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I feel like this should prob be the purest form of "poo poo banned under the 5th amendment" but don't mess with texas I guess
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Marzzle posted:I feel like this should prob be the purest form of "poo poo banned under the 5th amendment" but don't mess with texas I guess most of "forensic science" is absolute bullshit, from "fire science" where you "think like fire", to hair analysis that is 96% flawed, to the good old lie detector
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Settling for the Jolly West/McVeigh connection while I wait for the Jolly West/Kaczynski connection. https://twitter.com/BTH_Bill/status/1369865029231775746
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Please. Why is it all connected
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SurgicalOntologist posted:very true, I've been on all sides of that (student, technician, researcher) and basically no one takes it seriously and everyone is more or less from the same socio-economic background (not only university student, but more specifically freshman in psych 1) imo the bigger problem is that academic psychology has no method to speak of at all. it doesn't even have a way of measuring the phenomena it purports to explain. where is behavior? what is behavior? it's whatever I define it to be, and it's where I can conveniently sample that. but that isn't a problem for psychology. its actually good, because at least since skinner, and especially since the cognitive revolution, academic psychology has been in the business of reifying individualism. if you aren't taking the individual as your basic unit of analysis for behavior, then outside of niche theoretical spaces like ecological psychology and perceptual control theory, you are by informal definition not doing psychology. no one's saying "it's wrong to research behavior that way", but no one in psychology will fund it, because it isn't, conceptually, psychology. it isn't sociology either. it isn't really any major academic field. but it is counter-terrorism. it is command and control.  the big consequence of that is how it plays out over time. cognitive psychology in particular is basically multi-agent solipsism: only the individual is real. all the things between and comprising individuals? mere illusions. this affords nonsensical hypotheses, like sitting on wobbly chairs leading to romantic breakups, or maybe you just come right out and say "working memory isn't meant to be an objective model of reality, it is merely a 'productive' model" and let people run with it. suppose we simulate the oversimplified model where all the hypotheses are objectively wrong but 5% make the cut. that's where the lack of method really comes in: each paper past the finish line becomes a new node in the belief network, and each of those 5% of papers can be used to generate new nodes, and the 5% of those can be added to the first 5%, and so forth. phds are minted, careers are made. a few generations later, you have an entire belief network with all the trappings of peer review and statistics, which still affords infinite degrees of explanatory freedom, and if it was ever otherwise, no living person can remember that. go ahead. publish a critique of my stupid bullshit. it only makes my impact factor Higher. the most ominous part of this thread to me isn't the who knows who, or anything technological. it's stuff like the paper on using fractional-order systems to control engineer belief. it hints the mic feels a need for such methods that has evolved from the first conceptual papers I read only a decade before that one was published, like this one on inhibiting adaptation. that adaptation paper's abstract has always stuck with me over the years. the applications beyond ct and c&c seemed immediately graspable to me. it's deeply disconcerting for me to imagine a world where the ruling class has the ability to scientifically monitor and engineer if not what we believe, then the topology of beliefs. that's like a whole new level of divide and conquer.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Settling for the Jolly West/McVeigh connection while I wait for the Jolly West/Kaczynski connection. okay, thanks, that's it for me today, you've been a great crowd
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Mar 12, 2021 21:00
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Check out The Simpsons takedown of Trump for a bad time. my son really glommed on to that episode and memorized the list that came at the end.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Settling for the Jolly West/McVeigh connection while I wait for the Jolly West/Kaczynski connection. oh dear
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I've been pinging about that Twitter thread for hours now. ordered the book and everything. buy from the publisher! not from Amazon! edit: this is loving Bananas 🍌
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Trabisnikof posted:most of "forensic science" is absolute bullshit, from "fire science" where you "think like fire", to hair analysis that is 96% flawed, to the good old lie detector but I mean how can you legally hypnotize someone to incriminate themselves
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I wonder if hypnotism works better after you keep somebody isolated in their cell with no sleep for a couple of days.
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Marzzle posted:but I mean how can you legally hypnotize someone to incriminate themselves i think they mainly used it on victims and "witnesses" because they're lazy quote:It was nearly 5 a.m. on July 23, 1988, and remnants of the summer heat lingered indignantly. As paramedics walked Barbre to an ambulance, police briefly debated asking crime scene technicians to gather evidence, like blood samples and fingerprints. But it was a hectic Saturday and the officers were swamped with other calls. They never requested the techs.
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another little gem from the DMN story last year:quote:U.S. Army criminal investigators still conduct hypnosis sessions in rare instances, a spokesman confirmed. The FBI and CIA have also performed hypnosis sessions, according to interviews with an FBI hypnotist and CIA documents showing the agency’s research of the practice. Both declined to comment on whether they still do.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I wonder if hypnotism works better after you keep somebody isolated in their cell with no sleep for a couple of days. so did the cia
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I wonder if hypnotism works better after you keep somebody isolated in their cell with no sleep for a couple of days. That would imply the hynosis was what worked at all and not a cocktail of drugs and torture. "Hey, watch this swinging watch, ignore any jab in your arm and pay attention to me"
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pentyne posted:That would imply the hynosis was what worked at all and not a cocktail of drugs and torture. this is from Henry Lee Lucas' wikipedia article (sourcing an old times article you need their archives to get) before that pic I posted of him all buddy buddy with the Texas Rangers "In November 1983, Lucas was transferred to a jail in Williamson County, Texas. He reported that he attempted suicide after receiving rough treatment by the inmates, and claimed that police stripped him naked, denied him cigarettes and bedding, held him in a cold cell, tortured his genitalia, and did not allow him to contact an attorney."
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In other words, why not both?
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pentyne posted:That would imply the hynosis was what worked at all and not a cocktail of drugs and torture. both can be true for different definitions of “worked” , loving with a mind is a gradient of effect after all
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Think mentioned before there is a pretty decent Netflix doc about Henry Lee and it goes into how the DA called bullshit on his confessions so the Texas rangers basically destroyed the DA's life. They were sending him death threats, tapping his phones, they even killed his dog. And they seem to have found out about the DA's suspicions of their methods because when he tried to search the crime database for Henry Lee's location relative to where each of his murders supposedly took place, the screen froze and the terminal he was using was flagged for unauthorised searches. Texas judicial system and law enforcement were using a version PROMIS by that point I am told, for an additional layer of 👁️
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I would like to watch that doc. Know what it’s called?
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Loucks posted:I would like to watch that doc. Know what it’s called? The confession killer It is drawn out way longer than it ought to be like all Netflix stuff but the DA eps are very interesting
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mdemone posted:okay, thanks, that's it for me today, you've been a great crowd drat. this whole thread is wild. hooked me w the doc west connection. and then i was already 100% to domestic gladio before I realized the thread ended
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gh0stpinballa posted:Texas judicial system and law enforcement were using a version PROMIS by that point I am told, for an additional layer of 👁️ hmbol
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maybe a good time to remember the paper presented at a Psychology conference in Oslo by US Navy Lieutenant psychiatrist Thomas Narut about the military clockwork oranging soldiers and convicted criminals because he thought it was all gonna come out during the commission report looking into covert CIA operations. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/07/07/archives/navy-denies-charge-it-trains-assassins.html
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mark immune posted:drat. this whole thread is wild. hooked me w the doc west connection. and then i was already 100% to domestic gladio before I realized the thread ended how are we supposed to handle this and remain calm
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theflyingexecutive posted:pfff Seth “yeah I was hungover and missed being on American air 11 totally by accident” macfarlane? I know the 9/11 Commission report is a joke, but he is on the passenger list and cancelled the flight at 6:34 that morning Jump to page 40. https://www.scribd.com/document/16762117/T7-B20-Flights-77-and-11-No-Show-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Notes-and-FBI-Reports-223 Happy Thread posted:From today's news
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GWBBQ posted:I know the 9/11 Commission report is a joke, but he is on the passenger list and cancelled the flight at 6:34 that morning weird that he told people he was ten minutes late to the plane when the report says that he cancelled his reservation an hour ahead of time  In an interview with Rove McManus, he said: "I was booked on the first flight that hit the tower and I was drinking the night before, overslept a little bit in conjunction with the fact that my travel agent screwed up the itinerary by about 15 minutes, so I arrived 10 minutes late to get on the plane." "I got to the counter. And I said, yes, I'm booked on Flight 11. And the woman behind the counter said, you know, you're too late. They just closed the gate. And I said, all right. Well, you know, I'll take the 11:00.  the fbi interviewed everyone who didn’t show up, but not the people who cancelled, what a very specific distinction 
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Settling for the Jolly West/McVeigh connection while I wait for the Jolly West/Kaczynski connection. lmfao
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oh yeah and then when family guy tanked, fox gave this kid with no other experience an entirely new show... about the cia... where the head of the cia is british. and originally they were going to make that character a pedophile
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I was just trying to make a joke gdi
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theflyingexecutive posted:oh yeah and then when family guy tanked, fox gave this kid with no other experience an entirely new show... about the cia... where the head of the cia is british. and originally they were going to make that character a pedophile Remember Operation Northwoods, which the CIA really, really wanted to do back when Bush Sr was still young in it. Read about it if you don't remember what it was. President Kennedy nixed the idea, and was assassinated shortly after, in a plot alleged by some to have been organized by Bush Sr himself in retaliation. Then remember which particular individual deeply needed 9/11 to happen decades later, who allegedly organized it with the Saudi's. Then be aware of how the flight paths of the two planes to hit the WTC crossed paths in an X with other flights at the same time, the X situated directly over a military installation, just like in the exact sort of sleight of hand trick proposed for Operation Northwoods. There's a few youtubers who I've seen demonstrate it. Perhaps the former President was just that attached to his clever plan from the old days. Not to say that nobody was on those planes, I doubt that, but if the flight lists indeed happened to have been mostly padded with fake spook identity names for a smoother operation, the same way proposed for Operation Northwoods, then perhaps Seth got a phone call the night before warning him that real people with name recognition weren't allowed on that flight, cancel please, and in exchange for your silence we have some lifelong perks. He tells the story because it was a defining moment for the rest of his life, he just can't say why. Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 00:39 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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I feel like, since 2016 the media has shown how in bed they are with certain groups of people, it does kind of scan that someone with the right ties to get a show on FOX might get a friendly phone call in this case. Like, I truly believe all that poo poo is more or less state media in the land of capitalism; everything allowed on the air is there to form a band around what kinds of ideas constitute normalcy and reality, to be disseminated to the American public. I think that's why the frontier-internet has been actively smothered for 15 years and is finally breathing its last few gasps; when media is sufficiently de-centralized, like it has/had been for the last 15, it was pretty loving hard to control normalcy and narrative. It feels like the direction everything has been taken lately has been largely in service to re-asserting that hold on normalcy. gently caress, I really hate how plausible 9/11 trutherism has become to me. I should not be okay with this. I desperately want my old ideas of what's normal to return and reassert, but not if it's an entirely fabricated lie, and it was.
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Capitalism (and the MIC) is totally taking control of human communication. I kinda now wonder about FOX in general. It popped up overnight in a medium dominated by old school broadcasters, and succeeded because it had the weight of Rupert Murdoch behind it, including all the connections he had at the time through News Corp, etc. The loss of the wild west web is more or less the forces of capital circling the wagons on what was once an unexploited resource (information and communication). Social media harvests the resource while "the algorithm" processes it into a commodity, a ready-made bite sized packet of communication to sate our hunger for interaction. We're at a point where 1984's concept of reducing language, and thus emphasizing ideas, can take place. First we're given all of these forms of information access while mega corporations gobble up the companies. Then, once we have these always-on systems of information flow completely surrounding us, the switch is flipped to flow in reverse, reducing the variety of sources and quality of content. Facebook has started blurring the line between it and Instagram for example. It's working exactly as planned.
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Speaking of bush sr, his involvement in the cannibalism incident is absolutely wild. That was obviously coincidence but good lord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichijima_incident?wprov=sfla1
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