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Anyway apropos is right; whatever china is doing is at best cultural assimilation, which if you ask me is basically the level 1 noob version of genocide. It's just that criticism is really rich coming from Americans. We had death camps for native americans lol, not to mention our current day atrocities. I can barely even process being upset at cultural erasure because of it, not that that's a good thing to be numb to.
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Larry Parrish posted:Anyway apropos is right; whatever china is doing is at best cultural assimilation, which if you ask me is basically the level 1 noob version of genocide. It's just that criticism is really rich coming from Americans. We had death camps for native americans lol, not to mention our current day atrocities. I can barely even process being upset at cultural erasure because of it, not that that's a good thing to be numb to. i mean the current choice for most native americans today is still "either suffer on an underdeveloped and underfunded reservation or assimilate"
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a Loving Dog posted:Okay reporting back: you may post freely and without consequence about the final solution to the Uighur problem in bad FYAD threads before they get beecocked. Thank u for ur service
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Larry Parrish posted:Anyway apropos is right; whatever china is doing is at best cultural assimilation they didn’t say that though, they said 100% guilty of some “if not all” of what they’re accused of, and they’re accused of way worse and more ridiculous things than cultural assimilation (which is bad)
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indigi posted:they didn’t say that though, they said 100% guilty of some “if not all” of what they’re accused of, and they’re accused of way worse and more ridiculous things than cultural assimilation (which is bad) i dont think were working off the same accusation lists here... which american propaganda outlet issued yours?
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"cultural assimilation" might be too strong, it's like coercive integration into the urban labor force and suppression of specific religious or cultural practices deemed pathways to wahhabism or similar. pretty much all such integration is de facto coercive even when it happens "naturally" of course but china is doing it manually and on an accelerated schedule, basically forcing what's supposed to happen by default in a liberal cultural melting pot
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lol that people think homex was banned for genocide denial rather than realizing "wow this isnt worth it" and self banning when every liberal in the forum was crawling to QCS to get their flaccid owns in like that scene in i robot
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indigi posted:they didn’t say that though, they said 100% guilty of some “if not all” of what they’re accused of, and they’re accused of way worse and more ridiculous things than cultural assimilation (which is bad) I choose to believe that apropos meant credible sources. I'm not sure I believe any source as being credible but since I'm not retarded I trust probably the most politically educated guy in this subforum of taking two seconds to approach a subject objectively.
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Eox posted:lol that people think homex was banned for genocide denial rather than realizing "wow this isnt worth it" and self banning when every liberal in the forum was crawling to QCS to get their flaccid owns in like that scene in i robot They're very stupid dumbasses, and hell, Raskolnikov was saying that just the other day, which in retrospect maybe the Macarthur avatar isn't very ironic
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Eox posted:lol that people think homex was banned for genocide denial rather than realizing "wow this isnt worth it" and self banning when every liberal in the forum was crawling to QCS to get their flaccid owns in like that scene in i robot always take your posting enemies out with you
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Mar 12, 2021 23:27
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Larry Parrish posted:They're very stupid dumbasses, and hell, Raskolnikov was saying that just the other day, which in retrospect maybe the Macarthur avatar isn't very ironic I said he was made an admin via getting chain probed by fyad
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my sources are chinese socialists
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my chinese socialist sources disagree
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my chinese socialists told me to tell you your chinese socialists are a bunch of bougie reactionaries
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THS posted:my chinese socialist sources disagree 
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im not sure what they disagree about, since you are being a little vague on what exactly the sources say. i dont think even the Genocide Denialists would deny there is coerced cultural assimilation occurring. the kind of accusations i see on reddit, and here, go way beyond that, and the sources they cite are quite suspect!
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dissident chinese socialists or "socialists" run the gamut of ideologies and have plenty of reason to echo US propaganda whether or not they believe it
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china does arrest leftists who protest loudly enough, and “based xi” or whatever being a meme is almost as annoying as those loving assad memes, but at the same time idk what a good reaction is to a decades long streak of terrorist attacks attached or adjacent to an iffy independence movement tho the guy you mentioned is a trot turned socdem so idk why they would bother arresting him lol
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Mar 12, 2021 23:42
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my guiding stars on this issue are thus: 1. my opinion on it doesn't loving matter 2. how do you think refugees that are both chinese and muslim would be treated in the US if they went to war with china
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you know, the country full of people who will stab you on a bus for not speaking american
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i've been in contact with several esteemed russian socialists such as martov and zhordania and am hearing VERY troubling things about the union of so-called "socialist" republics
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I’m talking about forced assimilation. I’ve only recently heard about sources saying there’s like mass graves and poo poo which I’m sceptical of and have not heard reported from any comrades. but definitely assimilation in the west and arresting political dissidents, mostly maoists but a lot of the young Chinese left identify as maoists even if it’s not what a lot of socialists in the west would call Maoism. it sounds like they’re experiencing a similar phenomenon as the youth in the us where here a lot of young people broadly identify as socialist even if they’re not clear on what exactly that means and can range from anarchist to progressive liberal. similar there except identify as maoists specifically but either way hostile to the ccp.
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Eox posted:you know, the country full of people who will stab you on a bus for not speaking american i used to work in international schools so i've probably said "speak english" more than even the angriest of racists have but one time i accidentally said "speak american" and i've never been more embarrassed in my life
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lol it’s kind of a testament to how far the socialist left in the us has fallen that the idea of having comrades and perspectives internationally can only be considered a joke. socialism being international isn’t just a slogan ya know? you wanna read their insights here’s their website https://chinaworker.info/en/ if you think they’re the cia or whatever else cool more power to you, but those are my comrades and have the privilege to speak to a few of them and it’s pretty exciting the new left that’s forming in China now despite the obstacles which are tremendous there. in any event, gently caress the mods of this and the other forums.
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learning mandarin so i can post with maoists on the utopia forum instead of dealing with pedo mods
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Trash Ops posted:learning mandarin so i can post with maoists on the utopia forum instead of dealing with pedo mods based
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apropos to nothing posted:lol it’s kind of a testament to how far the socialist left in the us has fallen that the idea of having comrades and perspectives internationally can only be considered a joke. socialism being international isn’t just a slogan ya know? you wanna read their insights here’s their website https://chinaworker.info/en/ if you think they’re the cia or whatever else cool more power to you, but those are my comrades and have the privilege to speak to a few of them and it’s pretty exciting the new left that’s forming in China now despite the obstacles which are tremendous there. in any event, gently caress the mods of this and the other forums. deeply disingenuous phrasing on your part, as though the question is whether to consider the perspective of foreign socialists at all and not whether to consider the perspectives of the mass of foreign socialists engaged in construction as opposed to a dissident minority who think it's all being done wrong
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apropos to nothing posted:I’m talking about forced assimilation. I’ve only recently heard about sources saying there’s like mass graves and poo poo which I’m sceptical of and have not heard reported from any comrades. but definitely assimilation in the west and arresting political dissidents, mostly maoists but a lot of the young Chinese left identify as maoists even if it’s not what a lot of socialists in the west would call Maoism. it sounds like they’re experiencing a similar phenomenon as the youth in the us where here a lot of young people broadly identify as socialist even if they’re not clear on what exactly that means and can range from anarchist to progressive liberal. similar there except identify as maoists specifically but either way hostile to the ccp. So the Chinese version of the 60s?
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the CCP has to be communist after all its right there in the name
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ironically enough that actually is the cia line
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Ferrinus posted:deeply disingenuous phrasing on your part, as though the question is whether to consider the perspective of foreign socialists at all and not whether to consider the perspectives of the mass of foreign socialists engaged in construction as opposed to a dissident minority who think it's all being done wrong being done wrong as well as the importance of writing hefty amounts of material about leon trotsky
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apropos to nothing posted:the CCP has to be communist after all its right there in the name see? you aren't actually uniquely upholding the idea of international socialism, you're just picking and choosing who counts based on sectarian preference, no more credible than someone who thinks real socialism in the ussr died at kronstadt
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ToxicAcne posted:So the Chinese version of the 60s? yeah i don't see how that actually leads to good things, student is a transitory status that turns into hedge fund manager apropos to nothing posted:anarchist to progressive liberal and outside of how much the person bathes, these are effectively the same thing
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apropos to nothing posted:ironically enough that actually is the cia line the benevolent americans understand that the foundation of an international order based on human rights starts with respecting the self-identification of all states
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anyway im less interested in the communist or not-communist nature of china (in this discussion), than i am in the constantly churning escalating rhetoric, and hysterical narratives being built up to juice the american public for the Big Bad - and countering those narratives is extremely important, because americans en masse adopting the mindset that china is the new nazi germany is more dangerous than anything else - well maybe second to climate change - but it’s pretty up there as far as both threats to human existence, and as creating an enemy outsider to focus on and hate, in attempts to whip americans into a disciplined nationalism so they ignore all of our own way more hosed up bullshit
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Ferrinus posted:see? you aren't actually uniquely upholding the idea of international socialism, you're just picking and choosing who counts based on sectarian preference, no more credible than someone who thinks real socialism in the ussr died at kronstadt China has a one party communist state and more billionaires than any other country in the world. if the CCP are socialists then they’re bad at it.
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THS posted:anyway im less interested in the communist or not-communist nature of china (in this discussion), than i am in the constantly churning escalating rhetoric, and hysterical narratives being built up to juice the american public for the Big Bad - and countering those narratives is extremely important, because americans en masse adopting the mindset that china is the new nazi germany is more dangerous than anything else - well maybe second to climate change - but it’s pretty up there as far as both threats to human existence, and as creating an enemy outsider to focus on and hate, in attempts to whip americans into a disciplined nationalism so they ignore all of our own way more hosed up bullshit lol with what america's becoming, marketing china as the new nazi germany would make them america's ally
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Dustcat posted:lol with what america's becoming, marketing china as the new nazi germany would make them america's ally loving hell get out of this thread
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Dustcat posted:lol with what america's becoming, marketing china as the new nazi germany would make them america's ally that doesnt really make any sense but thanks for posting
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