. Diana lasted only two years after Buckingham Palace cut her off from their security coverage.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Borrovan posted:

An academic engineer I know put in a module proposal on the importance of diversity in engineering. It had some really interesting stuff in it, not just on representation &c but on specific problems resulting from (e.g.) nobody noticing that people other than cishet white men exist.

It was not accepted. The higher-ups in the school of engineering didn't think it was important.

And then he proposed it again citing their rejection as the number 1 reason why it's needed and it was accepted, I assume? :v:

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
I agree that more overlap in education would be good, but that then gets into lots of other big questions about higher education. UK degrees are probably too short even for the core content they are meant to cover, introducing mandatory modules in unrelated fields would make that worse. If your education system is intended to give you the bare minimum skills employers want and/or a piece of paper to prove that you could afford to go to university then this is all working as intended. If it's meant to be for the pursuit of knowledge, self-betterment, producing well-rounded people, a better society and all that then it's failing in a lot more ways that I can't work up the will to type about because it's too much and too disheartening.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
The increasing STEMification of higher education under neoliberalism and the marginalisation of all arts/humanities education and research as some useless indulgence that goes with it is honestly so depressing. It also has serious consequences. We've seen this with coronavirus, where papers have fallen over themselves to give epidemiologists and biochemists and doctors column inches to assess the pandemic's broader implications and situate it in its historical context, but these people are woefully unequipped to do this and usually ending up spouting absolute garbage. I've been reading a lot of extremely frustrated tweets by historians who've spent their whole careers studying the way epidemic diseases have shaped societies but are being completely ignored in favour of publishing some STEM guy's take on what the black death can tell us about long term prospects after covid, based mostly on what he reckons after skimming the wikipedia article.

I think a mandatory humanities element is an absolute necessity for medical fields, even if that's just to encourage students to engage with the ethics and purpose of healthcare beyond tickbox 'this is what is Good and this is what is Bad' oversimplifications, and think about what they're actually doing and why.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 9, 2021

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Darth Walrus posted:

One dark little detail I didn't realise until now was one of the key reasons for Harry and Meghan's current media-blitzing celeb launch - they need enough money to privately fund a security detail suitable for a prince and princess of the British royal family. Diana lasted only two years after Buckingham Palace cut her off from their security coverage.

I don't think Diana's problem was a lack of British security services

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ThomasPaine posted:

The increasing STEMification of higher education under neoliberalism and the marginalisation of all arts/humanities education and research as some useless indulgence that goes with it is honestly so depressing. It also has serious consequences. We've seen this with coronavirus, where papers have fallen over themselves to give epidemiologists and biochemists and doctors column inches to assess the pandemic's broader implications and situate it in its historical context, and these people are woefully unequipped to do this and usually ending up spouting absolute garbage. I've been reading a lot of extremely frustrated tweets by historians who've spent their whole careers studying the way epidemic diseases have shaped societies but are being completely ignored in favour of publishing some STEM guy's take on what the black death can tell us about long term prospects after covid, based mostly on what he reckons after skimming the wikipedia article.
People won't even listen to epidemiologists and biochemists and doctors when they're speaking entirely within their area of expertise on the pandemic, so whether the column inches are useful or not all seems *explodes in a shower of cheap sunglasses* rather academic.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Guavanaut posted:

People won't even listen to epidemiologists and biochemists and doctors when they're speaking entirely within their area of expertise on the pandemic, so whether the column inches are useful or not all seems *explodes in a shower of cheap sunglasses* rather academic.

This is a sadly fair point

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

multijoe posted:

I don't think Diana's problem was a lack of British security services

You can certainly argue that her problem was a lack of security personnel on her payroll, though.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


big scary monsters posted:

I agree that more overlap in education would be good, but that then gets into lots of other big questions about higher education. UK degrees are probably too short even for the core content they are meant to cover, introducing mandatory modules in unrelated fields would make that worse. If your education system is intended to give you the bare minimum skills employers want and/or a piece of paper to prove that you could afford to go to university then this is all working as intended. If it's meant to be for the pursuit of knowledge, self-betterment, producing well-rounded people, a better society and all that then it's failing in a lot more ways that I can't work up the will to type about because it's too much and too disheartening.
I actually really like the idea of 4-year degrees with an American-style thingy where you spend a year loving around studying poo poo for fun & decide what you really want to do after that.

It's not gonna happen given the commodification of education, it'd just be great for society if people had a more rounded worldview, & great for the individuals too: I see so many students who are obvious on the wrong course and making themselves miserable, but there's so many pressures that by the time they've badly hosed up completed a year they feel like they're in too deep to change their mind

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Jeremy Clarkson managed to out-twat himself

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1369306308684480516

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
A bit of exposure to other fields might also help cure the classic engineer/scientist brain where someone is an authority in their area and so feels qualified to sound off about all kinds of stuff because "I'm a smart guy how hard can it be". Knowing the dictionary definition of the word "hubris" is one thing, but recognising it in the wild is apparently another.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

big scary monsters posted:

Knowing the dictionary definition of the word "hubris" is one thing, but recognising it in the wild is apparently another.

I make my own, the shop-bought ones all have garlic in them

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

And all humanities/arts courses should have a 'how to understand and calculate percentages', 'why an O is not the same as 0' modules every term!

I think this module already exists for stats heavy humanities subjects though, at least it did for my wife’s course?

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Borrovan posted:

I actually really like the idea of 4-year degrees with an American-style thingy where you spend a year loving around studying poo poo for fun & decide what you really want to do after that.

It's not gonna happen given the commodification of education, it'd just be great for society if people had a more rounded worldview, & great for the individuals too: I see so many students who are obvious on the wrong course and making themselves miserable, but there's so many pressures that by the time they've badly hosed up completed a year they feel like they're in too deep to change their mind

This is kinda how it works in Scottish HE (except in hyper specialised fields like medicine). It's 4 years and in the first two you study a range of subjects beyond what you applied for, and can change your final degree concentration before honours level as long as you've completed the prerequisite modules. It's probably a little less flexible than the liberal arts US approach, but far better than the focused English 3 year style.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

Borrovan posted:

An academic engineer I know put in a module proposal on the importance of diversity in engineering. It had some really interesting stuff in it, not just on representation &c but on specific problems resulting from (e.g.) nobody noticing that people other than cishet white men exist.

It was not accepted. The higher-ups in the school of engineering didn't think it was important.
There's a book, Invisible Women, that looks in to this. I haven't read it but it got good reviews.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

The Perfect Element posted:

Paying for cats is both insane AND immoral imo. There's no way people should be profiting from breeding cats; either they're just moggies so like... where's the value? or they're pedigrees, in which case, stop encouraging eugenics and inbreeding, you weirdo.

Paying for a cat is good actually. Cats being free is one of the biggest reasons they are seen as disposable pets by many. Thanks to being able to get money for kittens my mothers 80 year old neighbor could afford to have the mother spayed.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

His Divine Shadow posted:

Paying for a cat is good actually. Cats being free is one of the biggest reasons they are seen as disposable pets by many. Thanks to being able to get money for kittens my mothers 80 year old neighbor could afford to have the mother spayed.

I think everyone here is happy paying a small honorarium for transfer of catte, so no need to take an odd extremist position on this

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Here in Canada they did add mandatory humanities courses to engineering programs. It was...six courses in your last two years when I went through? At least one had to be an ethics course and one had to be an econ course, other four were open choices.

To be frank it hasn't made a ton of difference with regards to Engineer Brain.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Failed Imagineer posted:

I think everyone here is happy paying a small honorarium for transfer of catte, so no need to take an odd extremist position on this

I agree. I don't think my position was extremist though.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Here in Canada they did add mandatory humanities courses to engineering programs. It was...six courses in your last two years when I went through? At least one had to be an ethics course and one had to be an econ course, other four were open choices.

To be frank it hasn't made a ton of difference with regards to Engineer Brain.

As the saying goes, you can lead horses to courses, but you can't stop them scoffing at the content and treating it like it's beneath them

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

His Divine Shadow posted:

Paying for a cat is good actually. Cats being free is one of the biggest reasons they are seen as disposable pets by many. Thanks to being able to get money for kittens my mothers 80 year old neighbor could afford to have the mother spayed.

Ya, I guess I'm thinking about when the cost of the cat/kitten becomes equivalent to like designer clothing or jewellery or whatever.

Like others, I got my cat from a rescue centre; she cost £75, but had been chipped, spayed and had had her inoculations, plus the money was going to a charity, so it DOESN'T COUNT.

She's also a motherfuckin' Norweigan Forest Cat, which means she looks cool and beautiful as gently caress.

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

You can certainly argue that her problem was a lack of security personnel on her payroll, though.

If the payroll for whatshisface (Dodi?) in the same car wasn't big enough, i doubt anyone has a payroll large enough.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

My fleabag cost me something like £20 (no chip though and I had to have his nuts cut off myself). They got more from me upselling me on the luxury cat bed they swore wasn't like other cat beds and the kitten would actually use it.

Did he? Has he at any point in the last 9 years? Has he gently caress.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


i want a dog but my partner wants a cat so my plan is to get the worst cat they've got

it can't possibly backfire when i fall in love with the worst cat

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Communist Thoughts posted:

i want a dog but my partner wants a cat so my plan is to get the worst cat they've got

it can't possibly backfire when i fall in love with the worst cat

Can't have him, sorry. My cat is already the worst cat. He is powered by evil and hate.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Communist Thoughts posted:

i want a dog but my partner wants a cat so my plan is to get the worst cat they've got

it can't possibly backfire when i fall in love with the worst cat

Get a fox, which is basically a dog-cat hybrid

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


i already nearly took a little fox home when i fed him a pepperami but his big brother/sister came to get him

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

His Divine Shadow posted:

I agree. I don't think my position was extremist though.

No you're right, I was reading wrong :respek:

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

Small Boss likes to spin!

feedmegin posted:

My fleabag cost me something like £20 (no chip though and I had to have his nuts cut off myself). They got more from me upselling me on the luxury cat bed they swore wasn't like other cat beds and the kitten would actually use it.

Did he? Has he at any point in the last 9 years? Has he gently caress.

I got a nice cat bed for my cats (that I got for free from a friend) that they never use either. Tried putting it in different places around the flat, even places I've seen them lie down on the floor, but they never touch it. Get really unhappy when I pick them up and put them on it. It's behind the sofa now, and I think it would make a really nice hidden nap spot for a cat to enjoy. Nothing though.

loving love cramming themselves into shoeboxes though.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Communist Thoughts posted:

i already nearly took a little fox home when i fed him a pepperami but his big brother/sister came to get him

When I was 10 and living in the countryside with my nan for a year, I found a fox cub (maybe 3-4 months old) in a hedge which had been shot in one of its legs - the leg was shattered. There was a cottage nearby where I knew the guy had a shotgun so I asked him to shoot the poor thing properly (nan and I suspected it was him that shot the poor thing in the leg in the first place) and he wouldn't. Anyway, I decided to take it to the vet and started to carry it into town about 3 miles away and a friend of my nan's came by in a car and gave me a lift.

The vet said he could amputate the leg but the fox would grow up and only let me near it or he could put it to sleep and that would be best. So anyway, that's what I agreed to. (He didn't charge me anything). But then I had to get 3 miles home again in a dress covered in fox pee, flies and fleas and then dunk myself in a cold bath (nan never put her hot water tank on, if you wanted a bath she would boil pans on the stove so by the time there was enough water in the bath, the first pans worth were cold). Showers weren't a thing for most people in those days. (She never had proper toilet roll either, just boxes of tissues.)

My sister calls me 'the fox whisperer'.


Cat toys chat:

My girl absolutely loved a little toy mouse about the size of my thumb that my brother bought her. She played with it for over 12 years and would frequently carry it in to me and plonk it on my bed in the middle of the night accompanied by much miaowing.
My boy robbed a toy stuffed rabbit off Walthamstow market (I lived very near) and he loved playing with that for years.
I still have their toys even though it is now 8/9 years since they shuffled off this mortal coil.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 9, 2021

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Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



The only nice thing I have ever bought my Cat and he actually uses is a scratching post.

He attacks it with such vigour we have to weight it down with bricks.

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