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Throatwarbler posted: posted:... Speaking of Syria, I think the country is being effectively partitioned. You see, after the cold war, there is basically no more partitioning or redrawing of the world map because it upset too much of the geopolitical balance and the 5 mafia family in the UNSC won't allow it. However, I think there is a new trend of effective partitioning of certain countries (that in all honesty, have had bad national borders from the start thanks to the British legacy) without getting it official nation state. Like in Syria, the US is supporting the Kurds and they are using the dollar in their own region, and frankly, US's oil interest is mainly in the Kurdish region in Iraq;Turkey is dreaming her own Ottoman revival dream and cut out a portion of Syria near her own border. I heard even the electric grid is being integrated to the Turkish system. I read into the Myanmar history recently, which again has had bad artificial borderline thanks to the British. I found that the 2 pro-China autonomous regions are very intergrated to the Chinese ecosystem (currency, cell tower, some of the border schools and alot of the economic activities) It's the Kachin and other I can never remember its name. Anyway Beijing would never allow them to declare independent and host a referendence a la what Russia did in Crimea and Georgia, because it will step on too many redlines on the Taiwan issue,. However, economically and militarily, these regions are very much their own world.
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Mar 15, 2021 14:00
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when the british empire draws lines they are sacred and must be maintained for all time 
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Mar 15, 2021 14:15
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confound their politics frustrate their knavish tricks
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Mar 15, 2021 14:47
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I just remembered a few years ago how Turkish fascists in Istanbul started attacking Chinese restaurants. those attacks eventually stopped because it usually ended with them beating the restaurant workers, practically all of whom were from Xinjiang, because anyone with epicanthic folds looks like a Chinaman to the idiot eye https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-idUSKCN0PF08L20150705
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Mar 15, 2021 15:17
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/13/polar-bear-hotel-in-china-draws-guests-and-criticismquote:‘Polar bear hotel’ in China draws guests and criticism photos of the place are pretty depressing 
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Mar 15, 2021 15:22
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If Xinjiang is one of the only things USA & Turkey can agree on these days Im pretty sure just about anything could be done to escalate the situation.
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Mar 15, 2021 15:27
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 this was from Seymour Hersh in 2016
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Mar 15, 2021 15:29
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was this guy full of poo poo or what
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Mar 15, 2021 15:29
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I guess no worries about the Ides of March this year.
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Mar 15, 2021 15:33
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I don't think I've seen anyone touch on the potential internal racist blowback of repeating anti-chinese propaganda. I guess we can only hope people are as committed to speaking against anti-asian racism in the US as they are regarding state department talking points.
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Mar 15, 2021 15:58
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lol we just need more wolf warriors and Twitter posters like chen weihua to push the needle in the online posting wars
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Mar 15, 2021 16:07
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LittleBlackCloud posted:I don't think I've seen anyone touch on the potential internal racist blowback of repeating anti-chinese propaganda. I guess we can only hope people are as committed to speaking against anti-asian racism in the US as they are regarding state department talking points. You mean internal blowback as in ethnic Chinese living in the US/Australia? Do subs like r/genzedong r/aznidentity count? I don't go on those subs but my impression is most of the users are ABC/2nd gen?
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Mar 15, 2021 16:15
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stephenthinkpad posted:You mean internal blowback as in ethnic Chinese living in the US/Australia? Do subs like r/genzedong r/aznidentity count? I don't go on those subs but my impression is most of the users are ABC/2nd gen? I mean the rise of anti-asian sentiment in US/NATO countries.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:25
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LittleBlackCloud posted:I don't think I've seen anyone touch on the potential internal racist blowback of repeating anti-chinese propaganda. I guess we can only hope people are as committed to speaking against anti-asian racism in the US as they are regarding state department talking points.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:30
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mawarannahr posted:I just remembered a few years ago how Turkish fascists in Istanbul started attacking Chinese restaurants. those attacks eventually stopped because it usually ended with them beating the restaurant workers, practically all of whom were from Xinjiang, because anyone with epicanthic folds looks like a Chinaman to the idiot eye https://twitter.com/kyawwin78/status/1370357839525466113
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Mar 15, 2021 16:54
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There has been rise of anti Asian violence happened in the last 2 months. Even my company's Asian association did a thing rally against the hate crimes.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:56
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mawarannahr posted:I just remembered a few years ago how Turkish fascists in Istanbul started attacking Chinese restaurants. those attacks eventually stopped because it usually ended with them beating the restaurant workers, practically all of whom were from Xinjiang, because anyone with epicanthic folds looks like a Chinaman to the idiot eye There's a good chance the ancestors of these guys looked like that too.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:04
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https://twitter.com/julianku/status/1371175554662207488 ok
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Mar 15, 2021 17:36
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https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1371432897291427846?s=20
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Mar 15, 2021 17:41
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A sign of weakness, clearly. Xi is growing increasingly isolated and he must do this to save face.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:50
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the next six months will be critical
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Mar 15, 2021 18:40
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Chamale posted:Is there anything worthwhile an American citizen can do out of concern for human rights in Xinjiang, or is that well entirely poisoned? I know that sanctions or a trade war aren't the answer, considering how disastrous US sanctions always are for poor people in the targeted countries. I would, and have, paid more for the same product of the same quality if it was made in China. The biggest part of my discretionary spending is in clothing - I enjoy well made suits, ties, etc but for the most part Italian made items are cheaper and better than Chinese made ones. Hopefully some of them are just made by Chinese owned factories and workers. It's obviously not feasible right now with covid, but if you ever have some time off you should visit Xinjiang. Tourism is a big industry especially in the Uygur areas, and it's generally pretty safe and not particularly expensive other than actually getting there, so it would be a direct benefit to the region and the people if you go and buy/eat/lodge there. I assume you're in the US which makes the travel times a bit tedious, but the Gulf carriers (Emirates/Qatar, maybe Etihad too?) all fly directly to Urumuqi from Dubai/Doha which makes it a nice destination or Europeans.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:45
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https://twitter.com/MarkLGoldberg/status/1371203331499130880
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Mar 15, 2021 18:52
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really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjmvxeShO2Q transcript: https://theanalysis.news/interviews/bidens-china-policy-a-more-polite-trump-amb-chas-freeman/ quote:Paul Jay BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 18:55
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Relevant Tangent posted:it would be illegal for texas to do that because america doesn't have an official language Are you american? I don't know how you don't know that education is a state's right so the feds have no say in it, and like 30 states have english as an official language. several states have passed english only education laws
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Mar 15, 2021 18:56
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Antonymous posted:Are you american? I don't know how you don't know that education is a state's right so the feds have no say in it, and like 30 states have english as an official language. several states have passed english only education laws excuse me. that’s whataboutism
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Mar 15, 2021 19:03
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I wonder if this is a one off or if the nationalists are feeling emboldened
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Mar 15, 2021 20:07
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A few Chinese have said that Xi will do it in his last term (his third term or heaven forbid, his fourth term). Apparently the US diplomatic blob don't believe there is an election process involved to select the next CCP leader and never pay attention to any non Western system.
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Mar 15, 2021 20:17
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Grapplejack posted:I wonder if this is a one off or if the nationalists are feeling emboldened I think they're betting on being able to do it around March 2024
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Mar 15, 2021 20:37
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really dont know why these morons think china is going to press the issue on taiwan when they already hold all the cards there. oh wait yeah i do know why
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Mar 15, 2021 20:51
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 what would you rather have geopolitical influence over 3 continents or a flying turd......
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Mar 15, 2021 20:52
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Muscle Wizard posted:really dont know why these morons think china is going to press the issue on taiwan when they already hold all the cards there. oh wait yeah i do know why There is a lot riding on the PLA conducting a Normandy style invasion for some reason and getting blown up.
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Mar 15, 2021 21:09
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maybe they are simply anticipating that the USA will collapse in the next 4 years and taiwan will ask for assistance. lao tzu teaches not to force things, the Dao will provide all opportunities if you wait
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Mar 15, 2021 21:10
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Muscle Wizard posted:really dont know why these morons think china is going to press the issue on taiwan when they already hold all the cards there. oh wait yeah i do know why Yeah, my understanding is that they've said they'll defend Taiwan if they declare independence, but that's not going to happen anytime soon precisely because it would trigger WW3.
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Mar 15, 2021 21:15
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iirc taiwan is completely reliant on energy imports just to keep the lights on, so without the backing of the us navy all that the prc would have to do is enforce a blockade in case of an armed conflict and that's that
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Mar 15, 2021 21:28
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Rutibex posted:
otoh, it’s pretty amazing how fast OBOR fell apart, enthusiasm about it on the Asian end and European end has just dissipated.
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Mar 15, 2021 23:48
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https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1371523814501277698
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Mar 16, 2021 00:01
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If anything with the new EU trade agreement and RCEP still to be ratified), the PRC has been clocking pretty solid victories in terms of trade. I would say the thing that changed with OBOR, is that India dropped out and there has been a move toward more multilateral and commercial funding. That said, a country by country analysis of Chinese trade and investment would be interesting. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 01:03 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Mar 16, 2021 01:00
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shrike82 posted:lol at talking about chinese beer, drink some maotai bottle looks like it contains mouthwash. no thankyou thatfatkid posted:Significantly improving the material conditions and quality of life of the populace of Xinjiang is abuse now? ignoring all the implied assertions in this post, if they don't want their quality of life improved, then yeah probably gradenko_2000 posted:
I agree with Lin's conclusions but I don't see how doing forced reeducation of people who aren't (or aren't likely to become) jihadis helps the situation
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Mar 16, 2021 02:03
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Muscle Wizard posted:weird how you went from 'doing a genocide' to 'abusing people' huh and in a couple of days when this is forgotten he'll go back to "genocide", classic motte-and-bailey fart simpson posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3912640&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=270#post512365517 lol BrutalistMcDonalds posted:diplomacy has become for the United States in many ways the interval before you send in the Marines. this is a great line
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