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hobbesmaster posted:i mean the worst case scenario for doing some leetcode problems is learning to be a better programmer so i'd say go ahead and do that? OK yeah I figured it was an obvious enough answer. What does pseudocode even mean, like am I going to have to write actual functioning code on the spot, or just give a logical flow about how I would code something?
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it basically means writing code logic in english. something likecode:
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Mar 12, 2021 22:43
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i wouldn't worry about it, python is pseudocode why yes i write c and c++, how could you tell
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Mar 12, 2021 22:43
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If you're just starting out I wouldn't recommend leetcode as it's really geared more to applying CS to finding optimal solutions. Something like CS50 or the lighthouse 21 day coding challenge might be better if you're just starting out. I think you'd be a really good candidate to take a boot camp actually, especially if you're able to take a part time one on evenings or weekends and keep your job.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:44
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cs50 is cool and good
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as a disclaimer I haven't actually done test engineering, only worked with people who do semiconductor test programs aren't terribly complicated and I doubt you'd be asked to do crazy bullshit with algorithms. the most complicated type of problem I ever encountered was a binary search to determine breakdown voltage. you'll probably be asked fizz buzz type of questions to see if you understand logic and program flow not sure what you do in your current job but you should probably have a good understanding of what types of tests a prober is doing and how it accomplishes them
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Mar 12, 2021 23:15
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Truman Peyote posted:it basically means writing code logic in english. something like OK cool, this is kind of how I approach my scripts on pen & paper already. Unfortunately I think the interview is going to get scheduled next week so I'm a bit crunched on time. But I think I'll start with the CS50 lecture on python. I took an intro Java class in college so a lot of it feels familiar. Would it be a good idea to bring up some of the output of the scripts that I've got running in the interview, considering it's internal? So, for example, I've got scripts which I use to parse a bunch of tool controller logs into csvs that I join with some larger dataset to produce email/webpage reports, pareto charts for tool alarms, etc. My code itself is janky but my group has been happy with the output.
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Mar 12, 2021 23:16
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yeah, if you've written stuff that works and you're confident talking about how it works, that's a great idea. I don't expect you'll be able to bring it in to show it off but you should always talk about your relevant past successes in an interview.
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Mar 12, 2021 23:25
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dragon enthusiast posted:as a disclaimer I haven't actually done test engineering, only worked with people who do Yeah I'm the go-to on our team for looking at these test programs. My understanding is that this group uses a lot of test methods written by another internal organization to develop the test program for a particular product. I do have a good understanding of the types of tests and how they get executed... mainly for hardware debug issues and figuring out what is causing binning issues on my tools. Most of the time I've spent debugging any test program is just to figure out what test some failure corresponds to, and then figuring out what hardware issue would actually cause that test to fail. I enjoy those kinds of problems, so that's the main reason I'm trying to move to this job. Truman Peyote posted:yeah, if you've written stuff that works and you're confident talking about how it works, that's a great idea. I don't expect you'll be able to bring it in to show it off but you should always talk about your relevant past successes in an interview. OK sweet, I'll make sure to have it all primed and ready to go. I was planning on talking about it anyways but I wasn't sure if doing show-and-tell is acceptable, as I probably wouldn't be able to show it off in an external interview.
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Truman Peyote posted:yeah, if you've written stuff that works and you're confident talking about how it works, that's a great idea. I don't expect you'll be able to bring it in to show it off but you should always talk about your relevant past successes in an interview. also remember words like "variable" and that the return key is same and enter etc
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Mar 14, 2021 14:43
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the place I'm interviewing with just went with base salary + 15% bonus (not guaranteed) + transport allowance amounting to what I assumed was base compensation should I take that? I don't think there's any room for negotiation, it's a large multinational this is the UK so it's less than £45k total feels a bit like a dick move tbh
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Mar 16, 2021 13:02
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Private Speech posted:the place I'm interviewing with just went with base salary + 15% bonus (not guaranteed) + transport allowance amounting to what I assumed was base compensation there’s always room to negotiate
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Mar 16, 2021 13:11
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Private Speech posted:the place I'm interviewing with just went with base salary + 15% bonus (not guaranteed) + transport allowance amounting to what I assumed was base compensation as foo says there's always room to negotiate. also will this be an increase in comp or is this a lateral move just to get out of the dumpster fire?
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Mar 16, 2021 13:18
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PIZZA.BAT posted:as foo says there's always room to negotiate. also will this be an increase in comp or is this a lateral move just to get out of the dumpster fire? both, but mainly the second I'll probably go with it, looking at glassdoor it's an exact match for my job title at the company so honestly what do I have to complain about it's my first time getting a bonus-dependent compensation though e: also I get a bunch of extra perks as well, nothing I'd exactly need, like private health insurance for myself and (if married) family, that sort of thing, so again it's not that bad Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Mar 16, 2021 13:32
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You should ask about what the typical bonus payout in a given year is.
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Yeah and also what the metrics are for the bonus. I don't know how the bonus culture works in the UK so I can't really comment on how reliable that will be.
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Mar 16, 2021 13:42
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Private Speech posted:both, but mainly the second "hi hiring manager, thanks for sending this over, it looks quite good. is there any flexibility on the base salary? when i'm looking at it in comparison to my current compensation it would be a much easier decision if we could get closer to £45,000. best, ps"
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isn't the usual wisdom of the pos to not count the bonus when discussing salary? the advice might have come from the corporate thread in the grey forums, but the wisdom is the same: You might never see that bonus
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Mar 16, 2021 14:27
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Boiled Water posted:isn't the usual wisdom of the pos to not count the bonus when discussing salary? no- that's pre-ipo stock. bonuses are highly variant from company to company on a spectrum from 'basically part of your base pay' to 'lol you loving idiot' you shouldn't include future potential bonuses in large purchases or depend on them for your month-to-month budget but that's just being good with money in general
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Mar 16, 2021 14:33
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It varies by industry as well. In finance, you can generally count on receiving a large portion of your bonus as long as they're not trying to fire you. Tech companies tend to vary a bit more.
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yeah exactly. when i was in consulting my bonus was based on hard metrics where if you didn't get it it meant you should probably be updating your resume or it meant that the company was in dire financial straits and.... you should be updating your resume 
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Mar 16, 2021 14:39
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Destroyenator posted:"hi hiring manager, yeah do this. you already have a job, leverage that for more money
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Mar 16, 2021 14:54
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Destroyenator posted:"hi hiring manager, don’t mention it relation to your current comp, mention it in relation to your other offers it doesn’t matter if you have other offers
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also drop the passive language. don't say 'could we get closer to 45k?' instead say, 'i can accept if the offer is $45k'
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my bonus is guaranteed by the offer letter I signed. my last job would piss in my face and call it a bonus. employment is a land of contrast
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my bonus at my new company was £300, I think at my last place it was £5500 or so. base pay is 10k more so it’s cool but god drat i liked that lump sum
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thanks for the advice, I'll try to give them a bit of a push and see what comes up it's a consulting place and the bonus is based on iirc 70% utilisation - supposed to also be the metric/level for redundancy so should be fairly guaranteed
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Captain Foo posted:don’t mention it relation to your current comp, mention it in relation to your other offers you can also take it out entirely: "is there any flexibility on the base salary? it would be a much easier decision if we could get closer to £45,000." *of course this is only at this stage of the process and you're not even really telling them your comp, standard advice of never name a number first etc. PIZZA.BAT posted:also drop the passive language. don't say 'could we get closer to 45k?' instead say, 'i can accept if the offer is $45k' yeah, entirely up to the op. in this case they're already happy with ~39 so 42 would probably be a nice compromise bump and setting a hard line at 45 might be too strong if they have to walk it back? 
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Private Speech posted:thanks for the advice, I'll try to give them a bit of a push and see what comes up yeah that's a safe bonus then. very much in the category of, 'if you miss this two quarters in a row then you've got bigger problems than your bonus'
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Destroyenator posted:yeah, entirely up to the op. in this case they're already happy with ~39 so 42 would probably be a nice compromise bump and setting a hard line at 45 might be too strong if they have to walk it back? it's standard negotiating and that's not drawing any hard lines. it's just a simple statement of 'i want 45' if you tell them you'll accept under 45 then they'll offer under 45. you're undermining your own negotiation without them even having to do it.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:it's standard negotiating and that's not drawing any hard lines. it's just a simple statement of 'i want 45' Private Speech posted:thanks for the advice, I'll try to give them a bit of a push and see what comes up
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LMBO I just did a coding exercise for another company via hackerrank (but it was written by the company) and I'm pretty sure their automated tests have a bug in it either I have the biggest egg on my face right now, which, well, is possible but what can you do, or I got really lucky regardless that was a fun phone call and email to write - hey candidate here I think your automated tests are wrong here's why e: if I'm correct that's got to be worth a few points in my favour right Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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oofa doofa I hope you spent a lot of time making sure you were sure because a memory like that would haunt me for the rest of my life if I was wrong
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Corla Plankun posted:oofa doofa I hope you spent a lot of time making sure you were sure because a memory like that would haunt me for the rest of my life if I was wrong I was a bit pressed for time, but I'm about, uh, 90% sure? I've copied the code to VS to play around with. If I'm wrong, well, at least I already have an offer somewhere else. Would be a fun anecdote. e: I'll PM it to you via pastebin, I haven't signed any NDA but it would still be a rather poor form to post e2: I also think there's another minor error, in the specification for removeCurrent(), which could cause a segfault under a certain condition and which I've covered by an extra check (specifically if there is no next() element, i.e. if the current element is the tail, then it's not possible to set current to next(), so I set it to previous() instead b/c what else was I supposed to do). Also I still don't think I'm wrong despite looking at it for a while longer. e3: OTOH I found a serious memory leak in my implementation (circular shared_ptr) so really it's a wash at best. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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starting to navigate the hellscape that is the job market. are there places to work programming that don’t make you want to quit programming? please I want to hope again
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Private Speech posted:LMBO I just did a coding exercise for another company via hackerrank (but it was written by the company) and I'm pretty sure their automated tests have a bug in it If you're right and its a good place to work they'll give you bonus points. If it's an awful place to work you will know before going on to whatever comes after their challenge syntaxrigger posted:starting to navigate the hellscape that is the job market. are there places to work programming that don’t make you want to quit programming? please I want to hope again either enough money or whatever is close to your computer touching heart. I settled for enough money
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Boiled Water posted:If you're right and its a good place to work they'll give you bonus points. If it's an awful place to work you will know before going on to whatever comes after their challenge I am definitely experiencing diminishing returns on more money but I also feel like I have had a bad few years of working at places that are exploitative. I feel like I need to find some interesting technology products that pay people money for code.
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syntaxrigger posted:starting to navigate the hellscape that is the job market. are there places to work programming that don’t make you want to quit programming? please I want to hope again for what it's worth, i started working at a company in august and i'm still super happy. i went through a recruiter and had a really good feeling during the interview, so i would say keep an eye out for that? but yeah, good places still exist. the pay ain't bad either for my experience
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I work at a company that makes me want to _start_ programming it would beat sitting in 20 hours of meetings per week, interspersed with slack conversations and JIRA wrangling like seriously, how tf am I supposed to get my actual tickets finished when I'm spending 25% of my week talking about how my tickets aren't finished yet, 35% of my week in other meetings, and 20% responding to Slack messages Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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of course here I am posting on yospos instead of actually programming so IDK
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