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Nitrousoxide posted:Does that mean "Punished Rome"? lost, according to google which is even better imo
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Have the final improvements to the UI dropped yet, or are people still waiting for changes to fix up some issues with the new UI? I've been waiting to have it happen before starting a new game, and learning what appears to now be a mechanically very different game.
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Mar 9, 2021 20:36
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I think the most complained about UI issue was the trade UI which was just reworked a bit in 2.0.2, and there's been a few other improvements. I haven't checked out the macro builder yet since it was almost totally worthless in 2.0 so hopefully that's better too.
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Mar 9, 2021 20:45
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I wonder why they nerfed building cost so hard, a lot of them were barely worth paying for to begin with.
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Mar 9, 2021 21:03
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Jabarto posted:I wonder why they nerfed building cost so hard, a lot of them were barely worth paying for to begin with. If you stacked a ton of different build cost modifiers you could get to something like 90% cost reduction so that might be why. It's a bit weird how there's a ton of garbage buildings that don't do anything useful but you want to build a foundry + temple + theater in every single city
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Mar 9, 2021 22:43
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Do I want my whole country to be covered by zones of control? These forts are getting expensive
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Mar 10, 2021 01:15
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a fatguy baldspot posted:Do I want my whole country to be covered by zones of control? These forts are getting expensive Forts are basically useless if you actually plan on expanding your empire at all. Delete all of them the second you take over territory, since the AI inevitably has built a hundred of them everywhere.
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Mar 10, 2021 01:28
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RabidWeasel posted:If you stacked a ton of different build cost modifiers you could get to something like 90% cost reduction so that might be why. Agreed. Settlement buildings are even worse, mines and farms are always good but slave estates are situational, barracks are less effective than cities if you want freemen, and I don't think I've ever built a legation or tribal settlement. a fatguy baldspot posted:Do I want my whole country to be covered by zones of control? These forts are getting expensive Probably not, I used to do this but it's really expensive and probably wasn't worth it even before the cost increase. Mostly you'll just want them on provincial capitals and/or very defensible chokepoints like mountain passes. That said, the new patch made them a bit cheaper so maybe you can be a bit more liberal with them.
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Mar 10, 2021 01:28
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AnoHito posted:Forts are basically useless if you actually plan on expanding your empire at all. Delete all of them the second you take over territory, since the AI inevitably has built a hundred of them everywhere. I haven't played in a while, but I did like forts at choke points and few other place to delay the inevitable barbarians or war declaration while all your armies are engaged at the other side of the time. But I really don't keep many of them.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:01
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I like keeping forts along the borders/in chokes because without them the AI will send in a million 2-4k stacks into your backfield to cap all your provincial capitals and burn down your holy sites. Even with forts it'll always find a gap in your defenses somewhere and do it anyway but the forts at least slow them up a little and make it a bit more manageable.
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Mar 10, 2021 03:01
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Also huge props to whomever suggested cozying up to the traditionalists and revoking holdings/scorning families to keep senate approval high. I've been able to keep senate approval around ~75% most of the time and right now in my Dumnonia game it's at 97%.
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Mar 10, 2021 03:14
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If you can get/keep approval over 75% you can take the dictatorship inventions and get rid of your senate for good. It's much easier to get a dictatorship now than it used to be. I did it in my Argos->Hellenic League game after getting both the "as a Greek republic" achievements and it was really satisfying, if a little disappointing that I didn't get renamed Hellenic Dictatorship or Hellenic Empire or something.
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Mar 10, 2021 03:20
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This game is better than it used to be.
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Mar 10, 2021 05:22
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:This game is better than it used to be. It’s super fun now tbh even if I’ve no idea what I’m doing. Should I be colonizing?? Do I need to move pops around?? I figured out integration but how do I assimilate??
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Mar 10, 2021 05:31
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a fatguy baldspot posted:It’s super fun now tbh even if I’ve no idea what I’m doing. Should I be colonizing?? Do I need to move pops around?? I figured out integration but how do I assimilate?? If you can colonize you should, it's very cheap land/pops. I only occasionally move pops but it's not really critical. Some reasons to do it include: -Getting 8 majority integrated and state religion pops in a territory in order to colonize a neighbouring territory -Hitting the threshold to unlock another building slot in a city -Getting enough slaves in a territory to produce more of its trade good because you want its bonus in your capital -Getting religious majority in a territory for missions -Getting a bigger workforce to build wonders more quickly Assimilation (like conversion) happens automatically, albeit slowly, on any unintegrated (or wrong religion) pops in your territories. It can be sped up with inventions, laws, buildings (in order of usefulness: theatres, marketplaces, and provincial legations), and/or by using the cultural assimilation governor policy. Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Mar 10, 2021 05:43
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You can also speed up integration by allowing intermarriage in the culture screen. Check the decisions there, theres some cool stuff.
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Mar 10, 2021 06:54
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a fatguy baldspot posted:It’s super fun now tbh even if I’ve no idea what I’m doing. Should I be colonizing?? Do I need to move pops around?? I figured out integration but how do I assimilate?? You are supposed to get most of your fun in a fleeting moment of not knowing the answers to those questions.
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Mar 10, 2021 07:18
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RabidWeasel posted:If you stacked a ton of different build cost modifiers you could get to something like 90% cost reduction so that might be why. Like I said earlier it's pretty weird that some buildings have no limit on how many you can build, and they're probably weaker to account for that. They should probably make them stronger but give them a limit.
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Mar 10, 2021 07:36
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Can someone link a good/not annoying LP that will teach my dumbass how to play this game in it's modern state?
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I think they should extend the game's timeline up to the death of Augustus. The game isn't called Imperators: Rome after all.AnoHito posted:Forts are basically useless if you actually plan on expanding your empire at all. Delete all of them the second you take over territory, since the AI inevitably has built a hundred of them everywhere. In my games they seem to love deleting forts as soon as they get ahold of any.
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Mar 10, 2021 09:48
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Dorkopotamis posted:Can someone link a good/not annoying LP that will teach my dumbass how to play this game in it's modern state? I honestly would be surprised if there are any, both due to the general lack of popularity of the game, and the fact that it just had a big update that changed everything. White Coke posted:In my games they seem to love deleting forts as soon as they get ahold of any. Lucky. I swear every 4 territory country I invade has 3 goddam forts in it.
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Mar 10, 2021 09:51
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Dorkopotamis posted:Can someone link a good/not annoying LP that will teach my dumbass how to play this game in it's modern state? this guy is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBp3zPePRp4 playlist of his guides (all for the updated version): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBp3zPePRp4&list=PLBFHMnSg-2ypZbImgNqTb7s83E6bMAcqc he's a bit long-winded but he actually knows the game. A lot of other videos I tried to watch would just rush through all the new features and go "wow cool!" (looking at you quil18)
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Mar 10, 2021 11:18
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AnoHito posted:Lucky. I swear every 4 territory country I invade has 3 goddam forts in it. I haven't played enough 2.0.2 to say if it's changed at all but it honestly feels like the AI barely scales the number of forts it retains with its size. I had the entire Seleucid Empire protected by a total of maybe 4 or 5 forts in a 2.0 game and their neighbour Armenia also had 4 forts. On an unrelated note, are there any meaningful changes to tribal reformation in 2.0 or do you still just want to push up centralisation and the civ value in your capital as quickly as possible to reform? RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Mar 10, 2021 11:54
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RabidWeasel posted:do you still just want to push up centralisation and the civ value in your capital as quickly as possible to reform? yes except now you do a mission tree at the end and you need high popularity iirc
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Mar 10, 2021 12:53
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That's what I thought, I never did any tribal reforms before 2.0 because getting your civ value up was such a loving chore but now you get it just from doing stuff you want to do anyway so that's cool. And I like the idea of playing as Scythia for a change instead of just conquering them.
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Mar 10, 2021 13:37
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The patch is a good improvement but they still haven't fixed the problem with province capitols moving after every war.
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Mar 10, 2021 21:24
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My province capitals have never changed. In fact I’m wondering if I have them in the right place? Is Chersonesus a good capital for the Bosporan Kingdom?
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Mar 10, 2021 23:08
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a fatguy baldspot posted:My province capitals have never changed. In fact I’m wondering if I have them in the right place? Is Chersonesus a good capital for the Bosporan Kingdom? It's pretty much the best territory for a capital on that side of the Black Sea, most of the others are frigid climate and on worse terrain.
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RabidWeasel posted:It's pretty much the best territory for a capital on that side of the Black Sea, most of the others are frigid climate and on worse terrain. That’s what I figured. What’s the best way to get more population capacity? I’m at 57/56 in my capital and the slave pops I capture in battle don’t seem to be going there anymore.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:That’s what I figured. What’s the best way to get more population capacity? I’m at 57/56 in my capital and the slave pops I capture in battle don’t seem to be going there anymore. Aquaducts and innovations. If you need more building slots there's a province development button that can give you an extra one in exchange for political influence
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Agean90 posted:Aquaducts and innovations. If you need more building slots there's a province development button that can give you an extra one in exchange for political influence Yeah I found those buttons they are useful. I’ll start building some aqueducts and squinting at the civics innovation screen
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Mar 10, 2021 23:43
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If your government has a civic slot there's also an idea that increases it by 25% globally.
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Mar 11, 2021 01:27
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Honestly even if it doesn't it can be worth it to take it. the benefits of matching civics aren't that goodp
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Mar 11, 2021 02:14
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Agean90 posted:Honestly even if it doesn't it can be worth it to take it. the benefits of matching civics aren't that goodp It depends on your exact government, some of them are great, and then you have autocratic monarchy giving you a massive 6% slave output modifier.
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I like the EU4/I:R ZoC system despite its quirks and flaws, but I feel like fortifications should be less important for this era. Border forts to prevent raids (tiny AI shitstacks swarming your interior while you're busy fighting the war) feels right, but this wasn't an era of castles and it certainly wasn't the era of EYW style star fort siege warfare. I don't know if the AI could properly handle it, but I feel like there should be increased warscore for battles, as many (most?) wars during antiquity were decided with decisive engagements, rather than sieges and taking/holding land. Increasing the emphasis on bringing your opponents main forces to battle, combined with the supply system (which is great), and the link of armies to pops, I think would make the warfare in I:R stand out from similar games.
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In my experience forts just become speedbumps once your big enough to be a regional power, and even the built up ones stop mattering if your a major. Like the lovely level one forts you can just assault. I don't even bother sieging them down, just assault them right off the bat and they'll usually go down if you have 5000 or more troops. Use mercenaries and it doesn't even cost manpower. For bigger forts I'll try to reduce the garrison a bit but if you get a breach in the wall you can go ham and save yourself the time
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Assaults are probably a little too easy in this patch. I think they reduced the garrison sizes without changing the rest of the numbers to compensate? Manpower's cheap, too, so the casualties don't even hurt so much.
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Mar 11, 2021 16:43
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I'd like to see walled cities and "border fort" type defenses work differently. The latter can stay the same as they are now but there should be some way to make your cities more defensible without having to build a wall of forts around them or just building a fort in each individual city.
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Mar 11, 2021 17:49
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I mean one of the most famous fort battles in all of human history happened in this time period so they definitely are important (Alesia)
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Not saying they're not important, just that they are too EU4-like right now. This is also the era of some of the largest and most important land battles of all time, and those outnumber and have more name recognition that the sieges, I'd wager. Sieges rarely decided the war in this era. Right now I can smash the enemy army to pieces in a pitched battle (if I catch them before they hide behind their forts), but then I still have to siege down a bunch of their poo poo to get the warscore. I wanna play as Aemilius Paulus, Hannibal, and Alexander, not as Maurice of Nassau. Right now it feels like every war is 5-10 Alesias until your army is powerful enough, and then Alesia isn't even something that is possible anymore. Not really providing actionable criticism here, I just feel the prevalence of EU4 style sieges feels wrong in this era
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