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twoday posted:Turns out that being a socialist party with nationalist tendencies isn’t a viable strategy to attract racists when there are actual fascists to vote for instead its such a dumbass move
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theyre going to burn the champs elisey
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twoday posted:Do ballots in other EU countries also look like this? jesus. we get like 15-20 numbers and circle one of them and that's that. could be missing one of two numbers even if you live in bumfuck where not every party serious enough to run bothered to have a candidate sometimes (very rarely) there's two ballots(!) if there's also a referendum or something at the same time to save some monies by combining things, but those are generally yes/no things
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We do have entry requirements per district as well, so the lists are smaller in backwater places. Still, I believe at least 20 of those ran in all districts.
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 "I would like a cabinet with VVD, D66, CDA and Volt. A good mix of liberal, progressive and conservative. Future-oriented and also here and now. Embracing Europe but at the same time moderate. Environmentally oriented but at the same time moderate. " pragmatism is a brain disease
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing people that D66 is in any way 'left wing' and/or progressive
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Truga posted:jesus. Every single electable person (for 150 seats) of each party is listed. Most people vote for the top person of their chosen party (the 'list puller'). Mostly seats are filled from the top of the list down. But you can also vote for a specific other person and if someone gets enough votes they'll get the seat instead of the next person in line on the list. In fact, we have so called 'list pushers' which are famous people who are on the bottom of the list to pull people in but then when they get enough votes to get a seat over the people above them on the list they simply refuse to take the seat. So basically it's just advertising, right there on the ballot.
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oliwan posted:The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing people that D66 is in any way 'left wing' and/or progressive They're "center left", which is technically true. But then nobody tells them the center hopped nine paces rightward.
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Griefor posted:Every single electable person (for 150 seats) of each party is listed. Most people vote for the top person of their chosen party (the 'list puller'). Mostly seats are filled from the top of the list down. But you can also vote for a specific other person and if someone gets enough votes they'll get the seat instead of the next person in line on the list. In fact, we have so called 'list pushers' which are famous people who are on the bottom of the list to pull people in but then when they get enough votes to get a seat over the people above them on the list they simply refuse to take the seat. So basically it's just advertising, right there on the ballot. Reason for this is because were supposed to vote for people, not parties, to represent us and political parties originally had no legal basis. Welp. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 08:49 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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The Puppet Master posted:
a mind totally destroyed by centrist fantasies. I am in awe of how sick and deluded a person must be to think like this. bedpan has issued a correction as of 19:32 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Mar 18, 2021 19:30
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I'm not sure what a moderate environmental agenda even is. We're killing off the planet but at a pace where the old rich fucks profiteering off it get to die of old age before the rest of us starve/choke/boil to death on our unihabitable rock?
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The Puppet Master posted:
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Do normal then you do already crazy enough!
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Truga posted:jesus. the reason there are so many boxes is because you can directly pick a candidate you want to be in office, not sure if it works that way elsewhere, probably not So, say I like party #8. They have 20 candidates listed. I am allowed to fill in one spot on the paper. I vote for candidate #13 of party #8. My vote counts for party #8 in any case. But then, even though they ran 20 candidates, they only won 3 seats. When they are figuring out who to put in those seats, they look at the 3 candidates with the highest votes. This time was the most parties ever running (38, I think?), and 17 parties ended up with some of the 150 seats in parliament (also a record).
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I voted for the #3 of Bij1 because she explicitly called herself an anticapitalist in her bio on the website  20% of Dutch people voted for one of three fascist parties (or four if you count the farmer's party run by FARMERS DEFENCE FORCE) 
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Mar 19, 2021 01:29
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never ever netherlands
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ekuNNN posted:I voted for the #3 of Bij1 because she explicitly called herself an anticapitalist in her bio on the website anti-kapitalist tot in de kist
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twoday posted:the reason there are so many boxes is because you can directly pick a candidate you want to be in office, not sure if it works that way elsewhere, probably not ok yeah that makes sense, over here we just vote for party and there's only one candidate per party per district
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Imagine a country so european that the EU allows it to be ungovernable.
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Southpaugh posted:Imagine a country so european that the EU allows it to be ungovernable.
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frankenfreak posted:Imagine? Belgium exists!
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Southpaugh posted:Imagine a country so european that the EU allows it to be ungovernable. The responsible classes need somewhere to park their money.
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lol yup, I think any of the benelux nations fit the bill.
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cmon dont sell yourself short. scandinavia is also garbage
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Griefor posted:Every single electable person (for 150 seats) of each party is listed. We have similar size nominee lists in Finland, but they are listed on the wall of the voting booth. For voting we use a small piece of paper, where you write your candidates number:  Edit: We use d'hondt method, so your vote goes for the party, but the nominee order is based purely on the votes they personally get within the party. Issaries has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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adhuin posted:We have similar size nominee lists in Finland, but they are listed on the wall of the voting booth. A lot of votes must be miscounted because of poor handwriting, right?
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spankmeister posted:A lot of votes must be miscounted because of poor handwriting, right? Surprisingly few of them are. About 0.5% of votes are not counted each election. Over half of which contain inappropriate markings (vote for Donald Duck and Vagina-drawings are two classics). Next biggest group is blank votes and then votes with indecipherable numbers.
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ekuNNN posted:I voted for the #3 of Bij1 because she explicitly called herself an anticapitalist in her bio on the website Both for that and as an extra Fuckyou to SP I voted for her.
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ekuNNN posted:I voted for the #3 of Bij1 because she explicitly called herself an anticapitalist in her bio on the website Haha, what? Farmers Defense Force? I can't help imagining a transformer type of cartoon where a bunch of farmers their tractors transform and fuse into a giant bot to go chase rabbits off a field. Here in Belgium the socialists changed their name to Vooruit. With some legal issues, because it's the name of a big art center and also some local political parties. Their logo also looks like a robot anus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQIofoSvEXk&t=528s But hey, kids, we wear sneakers now, we're cool and hip now, hooray! Also, not really socialist.
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Was this SP.a or PVDA? (Incidentally I've always found it humorous that the Dutch SP and PvdA, and Belgian SP.a and PVDA were pretty much reversed from one another).
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mrfart posted:Haha, what? Farmers Defense Force?  They're mainly angry about environmental regulations and Zwarte Piet changing to a less racist version 
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why do these nativist assholes always have english names for their organisations this legitimately bugs me
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Nativists in the Netherlands want their country to basically completely be culturally assimilated by the US, the only cultures they are afraid of are all the ones where the people are too brown. Most of the "native" culture they are trying to protect is already imported from abroad. Except for all the racist poo poo like Zwarte Piet and the literal slaves depicted on the golden carriage the king rides around in, those are all true original Dutch culture. The good news is that if the sea level keeps rising from global warming half the country will revert to sea.
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lmao and Gibson thought rising seas would make Netherlands the leader of the global anti-US coalition
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Griefor posted:Nativists in the Netherlands want their country to basically completely be culturally assimilated by the US, the only cultures they are afraid of are all the ones where the people are too brown.
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I live in the Western most sea threatened part of the Netherlands and I loving welcome our inevitable future destruction by the tide. People just keep voting against their own interests because they only start paying attention to the government the last week before the election.
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The most insidious part of the discourse in the Netherlands is that middle class people believe en-block that even though there are issues in politics to discuss about, at the end of the day everyone living in the country has it good and no one has any *real* problems. Which is just so goddamn far from the truth, but we've really managed to build ourselves a nice little class apartheid system where you don't have to interact at all with the people living in precarity if you don't belong to that class unless you actively choose to. And anyone from the middle class and up having to deal with a serious problem (due to defunding of state institutions leading to more and more people slipping through the cracks and just being hosed over mercilessly, like say, youth mental health care being an utter disaster right now) is just mentally filed as an unfortunate (and shocking and totally unexpected) incident rather than the symptom of a giant structural problem which it absolutely is. In related news I loving loathe my countrymen. Oh and yes, it cannot be overstated how absolutely uncritical Dutch society in general is of the US and US culture. Also see Black Friday and Halloween somehow being loving things here now. I'm legit liable to start ranting about the destruction of Dutch culture and traditions if I get trick or treated. The gently caress out of here with that poo poo. I'm half expecting idiots to start doing Thanksgiving next. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 13:17 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Orange Devil posted:In related news I loving loathe my countrymen. 
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