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Sextro posted:Yeah I probably should have made a single better post. Except it seems like you're dismissing things as "security theater" that have absolutely worked to help people navigate the broken set of systems that we have around this.
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Sextro posted:Yeah I probably should have made a single better post. The post you replied to was pushing back against the notion that doorbell cams are just a "property crimes" thing. You're right, the police do suck at dealing with DV, stalking, and sexual assault. It's also true that video evidence of something moves people in a way that a written-down report doesn't. Flippantly mashing the ACAB button in response is some stupid rear end in a top hat poo poo.
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Motronic posted:Except it seems like you're dismissing things as "security theater" that have absolutely worked to help people navigate the broken set of systems that we have around this. How have they helped beyond assuaging worry? I struggle to believe a person in the state of mind to go so far as to become verbally and physically threatening and perform stalking behaviors is going to be significantly deterred by a camera.
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Mar 12, 2021 00:47
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Sextro posted:How have they helped beyond assuaging worry? I struggle to believe a person in the state of mind to go so far as to become verbally and physically threatening and perform stalking behaviors is going to be significantly deterred by a camera. ....are you not able to read or do you choose not to read posts responding to this very point because it invalidates it? I think I know where my money is. Someone was describing exactly how, you loving nimrod. But sure keep on intentionally missing the point, it's a great look.
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Mar 12, 2021 00:50
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Sextro posted:Ideally yes, the footage would be useful evidence, to get someone clearly in crisis help he needs that he likely would not seek in his own, and would so also protect the victim. Wait wait wait. The subject is men stalking, harassing, and threatening women with violence, and your first thought is for the harasser? Your sympathy defaults to the guy pounding on a woman's door threatening to rape her? The woman being threatened gets the "and also" in your thought process?
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Sextro posted:Ideally yes, the footage would be useful evidence, to get someone clearly in crisis help he needs that he likely would not seek in his own, and would so also protect the victim. I really don’t like the fact that you’re presuming someone who is a stalker or domestic abuser is somehow likely/almost certainly going through a mental health issue rather than acting with full agency. The vast, vast majority of these folks are men who need to understand what the word “no” means. Edit: also what Huego said.
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I’d suggest if somebody doesn’t understand “no” they are not fit to be a part of society. The whole thing only works if everyone agrees to play by the rules. That’s kinda the point. Not understanding “no” to the point of doing any of the above mentioned crimes is something that should be addressed via dramatic intervention until that person learns how to behave. Sextro fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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Mar 12, 2021 01:29
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Solkanar512 posted:I really don’t like the fact that you’re presuming someone who is a stalker or domestic abuser is somehow likely/almost certainly going through a mental health issue rather than acting with full agency. The vast, vast majority of these folks are men who need to understand what the word “no” means. Toxic masculinity and male privilege are a mental illness and should be treated as such. Society would be a lot better off if, instead of saying "boys/men just need to learn that no means no", we realized that the problem was much deeper than that and requires psychological intervention and deprogramming for many men and young boys who have been exposed to our culture.
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Do victims or potential victims have any reason to give a poo poo about that when some guy is stalking them?
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Toxic masculinity and male privilege are a mental illness and should be treated as such. Society would be a lot better off if, instead of saying "boys/men just need to learn that no means no", we realized that the problem was much deeper than that and requires psychological intervention and deprogramming for many men and young boys who have been exposed to our culture. Sure, but maybe prioritize ensuring the person being stalked and threatened with sexual harassment is safe before worrying about having a nice chat with an abusive partner.
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enki42 posted:Sure, but maybe prioritize ensuring the person being stalked and threatened with sexual harassment is safe before worrying about having a nice chat with an abusive partner. Sure. I was merely responding to "don't call them mentally ill".
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Holy poo poo, teenage me was right about the moral necessity of gendercide.
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Huego posted:Wait wait wait. The subject is men stalking, harassing, and threatening women with violence, and your first thought is for the harasser? Your sympathy defaults to the guy pounding on a woman's door threatening to rape her? The woman being threatened gets the "and also" in your thought process? Yeah that seemed pretty hosed up to me. For what it's worth: Of the two women I was speaking about the neighbor moved to a new apartment to get away from her ex, got a dog, got a gun, and basically never answers the door due to the fear of her stalker. When her stalker was pounding on the door at 1am, and she was hiding in her bedroom waiting for the cops to show up, I'm sure the last thing she needed was some loving bootstraps. The second woman, my friend, has bounced around Oregon with her daughter for a decade trying to get away from her stalker and his death threats. She spent most of last summer protesting PPD and choking on tear gas, and she still decided to go to the police when her stalker found her again, so I'm sure she doesn't need any mansplaining on my part about the role of police in society.
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Police seem vastly more likely to commit rape than to prevent or punish it. Stations have dozens to hundreds of completely ignored rape kits piled up in storage. They're the vanguard of toxic masculinity.
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Imagine thinking pigs help rape victims. What the gently caress.
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The police as an institution don't give a flying gently caress about protecting victims of sexual assault and domestic violence. That's not their job. They have capital to protect, unhoused to harass, and poc to murder. It's maybe the job of the courts (lol at American courts providing justice for anyone but the already-privileged), and that's assuming the victim can get enough evidence for the pigs to actualyl arrest the perpetrator before the victim is brutalized further or killed. Telling a victim to install a doorbell camera is security theater nonsense, because a video does nothing to protect them from a violent individual that doesn't give a gently caress about consequences.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Toxic masculinity and male privilege are a mental illness and should be treated as such. Society would be a lot better off if, instead of saying "boys/men just need to learn that no means no", we realized that the problem was much deeper than that and requires psychological intervention and deprogramming for many men and young boys who have been exposed to our culture. No, they aren’t mental illnesses, and you remove their agency in terrorizing others when you claim otherwise.
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paperwind posted:Telling a victim to install a doorbell camera is security theater nonsense, because a video does nothing to protect them from a violent individual that doesn't give a gently caress about consequences.
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I 100% guarantee that the two women with years-long stalkers have a much better idea of the utility of doorbell cameras and of the actual helpfulness of the police in their cases than Captain ACAB and the Security Theatre Brigade over here. And to echo what other posters have said, it is extremely lovely to dismiss those women's lived experience just to score some political brownie points or whatever the gently caress it is you're doing. Also wtf? This is the tech nightmares thread, not the police thread.
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Solkanar512 posted:No, they aren’t mental illnesses, and you remove their agency in terrorizing others when you claim otherwise. No. People can do lovely and bad poo poo while also being mentally ill. If loving video game addiction can be a mental illness then the state of mind caused by cultural indoctrination into our hosed up toxic masculinity hell world that leads people to abuse and terrorize others without empathy certainly also qualifies. Sociopathy is a mental illness. If we treated it as such rather than worships it in folks like Musk, humanity would be better off. All crimes, including the most heinous would benefit from a humane approach which examines and attempts to treat the underlying causes rather than just saying "some people are just bad seeds and deserve to be locked up forever or better yet get the long kneeling arm of the law" This is in no way sympathizing with awful abusive behavior nor is it belittling the terror that abuse and stalking victims suffer at the hands of their abusers. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Or at least it shouldn't have to be except our systems are so hosed and broken. We SHOULD be able to protect victims and give them the relief of being able to live a life free of terror while also treating those that commit crimes as humans worthy of rehabilitation rather than knee jerk condemnations. You can't be woke and also wish the American criminal "justice" system upon anyone, even an abuser. I'm not one of the ones saying don't use a camera or call the cops when an abuser shows up. I'm merely saying it's a loving mental illness and should be treated as one.
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Leave it to goons to find a way to take something simple and good like "the police suck" and turn it into a pretext for infantilizing women.
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Goddamn I hate bitcoin https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1370384081771433989
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fool of sound posted:Can we please get this thread back on topic? An art speculator, a graphic artist, and a blockchain walk into a bar: quote:After a flurry of more than 180 bids in the final hour, a JPG file made by Mike Winkelmann, the digital artist known as Beeple, was sold on Thursday by Christie’s in an online auction for $69.3 million with fees. The price was a new high for an artwork that exists only digitally, beating auction records for physical paintings by museum-valorized greats like J.M.W. Turner, Georges Seurat and Francisco Goya. Bidding at the two-week Beeple sale, consisting of just one lot, began at $100. Someone paid almost $70 million to own a unique chuck-e-cheese token representing a collage of freely-distributed artwork.
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Baronash posted:An art speculator, a graphic artist, and a blockchain walk into a bar: They "paid" in ethereum, so I'm perfectly willing to accept that this was done as a money laundering scheme of some kind.
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Volmarias posted:They "paid" in ethereum, so I'm perfectly willing to accept that this was done as a money laundering scheme of some kind. This is what fine art on the open market is for generally
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Baronash posted:An art speculator, a graphic artist, and a blockchain walk into a bar: Honestly given what Damien Hirst does this barely moves the needle for art weirdness.
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This is some of the dumbest poo poo ever: https://twitter.com/BRKeogh/status/1370356988169744388
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Less Fat Luke posted:This is some of the dumbest poo poo ever: How long until someone realizes that due to how expensive actual bitcoin / ethereum / whatever transactions are, simply having a stored valid site is actually more efficient, similar to how bitcoin is now? Digital Christie's exchange except that they abscond with your pretend art ownership instead of bitcoins this time
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Lately, I've had to manually edit closed captioning on some videos because the auto-captioning software is terrible. For example, "coral reef" was interpreted as Karl Rove and "gain electrons" was transcribed as gay electrons. In the last video however, the speaker pronounced "Joules" as "Jews" so kilojoules became "Kill Jews" AIs are still racist it seems 
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:gay electrons Mods pls
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PhazonLink posted:but like charges repeal each other, the laws of physics are hetro normative. That's what makes them gay
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Lately, I've had to manually edit closed captioning on some videos because the auto-captioning software is terrible. For example, "coral reef" was interpreted as Karl Rove and "gain electrons" was transcribed as gay electrons. In the last video however, the speaker pronounced "Joules" as "Jews" so kilojoules became "Kill Jews" So... positrons?
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Expectation plays a huge role in how humans understand speech, in that something like "kill Jews" and "kilojoules" are very close to one other in terms of how they are spoken, and the reason our brain understands one or the other is based hugely on context. Obviously they do sound different, but if someone said "Hitler wanted to kilojoules" your brain would bridge the gap, because that's a nonsensical thing to say as written, and we know that both consciously and subconsciously. Given that we know this is the case, the question, in my mind, is: to what degree are AIs biased one way or the other, and why? If we are talking about the distinction between "gay electrons" and "gain electrons" or "kilojoules" and "kill Jews", are AIs coming up wrong because they are biased toward the incorrect interpretation, or because they simply lack a bias toward the correct interpretation and have no sense of words that make sense together in context and those which do not? It's an interesting research question, but in either case we should be deeply disturbed.
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Tech nightmares: It's an interesting research question, but in either case we should be deeply disturbed
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Less Fat Luke posted:This is some of the dumbest poo poo ever: I hope these people are killed, not mocked.
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As a linguist that has done phonemic distinction studies I am not sure that the average person/brain would mistake "kilojoules" for "kill jews". The brain absolutely does "bridge gaps" when there is missing or distorted input, but the transition frequencies in those words, plus the extra vowel sound in "kilojoules", make them way too different for a native speaker to mistake or for the brain to mistake baring an unusual accent or garbled sound sample. All signs point to poorly trained and/or racist AI.
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