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https://twitter.com/klaszus/status/1371966867036774400?s=19

Forgot about this article, and also how mad albertans got about it

# ? Mar 17, 2021 16:42

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# ? May 27, 2024 01:46

Slotducks: Oct 16, 2008; Nobody puts Phil in a corner.

I look forward to Doug Ford ramming this through before the election

https://pressprogress.ca/uber-is-lobbying-canadian-provinces-to-rewrite-labour-laws-and-create-a-new-underclass-of-workers/

# ? Mar 17, 2021 16:44

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Slotducks posted:

I look forward to Doug Ford ramming this through before the election

https://pressprogress.ca/uber-is-lobbying-canadian-provinces-to-rewrite-labour-laws-and-create-a-new-underclass-of-workers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PnuXelvWA&t=62s

# ? Mar 17, 2021 16:49

Another Bill: Sep 27, 2018; Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

I know a teacher who had to go to work today even though his wife and children are in 2 weeks of mandatory isolation because one of his children's teachers tested COVID positive.

Canadian Labour Law is pretty lovely to being with.

# ? Mar 17, 2021 17:31

Isizzlehorn: Feb 25, 2010

Slotducks posted:

I look forward to Doug Ford ramming this through before the election

https://pressprogress.ca/uber-is-lobbying-canadian-provinces-to-rewrite-labour-laws-and-create-a-new-underclass-of-workers/

Seems unnecessary when the real legislation they'll need is liability waved during automated ride share road accidents.

# ? Mar 17, 2021 20:22

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

better get flying car insurance too

# ? Mar 17, 2021 21:20

prom candy: Dec 16, 2005; Only I may dance

Isizzlehorn posted:

Seems unnecessary when the real legislation they'll need is liability waved during automated ride share road accidents.

We are nowhere close to automated ride sharing

# ? Mar 17, 2021 21:50

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

Harold Stassen has issued a correction as of 17:00 on Jun 28, 2021

# ? Mar 17, 2021 22:37

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

I wish journalism still existed to the extant that someone of prominence would get noticed publicly questioning the fact that the AZ vaccine is all but defenseless against the SA coronavirus variant which is currently spreading untraced

having a hard time parsing this, but if you're saying the az vaccine is defenceless against a variant, got a link?

# ? Mar 17, 2021 23:09

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

pokeyman posted:

having a hard time parsing this, but if you're saying the az vaccine is defenceless against a variant, got a link?

NEJM from yesterday: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214?query=featured_home

quote:

BACKGROUND
Assessment of the safety and efficacy of vaccines against the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in different populations is essential, as is investigation of the efficacy of the vaccines against emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern, including the B.1.351 (501Y.V2) variant first identified in South Africa.

METHODS
We conducted a multicenter, double-blind, randomized, controlled trial to assess the safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) in people not infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in South Africa. Participants 18 to less than 65 years of age were assigned in a 1:1 ratio to receive two doses of vaccine containing 5�1010 viral particles or placebo (0.9% sodium chloride solution) 21 to 35 days apart. Serum samples obtained from 25 participants after the second dose were tested by pseudovirus and live-virus neutralization assays against the original D614G virus and the B.1.351 variant. The primary end points were safety and efficacy of the vaccine against laboratory-confirmed symptomatic coronavirus 2019 illness (Covid-19) more than 14 days after the second dose.

RESULTS
Between June 24 and November 9, 2020, we enrolled 2026 HIV-negative adults (median age, 30 years); 1010 and 1011 participants received at least one dose of placebo or vaccine, respectively. Both the pseudovirus and the live-virus neutralization assays showed greater resistance to the B.1.351 variant in serum samples obtained from vaccine recipients than in samples from placebo recipients. In the primary end-point analysis, mild-to-moderate Covid-19 developed in 23 of 717 placebo recipients (3.2%) and in 19 of 750 vaccine recipients (2.5%), for an efficacy of 21.9% (95% confidence interval [CI], −49.9 to 59.8). Among the 42 participants with Covid-19, 39 cases (92.9%) were caused by the B.1.351 variant; vaccine efficacy against this variant, analyzed as a secondary end point, was 10.4% (95% CI, −76.8 to 54.8). The incidence of serious adverse events was balanced between the vaccine and placebo groups.

CONCLUSIONS
A two-dose regimen of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine did not show protection against mild-to-moderate Covid-19 due to the B.1.351 variant. (Funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and others; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04444674. opens in new tab; Pan African Clinical Trials Registry number, PACTR202006922165132. opens in new tab).

# ? Mar 17, 2021 23:40

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

Harold Stassen has issued a correction as of 17:01 on Jun 28, 2021

# ? Mar 17, 2021 23:43

Isizzlehorn: Feb 25, 2010

prom candy posted:

We are nowhere close to automated ride sharing

Think that's going to stop them? Lmao

# ? Mar 18, 2021 00:49

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

vyelkin posted:

NEJM from yesterday: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214?query=featured_home

thanks!

I'm curious if there's any difference in effectiveness for severe symptoms (study had no hospitalizations or deaths), or if there's any reason getting the az vaccine would preclude someone from getting another later on (I assume not?)

I'm no expert, but calling it a "useless" vaccine seems a bit premature

# ? Mar 18, 2021 03:04

Goosed it.: Nov 3, 2011

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

I wish journalism still existed to the extant that someone of prominence would get noticed publicly questioning the fact that the AZ vaccine is all but defenseless against the SA coronavirus variant which is currently spreading untraced

So much this. In BC the non-independent journalists just parrot whatever the government days without scrutiny. For instance, BC's definition of an outbreak in schools differs from every other setting. Journalists have not pushed back on this, even when a single school has several cases at once or many exposure notices in a short period of time.

Journalists shouldn't be conspiracy theorists but they should be willing to scrutinize government claims.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 07:05

Goosed it.: Nov 3, 2011

pokeyman posted:

thanks!

I'm curious if there's any difference in effectiveness for severe symptoms (study had no hospitalizations or deaths), or if there's any reason getting the az vaccine would preclude someone from getting another later on (I assume not?)

I'm no expert, but calling it a "useless" vaccine seems a bit premature

One thing I'm curious about, but I don't think we have any data on, is how vaccines impact long covid. We know that the approved vaccines protect against severe covid and death but it looks like many people who get long covid had few to no symptoms. Do these vaccines protect against long term outcomes from mild infection?

# ? Mar 18, 2021 07:07

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Goosed it. posted:

One thing I'm curious about, but I don't think we have any data on, is how vaccines impact long covid. We know that the approved vaccines protect against severe covid and death but it looks like many people who get long covid had few to no symptoms. Do these vaccines protect against long term outcomes from mild infection?

priority should be on avoiding death etc. but yeah, totally curious about long covid in general. I don't doubt that it's a thing, but how often is it self-diagnosed, are people just paying more attention to their bodies (for good reason!), will a vaccinated population mean enough of a break from the crushing anxiety that people get better on their own, so many questions

and still so many ways to gently caress it up

# ? Mar 18, 2021 08:08

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

yeah, I don't doubt that long covid is a thing but the wikipedia page for it has a couple "this is from questionably-sourced medical research" warnings and in one part outright admits no one actually knows what long covid *is*. it would not be surprised if some "long covid" patients are just suffering from hypochondria brought on by post-traumatic stress

# ? Mar 18, 2021 08:25

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

Harold Stassen has issued a correction as of 17:01 on Jun 28, 2021

# ? Mar 18, 2021 13:04

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

Wow the human mind so powerful as to permanently scar your lungs...

# ? Mar 18, 2021 14:38

Isentropy: Dec 12, 2010

Kazinsal posted:

Post viral fatigue was a thing before COVID

# ? Mar 18, 2021 15:09

Goosed it.: Nov 3, 2011

Kazinsal posted:

yeah, I don't doubt that long covid is a thing but the wikipedia page for it has a couple "this is from questionably-sourced medical research" warnings and in one part outright admits no one actually knows what long covid *is*.

You know this is true for many medical conditions, right?

Like pre-eclampsia, that thing that has been killing women in childbirth for millennia has a constantly changing and evolving definition. The primary diagnostic criteria for MS have changed twice in the past decade. Definitional ambiguity is extremely common in medicine.

And there are real sources on long covid.

Here's one from The Lancet: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33428867/
Here's one from JAMA: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33606031/
Here's one from Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01292-y

# ? Mar 18, 2021 17:30

BGrifter: Mar 16, 2007; Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

gently caress Tom Mulcair

�Tom Mulcair in Macleans on Jagmeet Singh� posted:

Tragically, some elements of his caucus have chosen to ride their anti-Israel hobby horse at this precise moment and it will take all of Singh�s considerable skills not to let it become an unnecessary distraction. Even as historical elements from his Party�s fringes try to ignite the issue, Singh will be required to waste precious energy and time explaining that talk of �Israel apartheid� and shmoozing with Jeremy Corbin are out of line with established NDP policy and out of synch with Canadian voters.

source if anyone wants to read Mulcair slobbering all over the Libs for way too many paragraphs.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-to-expect-from-the-liberals-an-election-asap/

# ? Mar 18, 2021 18:52

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Kazinsal posted:

yeah, I don't doubt that long covid is a thing but the wikipedia page for it has a couple "this is from questionably-sourced medical research" warnings and in one part outright admits no one actually knows what long covid *is*. it would not be surprised if some "long covid" patients are just suffering from hypochondria brought on by post-traumatic stress

https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-says-her-severe-long-covid-vanished-after-vaccine-2021-3

Here's one for sure that was just a mental thing. Placebo effects are crazy

# ? Mar 18, 2021 19:30

Another Bill: Sep 27, 2018; Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Terror Sweat posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-says-her-severe-long-covid-vanished-after-vaccine-2021-3

Here's one for sure that was just a mental thing. Placebo effects are crazy

Pretty weak troll bro 2/10

# ? Mar 18, 2021 19:30

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

BGrifter posted:

gently caress Tom Mulcair

source if anyone wants to read Mulcair slobbering all over the Libs for way too many paragraphs.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-to-expect-from-the-liberals-an-election-asap/

what a shithead

# ? Mar 18, 2021 19:33

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

BGrifter posted:

gently caress Tom Mulcair

source if anyone wants to read Mulcair slobbering all over the Libs for way too many paragraphs.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-to-expect-from-the-liberals-an-election-asap/

that nasty man jeremy corbin taking his political poison across the atlantic!

The pure hatred of jeremy corbin by the traditional liberal establishment cannot be understated. ever.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 19:36

Nairbo: Jan 2, 2005

Mulcair fuckin sucks rear end, going after Jezza on Macleans of all place shows you which side he's on

# ? Mar 18, 2021 20:26

Slotducks: Oct 16, 2008; Nobody puts Phil in a corner.

Macleans is weird - they have Andray Domise regularly write in their paper which is exactly the opposite of what Maclean's should/would want in their magazine

# ? Mar 18, 2021 20:30

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

mulcair's not wrong, taking a stance on anything is pretty out of sync with the two parties of power. though it's unfortunate he said "canadian voters" instead of "the two parties of power"

# ? Mar 18, 2021 20:31

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

the other party also avoids taking a stance on anything, despite the fact that the stakes have never been lower

# ? Mar 18, 2021 20:35

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

so, doug made a thing,
https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/1372693224511447042?s=21

# ? Mar 19, 2021 03:06

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

i dont think i have ever seen something more sycophantic. thats art

# ? Mar 19, 2021 03:12

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

BGrifter posted:

gently caress Tom Mulcair

source if anyone wants to read Mulcair slobbering all over the Libs for way too many paragraphs.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/what-to-expect-from-the-liberals-an-election-asap/

absolutely the worst

# ? Mar 19, 2021 03:14

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

Juul-Whip posted:

so, doug made a thing,
https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/1372693224511447042?s=21

thank you thank you thank you

oh we don't actually have anything yet but I will thank you more when it actually shows up, if it even shows up

but thank you, thank you, thank you

# ? Mar 19, 2021 03:15

Slotducks: Oct 16, 2008; Nobody puts Phil in a corner.

I hope Doug unintentionally alienates like half his voting base who were ride or die in love with Trump despite having 3 government issued replacement joints and a heavily union backed pension by sucking biden's proverbial dick

# ? Mar 19, 2021 03:18

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

i hate our big dumb premier

# ? Mar 19, 2021 11:47

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

e: meant to post in d&d

# ? Mar 19, 2021 14:12