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Yeah, Toney has a very Jarvis Landry feel to me in terms of draft value going into March of their respective draft classes. I like reading that write up on Chase and Pitts, as well as Waddle and Harris. All potential need fitting dolphin picks, with prospects within reach that are simply dominant. Chase and Parsons, Pitts and Waddle, Pitts and Collins + future pick. These are what I write on my trapper keeper in hearts, in-between meetings Edit oh drat didn’t even see Bateman didn’t even make the first round. I was hoping to read the opinions on him. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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I still hope somehow Miami takes Pitts at 3, but it's probably Chase. And I can't be mad about that when all I read is glowing reviews of his game.
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Mar 9, 2021 17:17
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Ehud posted:I still hope somehow Miami takes Pitts at 3 Cosigned.
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Mar 9, 2021 17:19
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Yeah. It does feel a great situation to be in. Any of the likely trade down scenarios there will be a high quality player at a position of need, and Chase at 3 is fine.
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Mar 9, 2021 17:19
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Eifert Posting posted:Cosigned. You want Sewell, right? I don't think there is any chance we take him.
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Mar 9, 2021 17:24
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Seems like everyone is coalescing around Zach Wilson being the clear cut #2 QB in the draft and has him separating from the Fields/Lance tier. Not that this is really that dramatic shift from where we were in December, but I'm always wary of draft reappraisals that happen well after football is done being played. Feels like the late risers and fallers always end up being mistakes.
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Mar 9, 2021 17:27
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If the Eagles draft Pitts, I will scream We have Goedert and absolutely no field stretch we can sign Ertz if we want why would we limit our offense forever no Pitts
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Mar 9, 2021 17:32
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Ehud posted:You want Sewell, right? My absolute best case scenario is they address offensive line in free agency so thoroughly that they have the ability to select Chase at number 5. Realistically though that's not going to happen and if that's the case my next best scenario is Sewell + 2 FA/day two guys. I'm leery on counting on Sewell to step in and start right away for a couple reasons. Most of the stuff I've read on him doesn't say he's already a finished product and the last time we had a first-round pick play all year without injury was 2012. If Chase misses time it's a much lesser hardship, but he would make our wr room unfair.. My nightmare scenario is they miss on all their guys in free agency, select some c tier free agents and then reach on Slater when Sewell gets picked by Atlanta or New York. If they're going to draft an offensive lineman other than Sewell in the first there are 2-3 dudes that will be there 11 or 12. I'd say just make sure you stay ahead of San Diego.
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fsif posted:Seems like everyone is coalescing around Zach Wilson being the clear cut #2 QB in the draft and has him separating from the Fields/Lance tier. Not that this is really that dramatic shift from where we were in December, but I'm always wary of draft reappraisals that happen well after football is done being played. Feels like the late risers and fallers always end up being mistakes. If Miami needed a QB, I'd be ecstatic that teams were overlooking Fields. If Atlanta or Philly overlooks him they should be fired on the spot.
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Yeah Fields is drat good. If Miami was to get offered a first for Tua... I’d think long and hard about that move. I still think Tua is a strong prospect and can become the guy Miami needs him to be but when you look at guys who can potential be that franchise. Phew. But nah, you gotta trade down into that 6-8 range
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Mar 9, 2021 17:44
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fsif posted:Seems like everyone is coalescing around Zach Wilson being the clear cut #2 QB in the draft and has him separating from the Fields/Lance tier. Not that this is really that dramatic shift from where we were in December, but I'm always wary of draft reappraisals that happen well after football is done being played. Feels like the late risers and fallers always end up being mistakes. I kinda don't get it either. Wilson is very talented, but it's sort of insane to pretend he's somehow got a better track record than either, considering he had one incredible year against a pillow fight schedule while Lance put up an all-time FCS season as a freshman with the same kind of disparity and more raw talent and Fields probably breaks a couple OSU records with 2 seasons of work if he gets a full 12 games this year. Call me crazy, but I'm more suspicious of the guy who got to run an air raid on easy mode than the other two, usually when we see air raid style QBs bust it's generally because the system inflated their time to react, not their physical abilities 
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Mar 9, 2021 17:50
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I know. I love Fields as a prospect
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Mar 9, 2021 18:05
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ASAPRockySituation posted:If the Eagles draft Pitts, I will scream If they do this just lift the entire city of Philadelphia up with giant rocket boosters and slam it back to earth upside down. Drop it on Dallas to ensure that the universe remains balanced.
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Mar 9, 2021 18:09
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ASAPRockySituation posted:If the Eagles draft Pitts, I will scream Pitts averaged 17.9 yards per reception in 2020 for comparison's sake Devonta Smith averaged 15.9 yards per reception in 2020
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Mar 9, 2021 18:21
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Pitts is probably the only tight end prospect I feel can play outside. Let him run downfield routes like Darren Waller, skying over corners with ease.
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Mar 9, 2021 18:24
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If the Pats end up with DaVonta Smith I'll be extremely happy
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Mar 9, 2021 18:32
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ASAPRockySituation posted:If the Eagles draft Pitts, I will scream Pitts is a WR, my dude
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Mar 9, 2021 19:06
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What if Jerry Rice unretired and the freaking Patriots signed him
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Mar 9, 2021 19:39
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Ostentatious posted:What if Jerry Rice unretired and the freaking Patriots signed him He'd probably still make about 40 or 50 catches
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Mar 9, 2021 19:40
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Pitts is a WR, my dude Why
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The Falcons should trade down for whatever team will give them a small fortune for Fields and fix their poo poo rear end defense since they still have a top-10ish QB who will play well for the next 2-3 seasons and the other QBs in the division are in their 40s or are Teddy Bridgewater. Please don't probate me for this post.
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Mar 9, 2021 19:46
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The only folks calling Pitts a wide receiver anytime soon is the dude himself and his agent in 5 years when it's the difference of like 8 million dollars per.
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re: Pitts as a WR these are the only stats I could find. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-profile-florida-tight-end-kyle-pitts quote:Some 36% of Pitts' snaps in 2020 were lined up outside of an in-line position. That’s encouraging in this world of pass-happy offenses and shows that he can win from real wide receiver alignments — not just as a tight end. No idea how the rest of his snaps break down. I think "Pitts is a WR" is like half a meme and half truth. "Pitts is super versatile" is the more accurate statement.
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Mar 9, 2021 20:18
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I think Aaron Hernandez’s agent tried to argue he was more of a WR than a TE during his contract negotiations.
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Mar 9, 2021 20:20
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I think Aaron Hernandez’s agent tried to argue he was more of a WR than a TE during his contract negotiations. Jimmy Graham argued that he should be tagged as a WR. He lost though.
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Mar 9, 2021 21:06
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Doltos posted:Why If he runs like a WR and catches like a WR, he's a WR regardless if he does from an inline posistion
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Mar 9, 2021 21:22
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Ehud posted:re: Pitts as a WR I think he'll struggle to separate against NFL outside corners. That probably won't matter much because of Pitts height advantage and great hands. Unless he's going up against Jalen Ramsey or something, in which case play him a bit more inside. It's really hard to see how Pitts fails but the last TE I thought that about was OJ Howard recently seen losing snaps to the long dead corpse of Rob Gronkowski.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I think he'll struggle to separate against NFL outside corners. That probably won't matter much because of Pitts height advantage and great hands. Unless he's going up against Jalen Ramsey or something, in which case play him a bit more inside. It's really hard to see how Pitts fails but the last TE I thought that about was OJ Howard recently seen losing snaps to the long dead corpse of Rob Gronkowski. It didn't help that he tore his achilles in the 4th game. He has underwhelmed though as he was thought to be a can't miss TE.
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wandler20 posted:It didn't help that he tore his achilles in the 4th game. He has underwhelmed though as he was thought to be a can't miss TE. Huh, I'd thought his injury was close to mid season. Still not a great stat line but far better over 4 games than over 8.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:If he runs like a WR and catches like a WR, he's a WR regardless if he does from an inline posistion I don't think Pitts is that fast that he can run those deep post/corner/go routes better than other X/Z receivers out there. Not that he's slow, just that he's not blistering fast enough that playing him inside is unthinkable. Stats back it up but every time I watch Pitts he seems to only be lining up outside in the redzone. Trask also kinda sucks so there's that. Either way the stand out stuff is how he finds soft zone coverage and wins pretty much every jump ball. That to me spells TE and is super valuable to the level of having a premier Z receiver. Just use him like Kelce. Have him line up in the slot or tight formations and use his alright to decent blocking in spot situations where you need it. Bingo bango, huge threat off the line that opens up all sorts of routes for your other WRs.
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Ehud posted:Pitts averaged 17.9 yards per reception in 2020 Pitts (6'6", 240) 2019: 79 targets, 54 receptions, 649 yards, 13 games 2020: 67 targets, 43 receptions, 770 yards, 8 games Compared to Chase (6'1, 200): 2018: 36 targets, 23 receptions, 313 yards, 10 games 2019: 126 targets (!!!), 84 receptions, 1780 yards (!!!!!), 14 games 2020: sit out Compared to D Smith (6'1, 175): 2018: 59 targets, 42 receptions, 693 yards, 13 games 2019: 91 targets, 68 receptions, 1256 yards, 13 games 2020: 147 targets (O_O), 117 receptions, 1856 yards, 13 games I get your argument, but I also see a ton more volume for the other two guys. Also apparently the biggest knock on Pitts is that if he has to get physical he loses that fight 100% of the time. He's tall and had a very productive half season and yes, he is a local kid (from philly), but he doesn't have the sample size or apparently the strength/willingness to use his size to win a contested catch and that doesn't make him a #1 to me. He'd also be coming into a fairly bad QB and WR group situation if we draft him provided we do not manage to get Golladay. You're a gators fan and I will tell you right now I haven't watched him at all - why am I wrong about that?
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So one thing about Pitts. The draft podcast Ross Tucker puts out pointed out that the high school Pitts went to pretty much does not ever pass the ball. Pitts only really has two years and change of actual experience as a receiver. It's fair to say his ceiling for contested catches Is potentially much higher than he's already demonstrated.
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Doltos posted:I don't think Pitts is that fast that he can run those deep post/corner/go routes better than other X/Z receivers out there. Not that he's slow, just that he's not blistering fast enough that playing him inside is unthinkable. Stats back it up but every time I watch Pitts he seems to only be lining up outside in the redzone. Trask also kinda sucks so there's that. Either way the stand out stuff is how he finds soft zone coverage and wins pretty much every jump ball. That to me spells TE and is super valuable to the level of having a premier Z receiver. Just use him like Kelce. Have him line up in the slot or tight formations and use his alright to decent blocking in spot situations where you need it. Bingo bango, huge threat off the line that opens up all sorts of routes for your other WRs. OK, sure, you're not gonna routinely line up Pitts on the boundary. But you said it yourself, the stuff he can do offensively is like a premiere Z WR. If Pitts can be a 1b type weapon in an offense, that's fucntionally a WR in my book, regardless of where he actually lines up
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ASAPRockySituation posted:Pitts (6'6", 240) I'm legit now wondering if you're confusing Pitts with somebody else. He is very good at hand fighting, making contested catches, etc. Or maybe you heard/read some bad analysis, but that is definitely not the book on Pitts: https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1366861950622322694?s=20 https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1367934623880216580?s=20 https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1368733157953003525?s=20 Regarding sample size, it was a shortened season (SEC games only) and he took this hit that caused him to miss 2.5 games. https://twitter.com/sportsinjuryMD/status/1325197249018814464?s=20
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:OK, sure, you're not gonna routinely line up Pitts on the boundary. But you said it yourself, the stuff he can do offensively is like a premiere Z WR. If Pitts can be a 1b type weapon in an offense, that's fucntionally a WR in my book, regardless of where he actually lines up I get what you're saying then and essentially yeah it depends on where you're at on the field for when and where you use Pitts.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:OK, sure, you're not gonna routinely line up Pitts on the boundary. But you said it yourself, the stuff he can do offensively is like a premiere Z WR. If Pitts can be a 1b type weapon in an offense, that's fucntionally a WR in my book, regardless of where he actually lines up What? Why?
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The Puppy Bowl posted:What? Why? it’s based on his receiving load and his credibility as a deep threat; you can have him in packages as a substitute for a wideout without affecting what plays you need to call i don’t necessarily agree but i can see the logic
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Ehud posted:
georgia played dirty as poo poo last year
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Raku posted:georgia played dirty as poo poo last year yeah it owned if you aint hurtin people you aint playin hard enough
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https://theathletic.com/2438148/2021/03/10/2021-nfl-draft-scouts-size-up-top-prospects-on-offense/ Lying season so take this with a grain of salt. Though it's hard to imagine why anyone would blow smoke about Lawrence since he's guaranteed to go #1 regardless.
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