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Smoking Crow posted:fwiw, this stuff is obscure even in mexico. women's wrestling in this period is really murky. i hope that someone does some archival work on this period while some of the people there are still alive, or else that history will be lost forever Dr. Lucha is working on a book on the history of wrestling at Arena Mexico but who knows if it is ever coming out.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I hate how hard it is to find out wrestling history, you have to scour various fan sites or newsletter archives for lot of stuff and if its not there you have to hope you know someone who knows it or where to find it. Yes I'm still mad about Wikipedia removing wrestlers finishers and signature moves. Sadly this is a thing in a lot of televised entertainment from the fifties and sixties. The people making television largely thought of it as a broadcast medium: you put it out and then it was done, with low or no market for repeats and absolutely no home recording or commercial release. Therefore there's a lot of stuff that went out live once, never got broadcast again, and in many cases had the tape reused for something else. The classic UK example of this is Doctor Who, where copies only turn up because an obsessive fan was recording the audio of the episodes, or they sent a tape of it to be broadcast in Australia, or whatever. The US had better fortunes on some of this stuff because syndication to local stations was more of a thing, but there's still a lot of stuff, especially stuff like wrestling, that you saw if you were in the venue, or you saw if you were home and watching the right channel, and then vanished forever. Leaving this gap in our entertainment histories.
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There's a lot of wrestlers out there I would love to see because people tout them as some of the best ever (like I've forgotten how many people say how good Ray Stevens was, but it's a lot and both Heenan and Flair put him over big which is good enough for me) but we'll never see it because the footage doesn't exist.
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If I can find both episodes of Turn-On I can ascend to the Invisible Clergy.
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Big Mami is my pick for AAA women's division potential break out star. Her charisma is absolutely off the charts. The crowd was insanely hot for her Hair vs hair match.
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Big Mami rules and the fact that AEW didn't have her in their women's battle royal was a terrible mistake I would rather blame on government incompetence because I want to believe AEW would know what a good babyface battle royal spot Big Mami would be.
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was the CDMX tv ban a moral panic thing or a way to protect the profits the major promoter who owned their own arenas? i've heard both
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Thauros posted:was the CDMX tv ban a moral panic thing or a way to protect the profits the major promoter who owned their own arenas? i've heard both ive always heard it was a moral panic after reports of a kid killing another kid with a shoot chokehold they saw on tv came out ive also heard that was a smokescreen and the mayor of mexico city thought lucha was making people lazy so he got rid of it
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Yo I watch a lot of indies stuff and it’s fun. Beyond is good stuff. But I have no idea who the homie on the left is and I’m all in for Captain America by Rob Liefield https://twitter.com/beyondwrestling/status/1371482570039365643?s=21 That’s a brick loving shithouse of wideness right there. Edit: I’m talking the guy next to Mike Verna. Who the gently caress is this guy?!?
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ICR posted:Yo I watch a lot of indies stuff and it’s fun. Beyond is good stuff. But I have no idea who the homie on the left is and I’m all in for Captain America by Rob Liefield Slab Bulkhead! Fridge Largemeat! Buff Hardback!
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When did Rex Lawless turn into a fun house mirror version of Trent??
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Who is Gabe in the context of the previous page? I haven't kept up with who is who in WWE. I remember a few years ago there were rumors of HHH being in the doghouse with Vince but I'm sure that's common. Googling it gave me lots of news stories about Gabbi Tuft though, good for her.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who is Gabe in the context of the previous page? I haven't kept up with who is who in WWE. I remember a few years ago there were rumors of HHH being in the doghouse with Vince but I'm sure that's common. Gabe Sapolsky, former EVOLVE promoter, I'm pretty sure.
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Pylons posted:Gabe Sapolsky, former EVOLVE promoter, I'm pretty sure. I think you mean Dragon Gate USA founder Gabe Sapolsky
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Jamie Hernandez of Love and Rockets has been doing Luchadora comics since 1982  He's also got a book coming out later this year that compiles all his Luchadora drawings: https://www.fantagraphics.com/collections/coming-soon/products/queen-of-the-ring-wrestling-drawings-by-jaime-hernadez 
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Curious if there's any additional context to these videos which all have the comments turned off and have no other information in the description except "Boring WWE Tag Teams: [team name]?"
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Curious if there's any additional context to these videos which all have the comments turned off and have no other information in the description except "Boring WWE Tag Teams: [team name]?" Was a WWE.com article from that time. https://www.wwe.com/inside/wwefeaturepage/most-boring-tag-teams i think thats it
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Refuse to stand for this slander of Tekno Team 2000
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they did one for the Can-Am Express which is the funniest since, well, they were definitely not a boring tag team
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IceAgeComing posted:they did one for the Can-Am Express which is the funniest since, well, they were definitely not a boring tag team Triple H must be still bitter about Tom Zenk's articles.
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forkboy84 posted:Refuse to stand for this slander of Tekno Team 2000 Were they the time travellers in WCW?
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Vagabundo posted:Were they the time travellers in WCW? No that was the New Breed that come from a future where Dusty Rhodes was the president of the USA.
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I found out not too long ago that Bill Watts' failson was one half of Tekno Team 2000 lol
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Vagabundo posted:Were they the time travellers in WCW? No, just a harbinger of the dangers of nepotism
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Numero6 posted:No that was the New Breed that come from a future where Dusty Rhodes was the president of the USA. AEW needs the Newer Breed who come from another alternate future and are here to protect President Rhodes and Vice President Cassidy.
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I love Test, RIP. Best Big Boot ever. And someone on Reddit was like "he ha a great flying elbow, too." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XUSjFmCsdo&t=184s Can anyone give me an example of a "bad" top rope elbow? How do you do it wrong?
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Gavok posted:AEW needs the Newer Breed who come from another alternate future and are here to protect President Rhodes and Vice President Cassidy. Awesome for Cody that he gets to be First Gentleman.
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Vagabundo posted:Were they the time travellers in WCW? (Chris Champion went on to wrestle as Cowabunga the Wrestling Turtle in Memphis, not to be confused with any of the other wrestling ninja turtles, then spent most of the 1990s bouncing around as Foreign Heel Yoshi Kwan, aka the first person to ever lose to Flex Kavana in USWA). Tekno Team 2000 had basically the same gimmick but a decade later, though I think they were just supposed to be "futuristic" and "representing the future of wrestling", not actual time travelers. They were Erik Watts and Chad Fortune. Erik Watts went on to be an iconic failson of professional wrestling, while Chad Fortune had a successful run as a monster truck driver. Neither are to be confused with The New Brood, LOD 2000, High Voltage, or PG13
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NikkolasKing posted:Can anyone give me an example of a "bad" top rope elbow? How do you do it wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHU9gIX1yvk
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Edge & Christian posted:Chris Champion and Sean Royal were The New Breed in FCW/Crockett back in 1986-1987, a very loosely Back to the Future inspired gimmick who claimed to be from the future of 2002 where Dusty Rhodes was president. I cannot believe WCW had a Chris Champion and a Todd Champion, and never put them together and had them wear kids' plastic wrestling title belts.
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NikkolasKing posted:Can anyone give me an example of a "bad" top rope elbow? How do you do it wrong? Big Show’s flying elbow would be terrible if it was done by anyone else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_y7TBfMVY
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I Before E posted:I think you mean Dragon Gate USA founder Gabe Sapolsky "most likely candidate for who called off the Ambulance at the New Japan Show" Gabe Sapolsky. Lamuella posted:Awesome for Cody that he gets to be First Gentleman. 
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The New Breed were derailed by a bad car accident in 1987. Both came back, Royal didn't wrestle much after 1987 and Champion kinda hung in there for a while longer. Champion briefly was pushed as Yoshi Kwan.NikkolasKing posted:Can anyone give me an example of a "bad" top rope elbow? How do you do it wrong? Randy Savage injuring everybody in 1999. Here's him messing up Charles Robinson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlyt2b0E3E&t=252s (Should start at the elbow drop setup. If you want to see purestain WCW 1999 and the rest of the match, that's up to you.) Robinson talked about the injury a few months ago: quote:“We teamed up to take on Madusa and Savage. They called it a mixed tag match. I think they were saying I was part of the other mixed, but of course, Savage and Madusa, they were going over. They were going to be the winners and Savage was going to do the elbow on somebody. And Ric Flair looked at me and said, ‘It ain’t gonna be me.’ I was volunteered to take the elbow drop from Savage, and unfortunately, he landed on me and he put me in the hospital for a couple weeks. He collapsed my lung [and] cracked some vertebrae in my back, and my wrestling career was over.” e: This may have been after Savage messed up Flair's shoulder with the elbow, which would explain his reticence about taking it again. RC and Moon Pie fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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IIRC at around that time Savage was having issues with his hip, so when he would hit the elbow he would land with almost all of his bodyweight on his elbow versus having his right hip absorb most of his bodyweight on the canvas.
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NikkolasKing posted:Can anyone give me an example of a "bad" top rope elbow? How do you do it wrong? Punk's, as posted earlier, comes off as more of a weird horizontal clothesline.
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sticklefifer posted:I can't pick out a specific example, but I've seen a lot of people release the arm before the impact so it just ends up as a kind of lazy splash. Usually Punk looked like he didn't have his balance and just kinda fell on the dude. It was both scary and hilarious.
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1glitch0 posted:Usually Punk looked like he didn't have his balance and just kinda fell on the dude. It was both scary and hilarious. In his own feature doc, Punk's friends, specifically his trainer, says he has "lead in his rear end" Dude had a lot to offer as a performer, but he was not athletic.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The New Breed were derailed by a bad car accident in 1987. Both came back, Royal didn't wrestle much after 1987 and Champion kinda hung in there for a while longer. Champion briefly was pushed as Yoshi Kwan. 1. I forgot about Asya or Aysa or whatever, I assume she died of a mysterious heart attack at 35 2. It looks like Robinson tensed and leaned up to take the elbow, so I don't know what else he could've done
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