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CapnAndy posted:Which, yes, the question of "why doesn't he ALWAYS do that" still applies if he can just time travel to fix his problems. The movie tries to head that off at the pass by having Jor-El pre-emptively declaring it forbidden, but still. I guess, but once you cross that line, it's kinda hard to just never ever do it again when you know you have the power to. I get why it all makes so much sense for the sake of the story, but it just opens up such a can of worms. Maybe it could have been some sort of special crystal in the Fortress of Solitude that can only be used once, and he decides to use it to save Lois or something. I don't know. Also rewatching that part of the movie made me feel like Rashida Jones could be a good Lois Lane. Too bad she's a lovely person.
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Splint Chesthair posted:Hey wait so who exactly was Lil Clark pretending to be when he put on that cape? The Sentry!
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Mar 16, 2021 21:24
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Ghosthotel posted:
This is two pages back but like this is literally the most basic and important point of Superman lol and even any Christ-like character (which people constantly claim of Superman).
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Mar 16, 2021 21:32
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Danger posted:This is two pages back but like this is literally the most basic and important point of Superman lol and even any Christ-like character (which people constantly claim of Superman).
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Mar 16, 2021 21:44
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CapnAndy posted:That scene is such a massive special effects failure. He's not rotating the Earth -- he's not even touching it -- he's going so fast that he starts going back in time. But because all we see is the Earth rotating as Superman circles it, and especially because it slowly comes to a stop and then has to accelerate into going in the opposite direction, it looks like he physically stops the planet, turns it backwards, and that actually reverses time somehow. Cause and effect get all switched up. He's definitely changing the spin and going back in time that way. Why do you think he then has to spin round the earth in the opposite direction if it's just to go fast? (Also, going so fast you go back in time doesn't make any more sense at all. In fact I think it makes even less sense, because turning back time by moving the earth back through time like it's a hand of a clock at least feels right in a sort of fairy-tale logic way.)
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Mar 16, 2021 21:47
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Jamesman posted:The first Superman movie is the closest to a perfect Superman movie. The only things that stand out from memory are; The Earth scene is the central thesis of the movie, and of Superman, though. It's a question of the particular over the universal. Superman is willing to literally stop the Earth to save a single person as an act of transgressive love over a utilitarian calculus. It's Oskar Schindler "save one life and save the world entire" poo poo.
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Mar 16, 2021 21:50
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cargohills posted:He's definitely changing the spin and going back in time that way. Why do you think he then has to spin round the earth in the opposite direction if it's just to go fast? Yea that's sort of an absurd take. Like it makes way more visual sense to see the Earth spinning backwards. Also lol at worrying about the continuity of it all. the MCU has poisoned so many minds. Danger fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Mar 16, 2021 21:53
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Splint Chesthair posted:Hey wait so who exactly was Lil Clark pretending to be when he put on that cape? It sucks that they deleted the extended version of that scene were little Clark kicked his dog into their well while screaming, "This is... Smallville!"
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Mar 16, 2021 21:54
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X-O posted:I think everyone gets the point of the tornado scene, but even as someone that likes the film that scene is terrible. You say that, but I keep running into people who don't get the point of the tornado scene.
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Mar 16, 2021 21:55
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cargohills posted:He's definitely changing the spin and going back in time that way. Why do you think he then has to spin round the earth in the opposite direction if it's just to go fast?
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Mar 16, 2021 21:56
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Bongo Bill posted:You say that, but I keep running into people who don't get the point of the tornado scene. who
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Mar 16, 2021 21:57
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Isn't going so fast you go back in time the reason the flash is able to break reality repeatedly
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Mar 16, 2021 21:58
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site posted:Isn't going so fast you go back in time the reason the flash is able to break reality repeatedly Yeah but he has like, speed magic he taps into or whatever
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Mar 16, 2021 21:58
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He also always fucks something up, so it’s not really a mulligan machine.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:01
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It's really loving simple. The earth has time zones. If you fly west really fast you will go back in time. Even a jet can leave chicago and land in LA before it took off. Now Superman, he's batshit fast, so if he goes around the Earth he goes back through the time zones and back in time. That's just how time zones work you FUCKS
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Mar 16, 2021 22:04
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Karloff posted:I don't think Kilmer did. At one point he strafes to the side to avoid a missile shot by Two-Face, which then proceeds to blow up a car containing some goons behind him. But I don't think that counts as Batman killing, morally or legally. Those dudes are toast and it counts for at least half, like Bale using the Train on Ra's
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Mar 16, 2021 22:05
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John Wick of Dogs posted:It's really loving simple. The earth has time zones. If you fly west really fast you will go back in time. Even a jet can leave chicago and land in LA before it took off. drat, owned
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Mar 16, 2021 22:09
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The United States posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tXQyVLmHo&t=121s This seems like they would have crashed and died no matter what Batman did.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:14
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If you go fast enough you go back in time. That's like, actual physics. (It's also actual physics that you can't get past the speed of light, but, you know, Superman.)
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Mar 16, 2021 22:18
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The United States posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tXQyVLmHo&t=121s This movie honestly looks like a better time than BvS was. The cartoonish "GWAAAH" when Two Face sees the exploded cars 
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Mar 16, 2021 22:18
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I don't care whether Batman did or didn't kill Ras, the funny part of Begins to me is when he is told he must kill the caged man not knowing what his crime is, and he steadfastly refuses to kill, by throwing bombs and exploding their entire fort, probably killing that guy and countless ninjas. It kind of happens on accident in the scuffle but it's still really funny. Reminds me of paladins loving up in my D&D games.
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JT Smiley posted:This seems like they would have crashed and died no matter what Batman did. Seeing Batman’s cool car drive up a wall distracted drivered them to death. He basically shot them all execution style. Gross
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Mar 16, 2021 22:19
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Beamed posted:This movie honestly looks like a better time than BvS was. The cartoonish "GWAAAH" when Two Face sees the exploded cars I'll defend Batman Forever. It's not as good as the previous two, but it is nowhere near as bad as Batman & Robin and is a fun, but goofy as gently caress, movie.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:22
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I'll defend Batman and Robin, it's fun as hell and it's hilarious, sometimes even on purpose. The only indefensible thing about it is their Bad Bane, but now there's been a good Bane on screen so it doesn't matter, and that one point in the Poison Ivy fight where Schumaker reverse loops some footage. That was loving amateurish! Everything else is so meticulous and carefully done!
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Mar 16, 2021 22:25
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I don't know. If I'm being chased by some guys and their mate comes from the opposite direction and starts blasting at me causing me to jump out the way. If the bullets then hit the people who are chasing me - who it seems were chasing me to lead me into that fatal trap - I don't think I am responsible for their deaths. I may feel bad but they kind of hoisted themselves up on those gallows. That said, I don't have the skills of Batman (yet...). Karloff fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Batman and Robin is honestly pretty watchable. It'd be a lot moreso if it was a good twenty minutes shorter, but alas.
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It's always bugged me that the movie they introduced Robin in is called Batman Forever and the fourth movie in the series is called Batman and Robin.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:31
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Arist posted:Batman and Robin is honestly pretty watchable. It'd be a lot moreso if it was a good twenty minutes shorter, but alas. Batman and Robin is queer camp and it is good. Batman is gay as hell.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:37
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Yeah it's too bad robin and batgirl are in it because every scene with them sucks
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Mar 16, 2021 22:39
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Schumaker should have been allowed to make Superman movies instead. My biggest gripes are that his Gotham City is Metropolis and his Batman is Superman; that bit in Batman and Robin where the reporter lady brightly goes "in Gotham we have Batman to save us!" is just... no, goddammit. That's a Metropolis attitude.
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Sentinel Red posted:I've never been hung up on the movie Bats body count thing. However, what does irk me whenever this subject comes up here is the disingenuous and bad faith takes of the various situations that completely ignore context and intent around the proceedings. In the situation you refer to, 3 people are hanging on for dear life with a guy about to shoot them even if they don't fall. Batman throws a bunch of coins to spoil the toss but that's hardly the same as, say shoving a soon-to-explode bomb in someone's pants, or opening up with Gatling guns and rockets at a bunch of goons. Movie is pretty fresh in my brain (mostly for the scene where the replayed the acid being thrown in Harvey's face and Batman is there like he was just chilling with the jury before the incident) and yes Batman did a whole dive down to save Chase and Robin but by the time Two Face shows up to shoot all of them they are chilling on a railing just below the railing Two Face is on. All three are standing up and being supported on their own two feet. When Two Face falls they all kind of just watch him plummet. Now I am not saying Batman should have dived down again to grab Two Face but they could have bullshitted him just firing a grappling hook or something into Two Face's leg. Here's the scene again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjOcYSzGMD4
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I could probably list 30 things off the top of my head I love about it. I will now do so. 1) Alfred's speech about how Batman has the ultimate goal of defeating death 2) Bat nipples 3) Bat credit card 4) Bob Gale's widow being a ham 5) Uma Thurman sneaking into a party in a gorilla suit 6) Take two of these and call me in the morning 7) A dog getting frozen while peeing on a fire hydrant 8) Giant gothic statue architecture 9) Fake rubber lips 10) Lionel Luthor as a crazy scientist 11) Alicia Silverstone underground motorcycle race 12) Don't forget to winterize your pipes 13) Freeze watching a bunch of old cartoons about winter while wearing polar bear slippers 14) 3 mph max speed giant batmobile 15) Goofy pose Clooney does the first time he catches Freeze 16) Bat skates 17) Knowing what killed the dinosaurs 18) Sculpted butt plates 19) Neon lighting everywhere 20) Poison Ivy's costume 21) Poison Ivy's camp acting 22) The duuuun dun dun dun DUN DUN dundun theme music 23) They put Ivy in the same cell as Freeze 24) Any brief moment Arnold is actually serious about Nora 25) Batgirl kicking Poison Ivy's butt 26) Robin/Batgirl romance (a lot more appropriate than Batgirl/Batman!) 27) Clooney anytime he's Bruce Wayne 28) Always gotta love lasers powered by a diamond 29) Still the best Alfred from the previous 3 movies 30) Smashing Pumpkins
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I could probably list 30 things off the top of my head I love about it. You put a 0 beside the 1 on accident.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I could probably list 30 things off the top of my head I love about it. Can confirm this is correct. That was a cool song from the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Batman and Robin is a painful movie to see and I probably still have retinal damage due to the amount of neon light being strobed into my brain. Whereas Batman Forever couldn't decide if it wanted to be campy or Burtonesquely crazy Batman and Robin decided to overcompensate by going full blown camp.
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Batman Forever is fairly enjoyable for many of the same reasons people cite for B&R: Nicole Kidman vamps it up almost as much as Thurman, Jones and especially Carrey are gloriously cartoonish (and much like Thurman, Carrey's clearly channeling a star from an earlier generation, in his case Frank Gorshin) and I think Kilmer gets a bad rap for having to be the stoic eye at the heart of the storm. Batman & Robin has a lot of the same elements, but the third act in particular is just far too long. The bits people enjoy there are about 40% of the actual picture, and the rest of the time you're just bored.
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Jamesman posted:Also rewatching that part of the movie made me feel like Rashida Jones could be a good Lois Lane. Too bad she's a lovely person.
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FilthyImp posted:What's wrong with her?? She made a documentary and then series on sex work for Netflix that uses content without permission and doxxes the performers portrayed.
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I like Batman Forever even though I wish they'd cast someone else as Two-Face and I'm not wild about B&R but I'd absolutely watch it before Returns again Forever and B&R at least absolutely know what kind of movie they are, Returns isn't even sure what's happening in it much less a tone or consistent characters
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Blockhouse posted:Forever and B&R at least absolutely know what kind of movie they are, Returns isn't even sure what's happening in it much less a tone or consistent characters WB was like "okay Tim we've got three plot ideas for you, you can either do a grounded take on Batman fighting corporate corruption, some sadomasochistic poo poo with Catwoman, or a totally campy revamp of one of the silliest Batman '66 episodes" and Burton was only like, half-listening, this is what I choose to believe.
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