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It's pretty clear Valve only cares about games when they bring people to Steam.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Valve are super lucky nobody has VR so most normies are only going by the fawning press response for alyx. As someone who hasn’t played it, why? I’ve seen the fawning coverage but nothing really substantive.
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# ? Mar 14, 2021 16:13 |
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People just say its a worse boneworks as its only real criticism.
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 00:11 |
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Paul Zuvella posted:LONG rear end POST. SIT TIGHT 3D on keys? Three Donkeys? Threedon keys?
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 03:44 |
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He's dead, Jim
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 03:48 |
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Firebert posted:The Final Fantasy brand is so much bigger than Anthem or Warcraft 3 knock-off characters, FFXIV had to be fixed or it had the potential to bring down the entire franchise (especially with how many L's in a row Square had taken at the time, starting with FFXIII and the development hell XV was in). I'm not sure one of their fastest and best-selling titles counts as an L.
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 03:55 |
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Kchama posted:I'm not sure one of their fastest and best-selling titles counts as an L. Definitely an L for the culture
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 04:08 |
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Pathos posted:As someone who hasn’t played it, why? I’ve seen the fawning coverage but nothing really substantive. The part that really disappointed me as a valve game is there's no environmental storytelling at all really. Which is doubly weird in a VR game. All the assets with writing on them in the levels are in Cyrillic or are just quick assets you aren't really meant to look closely at. In a VR game. So like the equivalent of the HL2 lab, which had basically the backstory of the game printed around the walls in various newspaper cuttings etc, in alyx the lab just has dozens of monitors displaying static and the name of the scientist written in big letters on the wall. That's it. There apparently was no writer working alongside the art team. Beyond that it's just a very unambitious game, it's basically about shuffling around in the dark shooting the godawful pistol from HL2 (very faithfully recreated) at harmless zombies. Or throwing grenades and throwing is especially bad in VR since nothing has weight. I just found it had absolutely no old valve spirit, people bring up Boneworks cause that game, despite being kinda a janky pos, does have the old valve spirit. There's lots of envelope pushing and lots of meta narrative and wall lore. Every written asset I found in Boneworks either had a lore reveal or a joke.
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 11:05 |
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Considering how stupid long it took them to port over all the heroes to Dota 2 I figured they would've fixed the company structure but I guess not.
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 14:20 |
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Wait didn't they poach campo santo specifically to work in the VR game? Getting a team known for their narrative and environmental storytelling experience and then not having them do any of that...?
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 18:18 |
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They picked up a bunch of people and did nothing with them. There was some pinball lady I think.
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 19:16 |
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Campo Santo worked on Half life Alyx
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 19:18 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:They picked up a bunch of people and did nothing with them. There was some pinball lady I think. Is there a Mr. Pinball Lady??
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 19:20 |
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In the Valley of Gods died for Half Life Alyx At least we can safely assume that anyone working on Artifact probably wouldn't have made anything better instead?
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# ? Mar 15, 2021 19:40 |
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Valve imprisoned Erik, chet and Jay for like 15 years and paid them not to write any comedy
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 09:49 |
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:In the Valley of Gods died for Half Life Alyx Still super weird how a bunch of the Idle Thumbs guys now work at Valve.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 09:54 |
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ErrEff posted:Still super weird how a bunch of the Idle Thumbs guys now work at Valve. I fully blame Valve for killing Idle Thumbs.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 09:59 |
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stev posted:I fully blame Valve for killing Idle Thumbs. I sorta figured that'd be an obvious fit.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 10:04 |
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Valves thing seems to be hiring talented people and paying them not to make anything
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 10:32 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:Valves thing seems to be hiring talented people and paying them not to make anything Good work if you can get it.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 10:34 |
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They literally made half life alyx despite you guys hating that game or saying they haven’t done anything literally last year. And from what I saw on social media they were really happy they got to work on that. But I guess that doesn’t count
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 10:37 |
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HL Alyx is a really excellent game and one of the best experiences in VR. Some people wanted that game to be a crazy vomit machine, but I do think its very well designed, and the weapons are all fun without being overwhelming. VR is just different and games need to be designed differently I think.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 13:10 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:Valve imprisoned Erik, chet and Jay for like 15 years and paid them not to write any comedy Valve killing OMM is the worst crime in gaming history
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 13:14 |
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Pathos posted:Valve killing OMM is the worst crime in gaming history No no, accidental good decision that stops people looking back at OMM and going yikes twenty times a minute
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Pathos posted:Valve killing Idle Thumbs is the worst crime in gaming history Agreed.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 14:48 |
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nothings wrong with the campo santo people making a great VR game with valve, I’m more peeved at how many of them are working on the stupid autobattler
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 16:11 |
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:nothings wrong with the campo santo people making a great VR game with valve, I’m more peeved at how many of them are working on the stupid autobattler Uh none of them probably now since it hasn’t been updated since last year
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 16:13 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:They literally made half life alyx Not a real game.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 16:30 |
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i thought alyx was a crushing disappointment but also agree its one of the top VR games lol
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 16:53 |
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I feel like HL Alyx is a real good game to people not super familiar with VR games, which admittedly was a large part of its audience. However, to people that've been playing lots of VR games for year now, it's...fine, I guess. A pretty standard vr shooter, which are honestly a dime a dozen. Which falls much short of HL and HL2, which were revolutionary FPS games.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 17:42 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:I feel like HL Alyx is a real good game to people not super familiar with VR games, which admittedly was a large part of its audience. However, to people that've been playing lots of VR games for year now, it's...fine, I guess. A pretty standard vr shooter, which are honestly a dime a dozen. Which falls much short of HL and HL2, which were revolutionary FPS games. Serious question, what other VR shooters are there with a full length beginning to end narrative heavy campaign? I assume Boneworks falls under that but I've never seen any others mentioned.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 17:49 |
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Medal of Honor Above and Beyond, but that is apparently really terrible.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 17:55 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:Considering how stupid long it took them to port over all the heroes to Dota 2 I figured they would've fixed the company structure but I guess not. To be entirely fair, they were also doing actual balance updates as they released those heroes (and between those releases). So it wasn't entirely doing nothing at all, and I think given DotA 2 still manages to be the best balanced (but not necessarily most fun to play) MOBA in the market they had to have done something right there. Also it's entirely free to play model is fantastic. Relatedly, I love the Legends of Runeterra model even if it's not perfectly free to play (it has buying cards, but it's fairly pointless and the original design did not have it in). Artifact somehow managed to fail at literally every level, I'm pretty sure it found entirely new ways to fail.
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 18:50 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:Not a real game. It is one you just don’t have VR, which is fine but it is a real game that has been played by real people
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 20:15 |
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Thirsty Dog posted:No no, accidental good decision that stops people looking back at OMM and going yikes twenty times a minute What's OMM? The REAL Goobusters posted:They literally made half life alyx despite you guys hating that game or saying they haven’t done anything literally last year. And from what I saw on social media they were really happy they got to work on that. True, they've made like 3 games in 10 years. Checkmate, valveateailures. The idea valve doesnt make games is outdated, as is the idea valve makes good ones. Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Acerbatus posted:What's OMM? It was a comedy games review site in the late 90s/early 2000s. They wrote eg an influential comedy critique of the original deus ex. If memory serves gabe newell thought they were so insightful that he ended up hiring both of the writers, who went on to write on the portals and some other valve stuff before being sentenced to valve limbo
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 20:25 |
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OMM was Old Man Murray. I think archives of it still exist. I recommend the article on boxes as a way to measure game quality. e: site is still up, https://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/39.html
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 20:27 |
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It was very much late 90s/early 2000s humor and hasn't aged well. I say any site built on late 90s/early 2000s humor should simply be cast into the flame and utterly destroyed
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 20:29 |
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No Mods No Masters posted:It was a comedy games review site in the late 90s/early 2000s. They wrote eg an influential comedy critique of the original deus ex. If memory serves gabe newell thought they were so insightful that he ended up hiring both of the writers, who went on to write on the portals and some other valve stuff before being sentenced to valve limbo Oh, Old Man Murry. I think I'd heard of that. No Mods No Masters posted:It was very much late 90s/early 2000s humor and hasn't aged well. I say any site built on late 90s/early 2000s humor should simply be cast into the flame and utterly destroyed I was shocked Barkley held up so well. (Not that it was a site, but still)
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# ? Mar 16, 2021 20:31 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:It is one you just don’t have VR, which is fine but it is a real game that has been played by real people It's a real game like walking sims are real games. As in not.
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