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TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

An e-sports career is only slightly more realistic than 'winning the lottery' as a career.

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NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

50,000 hours of gaming at a respectable 6hrs a day is just short of 23 years, a determined kid with supportive parents could get that dream job by age 30.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
DO YOU LAUGH IN THE FACE OF KILLER GOOMBAS?

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

FMguru posted:

DO YOU LAUGH IN THE FACE OF KILLER GOOMBAS?

it didn’t work out for billy batts

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

TOOT BOOT posted:

An e-sports career is only slightly more realistic than 'winning the lottery' as a career.
pretty sure saying heated gamer words doesn't gently caress up your lottery win though

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Do Androids Dream Of...

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
did you lift echi's phone or something?

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

tfw u give the captain a compressed air captive bolt pistol

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
also to get back to aliens for a sec i genuinely believe there's probably a lot of life out there on other planets but 99.99% of them are the space equivalents to like dinosaurs or bugs or something and just don't have any ability or interest in communicating or traveling outside of their planet. life could be common even if intelligent life isn't

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

Kenny Logins posted:

pretty sure saying heated gamer words doesn't gently caress up your lottery win though

Remember when that NASCAR driver had a Gamer Moment during a livestreamed iRacing event last year early in lockdown, then got fired, then managed to stay under the radar enough all summer to get re-hired by another team and is currently back racing

Just saying, it's not always career ending if you're profitable enough! Shoot for the moon!

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Improbable Lobster posted:

also to get back to aliens for a sec i genuinely believe there's probably a lot of life out there on other planets but 99.99% of them are the space equivalents to like dinosaurs or bugs or something and just don't have any ability or interest in communicating or traveling outside of their planet. life could be common even if intelligent life isn't

this tbh
there's also the possibility there's a whole bunch of intelligent life and we're actually just the furthest along technologically
the other fuckers could still be burning witches n poo poo

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I believe there's a lot of life out there but we'll never know because communication between star systems is entirely infeasible, the power and time requirements are too high

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
also if we ever make contact it'll be looooong after i'm dead lol

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?
I think they're out there, and they hate us, and Independence Day was a physically accurate representation of what's to come.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
including a redneck fighter pilot flying a nuke right up a giant ufo sphincter

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Improbable Lobster posted:

also to get back to aliens for a sec i genuinely believe there's probably a lot of life out there on other planets but 99.99% of them are the space equivalents to like dinosaurs or bugs or something and just don't have any ability or interest in communicating or traveling outside of their planet. life could be common even if intelligent life isn't

yeah there is almost certainly bacteria of some sort that feasts on geothermal vents or mineral diffusion into a fluid on any sort of planet with water (or any liquid). earth probably had some soon after it stopped being a molten magma hell a couple billion years ago. and when there’s bacteria that feasts off heat and minerals, there’s bacteria that then feasts off other bacteria and then larger ones. there’s probably a lot of life as being almost as common as water. “intelligent” could range but also like dolphins, whales, and monkeys are intelligent and likely somewhat “common”; insanely galaxy brained species are probably quite an exception

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Xaris posted:

insanely galaxy brained species are probably quite an exception

those are all on alien twitter

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Xaris posted:

yeah there is almost certainly bacteria of some sort that feasts on geothermal vents or mineral diffusion into a fluid on any sort of planet with water (or any liquid). earth probably had some soon after it stopped being a molten magma hell a couple billion years ago. and when there’s bacteria that feasts off heat and minerals, there’s bacteria that then feasts off other bacteria and then larger ones. there’s probably a lot of life as being almost as common as water. “intelligent” could range but also like dolphins, whales, and monkeys are intelligent and likely somewhat “common”; insanely galaxy brained species are probably quite an exception

lol remember when fishmech (or stymie?) had some weird definition of life that basically meant only life on earth counted, and whatever is out there didnt count, so therefore there is not and never will be extraterrestrial life qed

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Xaris posted:

yeah there is almost certainly bacteria of some sort that feasts on geothermal vents or mineral diffusion into a fluid on any sort of planet with water (or any liquid). earth probably had some soon after it stopped being a molten magma hell a couple billion years ago. and when there’s bacteria that feasts off heat and minerals, there’s bacteria that then feasts off other bacteria and then larger ones. there’s probably a lot of life as being almost as common as water. “intelligent” could range but also like dolphins, whales, and monkeys are intelligent and likely somewhat “common”; insanely galaxy brained species are probably quite an exception

i expect there to be bacteria like species elsewhere in the cosmos. there's probably also some kind of algae or maybe plants. higher life i think is probably not as common as we hope it is, though i'm not suggesting it's impossible

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
given the sheer scale of the universe there’s probably a whole shitload of intelligent life but I am in the camp of the great filter being any species that rises to the top of their local area will just kill themselves off because of local resource wars. we’re almost there!

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I just finished the collected war dogs trilogy by greg bear, it was overall entertaining but it really feels like he had a 2 book story he was contractually obligated to extend to a trilogy because genre books come in trilogies now. the story stalls for a couple hundred pages in the third book before wrapping up in the last 75. it was decent as a military scifi page turner coupled with some high concept stuff until about 1/3 of the way through book 3

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
I haven’t read much by Greg bear except for the halo books he did (lol) and Eon, which I Fuckin loved. I’ve always been into Cold War era sci fi just to get a peek into the anxieties of the day and it’s always those god damned Russians.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Eon also had the cool administrator dude who doesnt even think about sex, but whose first order of business when visiting earth is to hire a sex worker and also constantly gets horny around several of the female characters

but he doesnt care about sex that much

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

Carthag Tuek posted:

Eon also had the cool administrator dude who doesnt even think about sex, but whose first order of business when visiting earth is to hire a sex worker and also constantly gets horny around several of the female characters

but he doesnt care about sex that much

i don't remember that at all. i think i block out all the weird sex stuff sci fi authors throw in as a defense mechanism

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



tbh it was more lol than gross because its so hamfisted

Carthag Tuek posted:

reading Eon by greg bear & this character Lanier is repeatedly described as not caring about sex but earlier he hired an escort as the first thing after returning from space and now he's super horny again. seems like he cares a lot about sex to me :raise:

but seriously wtf

quote:

Sexual passion had seldom dominated Lanier; his drives were normal enough, but he had always been able to ignore them, or control them in inappropriate situations. His two-year celibacy on the Stone had been less a hardship for him than it might have been for others. Nevertheless, he had never been hornier in his life than he was at this peaceful moment.

Despite the advantages, he had always felt faintly shamed of his lack of masculine anguish, as if it made him some sort of cold fish. Now the passion was upon him with a vengeance. It was all he could do to keep from stealing back through the curtain and fondling Farley. The desire was both funny and agonizing. He felt like a pubescent teenager, sweaty with need and unsure what to do about it.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Fart Sandwiches posted:

given the sheer scale of the universe there’s probably a whole shitload of intelligent life but I am in the camp of the great filter being any species that rises to the top of their local area will just kill themselves off because of local resource wars. we’re almost there!

this is a common argument but it relies on a lot of assumptions about how readily life will evolve from abiotic environments. the scale of the universe means nothing if the chances are excruciatingly small.

if life has a one in one trillion chance on average of developing from a sterile environment then you'd expect one planet to have life for every ten milky ways (and we're being generous with this; only 6 billion planets are thought to likely be considered earthlike of the approximate 100 billion thought to exist in this galaxy, many of which are unlikely to ever be able to support life). and that's life period, not "intelligent life", by whichever metric you want to judge that. even then, huge parts of the galaxy may simply be utterly inimical to life if it does arise and quickly snuff it. sure there are many billions of galaxies but even then every step in the evolution of life on its way to what we'd consider intelligent aliens is going to further cut down on that number.

i'd revise the chance upward if we find life elsewhere in this solar system. and if that life doesn't share a phylogeny with earth life only then do i think life could justifiably be described as likely common.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Aliens are out there and are a key peoples in the workers's struggle.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

mediaphage posted:

the scale of the universe means nothing if the chances are excruciatingly small

at the same time, the universe is excruciatingly large, and we really know very little about how life began and how life becomes complex and/or intelligent

the numbers involved are way too far outside the bounds of human intuition to even guess at and as a result the drake equation only says what the reader's biases are

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
i wonder if we'll ever see what's under europa's ice in my lifetime

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
my favorite theory about Where Are They is the rare earth hypothesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Improbable Lobster posted:

i wonder if we'll ever see what's under europa's ice in my lifetime

its Finns, op

e: sorry i misread

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

haveblue posted:

at the same time, the universe is excruciatingly large, and we really know very little about how life began and how life becomes complex and/or intelligent

the numbers involved are way too far outside the bounds of human intuition to even guess at and as a result the drake equation only says what the reader's biases are

yes no poo poo

i only take issue with everyone throwing out stuff like "space is so big life is clearly everywhere"

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
screenshots of the new evangelion

https://imgur.com/a/EPHSwTZ

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

mediaphage posted:

this is a common argument but it relies on a lot of assumptions about how readily life will evolve from abiotic environments. the scale of the universe means nothing if the chances are excruciatingly small.

if life has a one in one trillion chance on average of developing from a sterile environment then you'd expect one planet to have life for every ten milky ways (and we're being generous with this; only 6 billion planets are thought to likely be considered earthlike of the approximate 100 billion thought to exist in this galaxy, many of which are unlikely to ever be able to support life). and that's life period, not "intelligent life", by whichever metric you want to judge that. even then, huge parts of the galaxy may simply be utterly inimical to life if it does arise and quickly snuff it. sure there are many billions of galaxies but even then every step in the evolution of life on its way to what we'd consider intelligent aliens is going to further cut down on that number.

i'd revise the chance upward if we find life elsewhere in this solar system. and if that life doesn't share a phylogeny with earth life only then do i think life could justifiably be described as likely common.

That's also assuming a right-now timeframe. Given the billions of years that have elapsed it could be intelligent life has sprung up, we just missed them by a billion or so years.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

mediaphage posted:

(and we're being generous with this; only 6 billion planets are thought to likely be considered earthlike of the approximate 100 billion thought to exist in this galaxy,

lol no, more like 40 billion conservatively

they're constantly revising earth analog estimates tho, :rip: the kepler telescope

and that's just "earth-like," there's also superhabitable planets, places that are presumably better than earth for life

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


mediaphage posted:

yes no poo poo

i only take issue with everyone throwing out stuff like "space is so big life is clearly everywhere"

otoh (what we consider) intelligent life has definitely evolved once, and it would be super weird if that was the only case. Most things in the universe appear in vast numbers, so I'd kind of expect life too as well. Of course, there's always a biggest black hole, most stable orbit, but it would seem weird if intelligent life was a singular event.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
time and distance mean that even if life is super duper ultra common we're probably just too far away from anything to meaningfully interact with it

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol no, more like 40 billion conservatively

they're constantly revising earth analog estimates tho, :rip: the kepler telescope

and that's just "earth-like," there's also superhabitable planets, places that are presumably better than earth for life

Isn't most of our search for other lifeforms like us? I imagine it's perfectly reasonable to think that intelligent noncarbon based lifeforms, or ones which have evolved to suit the needs of their planet exist.

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distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Improbable Lobster posted:

time and distance mean that even if life is super duper ultra common we're probably just too far away from anything to meaningfully interact with it

Imagine just detecting it though. What would that do to society? Are there any short stories about us detecting something like the arecibo message. I feel like it has the potential to be super frustrating as well as cool.

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