Coronavirus 2021: I Threw Up On My Sheep

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learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Even if it�s 50% then that�s 1000 cases when there are 6.73 million school kids in the U.K. even 1000 in a million of them is less than they estimate is knocking round the general population.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 20:29

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goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

First AZ dose done.

The centre I got it done at, in return for volunteering to do stewarding (managed to swap to the rather more salubrious Islington instead of Croydon) was surprisingly quiet - they were only managing ~400 a day despite having capacity for easily 4 times that. Apparently the local GPs haven't been referring people to the specialist centres, preferring to do the jabs themselves even though they have much less capacity. There's talk of opening it up to walk-ins and apparently some of the other centres will literally send people out into the street at around 6pm to grab passers-by to use up any unused doses, so if there's one nearby might be worth lurking around to see what happens.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:05

Steely Dad: Jul 29, 2006

Alan Smithee posted:

Also Stanford is doing them

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/discover/covid-19-resource-center/patient-care/safety-health-vaccine-planning.html

Go to �by phone� and call the number. Mom got her second there today. It might be just enough off the beaten path that they�ll have a better chance

I�m gettin popped tomorrow at Moscone WOOOOOOO USA

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:27

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Steely Dad posted:

I�m gettin popped tomorrow at Moscone WOOOOOOO USA

look man your personal poo poo is just that

when and where are you getting vaccinated

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:29

Lazyhound: Mar 1, 2004; A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous—got me?

New mysterious disease dropped.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:31

SulfurMonoxideCute: Feb 9, 2008; I was under direct orders not to die
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Lazyhound posted:

New mysterious disease dropped.

Obviously this is a manufactured brain disease to destroy America.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:48

Desperado Bones: Aug 29, 2009; Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!

Lazyhound posted:

New mysterious disease dropped.

I wonder if it's going to turn out to be like that poo poo you get when you bath in a lake and this type of tiny parasite crawls up your nose and gives you brain damage.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:50

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Picnic Princess posted:

Obviously this is a manufactured brain disease to destroy America.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 21:53

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

redreader posted:

Please laugh at me: I got an appointment in CA for the pfizer vaccine tomorrow. Last night our kids were suddenly snot monsters so we're keeping them home from daycare for a few days and getting them covid tested and I cancelled my appointment tomorrow.

Here lies redreader, he never scored a vaccine.

Our county's positive test results are at 1.4% so I'm pretty sure it's just a cold (it seems like a cold so far, sniffs and coughs due to post nasal drip) but I don't want to spread covid in the vaccine line. I'm unbelievably frustrated and feel like a loving fool! it was PFIZER!!!! gently caress!!!

You really should not have canceled that appointment. There is data from Israel showing that the vaccines provide some amount of sterilization along with the immunity, so even if you'd had it, the vaccine would've probably taken care of it. You should reschedule that asap

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:01

dwarf74: Sep 2, 2012; Buglord

First shot down, central IL.

No side effects yet beyond a sudden weird nostalgia for MS-DOS.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:03

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

HonorableTB posted:

You really should not have canceled that appointment. There is data from Israel showing that the vaccines provide some amount of sterilization along with the immunity, so even if you'd had it, the vaccine would've probably taken care of it. You should reschedule that asap

really really shouldnt have canceled

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:03

Zeriel: Nov 6, 2004

redreader posted:

Please laugh at me: I got an appointment in CA for the pfizer vaccine tomorrow. Last night our kids were suddenly snot monsters so we're keeping them home from daycare for a few days and getting them covid tested and I cancelled my appointment tomorrow.

Here lies redreader, he never scored a vaccine.

Our county's positive test results are at 1.4% so I'm pretty sure it's just a cold (it seems like a cold so far, sniffs and coughs due to post nasal drip) but I don't want to spread covid in the vaccine line. I'm unbelievably frustrated and feel like a loving fool! it was PFIZER!!!! gently caress!!!

I am glad that you decided not to potentially expose other people to coronavirus.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:05

Xaintrailles: Aug 14, 2015

Exposing other people to a cold during this pandemic is a bad thing to do because if it spreads then they have to isolate themselves, get tested etc.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:15

Spinz: Jan 7, 2020; I ordered luscious new gemstones from India and made new earrings for my SA mart thread

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Zeriel posted:

I am glad that you decided not to potentially expose other people to coronavirus.

They did the right thing, agreed

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:20

Rolo: Nov 16, 2005; Hmm, what have we here?

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Yikes. I hope you feel better. From what I've read in this thread it only lasts like a day or two and then just goes away. "Like a miracle." Who knows though, you could have lingering effects for a few days. But hey, it's better than covid!

Thanks, and yeah small price to be moving forward. I think I�m already better than I was this morning.

Might be the Boston cream pie ice cream I just ate.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:25

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Spinz posted:

They did the right thing, agreed

They did the right thing by not just cancelling, but by cancelling with enough notice that the shot probably won�t go to waste.

I would have been tempted to at least sleep on it and see how I felt in the morning.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:28

screech on the beach: Mar 9, 2004

I got my first dose of moderna on Tuesday morning, had the typical arm soreness and a little fatigued and that was about it. On Tuesday evening I noticed the redness around the injection site but it�s been spreading slightly ever since, it might be �covid arm� but I thought that was supposed to pop up days later :shrug:

I have a call in to my doctor but didn�t hear back today. The soreness is gone thankfully.

Edit: I had a mild case of covid at the beginning of December

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:28

Lolie: Jun 4, 2010; AUSGBS Thread Mum

ymgve posted:

All of Europe is in panic after a few people who got the AZ vaccine got blood clots and some died - so now my jab will be in may-june instead of possibly next month.

The EMA has found (as expected) that there's no link. There's no justification for keeping vaccination programmes on hold.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:47

redreader: Nov 2, 2009; I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.; Dinosaur Gum

Platystemon posted:

They did the right thing by not just cancelling, but by cancelling with enough notice that the shot probably won�t go to waste.

I would have been tempted to at least sleep on it and see how I felt in the morning.

I slept on it last night and saw how I felt in the morning: fine.

But since my kids are sick I decided not to risk it. They just got a covid test about 30 minutes ago. Whatever. I'll schedule another for next week if possible. I think I did the right thing by not potentially exposing people at Moscone to my potential covid. I may feel sick when it's the day of my shot. Given how this normally works: I will be sick for the next 5 days with a cold, and lingering effects for about 2 weeks.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:51

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

redreader posted:

I slept on it last night and saw how I felt in the morning: fine.

But since my kids are sick I decided not to risk it. They just got a covid test about 30 minutes ago. Whatever. I'll schedule another for next week if possible. I think I did the right thing by not potentially exposing people at Moscone to my potential covid. I may feel sick when it's the day of my shot. Given how this normally works: I will be sick for the next 5 days with a cold, and lingering effects for about 2 weeks.

i dont think you understand how this works

get the vaccine

# ? Mar 18, 2021 22:53

EngineerJoe: Aug 8, 2004; -=whore=-

Alan Smithee posted:

i dont think you understand how this works

get the vaccine

I don't think he's doing anything wrong? If his kids have covid it would be bad to expose others to it, and if it is covid he might be infected already and you shouldn't get the vaccine until some time after recovering from it.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:05

redreader: Nov 2, 2009; I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.; Dinosaur Gum

I want to know how it works! Please explain?

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:06

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

There�s no specific recovery time, they just don�t want you to be contagious at the vaccination site.

quote:

Data from clinical trials indicate that the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines can be given safely to people with evidence of a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. People should be offered vaccination regardless of history of prior symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. Viral testing to assess for acute SARS-CoV-2 infection or serologic testing to assess for prior infection is not recommended for the purposes of vaccine decision-making.

Vaccination of people with known current SARS-CoV-2 infection should be deferred until the person has recovered from the acute illness (if the person had symptoms) and they have met criteria to discontinue isolation. This recommendation applies to people who experience SARS-CoV-2 infection before receiving any vaccine dose and those who experience SARS-CoV-2 infection after the first dose of an mRNA vaccine but before receipt of the second dose.

While there is no recommended minimum interval between infection and vaccination, current evidence suggests that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection is low in the months after initial infection but may increase with time due to waning immunity. Thus, while vaccine supply remains limited, people with recent documented acute SARS-CoV-2 infection may choose to temporarily delay vaccination, if desired, recognizing that the risk of reinfection and, therefore, the need for vaccination, might increase with time following initial infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html#CoV-19-vaccination

It�s suggested that a person can wait ninety days after recovering from an infection, but that�s because you maybe could without much fear of reinfection, not because a shorter period will break the vaccine.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:12

azurite: Jul 25, 2010; Strange, isn't it?!

Alan Smithee posted:

i dont think you understand how this works

get the vaccine

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/isolation.html

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:13

redreader: Nov 2, 2009; I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.; Dinosaur Gum

Yeah, so I called the hotline that the Moscone center has, and it turns out it was the CA hotline. I asked a 'general' question: 'kids are sick, I'm not, should I cancel' and the person was like , 'uhhhhhhh I'll transfer you to someone from the right extension and explain your problem'. I got through to that person who didn't know anything about my problem, so I re-explained and they were like 'oh so you want to cancel?' me: 'no. I'm asking if I SHOULD cancel'. Them: 'uuhhhhh????? IDK????? I'm the wrong person to ask!'

So I checked what the health screening questions were for 'should I get vaccinated' and it's basically:
1: are you sick right now
2: have you been exposed to anyone with covid

And my answers to those are:
1: no
2: quite possibly, in fact! my kids just got a test! last time the result came back in 2 days.

So even if I did the lovely thing and tried to go, if I honestly answered their questions they would have turned me away.

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:20

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Lolie posted:

The EMA has found (as expected) that there's no link. There's no justification for keeping vaccination programmes on hold.

If it were this simple the EMA wouldn't have spent a lot of text explaining what they have found.
I guess it's a good idea to just reproduce the report because I know Anglo media certainly won't.

quote:

EMA�s safety committee, PRAC, concluded its preliminary review of a signal of blood clots in people vaccinated with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca at its extraordinary meeting of 18 March 2021. The Committee confirmed that:

the benefits of the vaccine in combating the still widespread threat of COVID-19 (which itself results in clotting problems and may be fatal) continue to outweigh the risk of side effects;

the vaccine is not associated with an increase in the overall risk of blood clots (thromboembolic events) in those who receive it;

there is no evidence of a problem related to specific batches of the vaccine or to particular manufacturing sites;

however, the vaccine may be associated with very rare cases of blood clots associated with thrombocytopenia, i.e. low levels of blood platelets (elements in the blood that help it to clot) with or without bleeding, including rare cases of clots in the vessels draining blood from the brain (CVST).

These are rare cases � around 20 million people in the UK and EEA had received the vaccine as of March 16 and EMA had reviewed only 7 cases of blood clots in multiple blood vessels (disseminated intravascular coagulation, DIC) and 18 cases of CVST. A causal link with the vaccine is not proven, but is possible and deserves further analysis.

The PRAC involved experts in blood disorders in its review, and worked closely with other health authorities including the UK�s MHRA which has experience with administration of this vaccine to around 11 million people. Overall the number of thromboembolic events reported after vaccination, both in studies before licensing and in reports after rollout of vaccination campaigns (469 reports, 191 of them from the EEA), was lower than that expected in the general population. This allows the PRAC to confirm that there is no increase in overall risk of blood clots. However, in younger patients there remain some concerns, related in particular to these rare cases.

The Committee�s experts looked in extreme detail at records of DIC and CVST reported from Member States, 9 of which resulted in death. Most of these occurred in people under 55 and the majority were women. Because these events are rare, and COVID-19 itself often causes blood clotting disorders in patients, it is difficult to estimate a background rate for these events in people who have not had the vaccine. However, based on pre-COVID figures it was calculated that less than 1 reported case of DIC might have been expected by 16 March among people under 50 within 14 days of receiving the vaccine, whereas 5 cases had been reported. Similarly, on average 1.35 cases of CVST might have been expected among this age group whereas by the same cut-off date there had been 12. A similar imbalance was not visible in the older population given the vaccine.

The Committee was of the opinion that the vaccine�s proven efficacy in preventing hospitalisation and death from COVID-19 outweighs the extremely small likelihood of developing DIC or CVST. However, in the light of its findings, patients should be aware of the remote possibility of such syndromes, and if symptoms suggestive of clotting problems occur patients should seek immediate medical attention and inform healthcare professionals of their recent vaccination. Steps are already being taken to update the product information for the vaccine to include more information on these risks.

The PRAC will undertake additional review of these risks, including looking at the risks with other types of COVID-19 vaccines (although no signal has been identified from monitoring so far). Close safety monitoring of reports of blood clotting disorders will continue, and further studies are being instituted to provide more laboratory data as well as real-world evidence. EMA will communicate further as appropriate.

Information for patients

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is not associated with an increased overall risk of blood clotting disorders.

There have been very rare cases of unusual blood clots accompanied by low levels of blood platelets (components that help blood to clot) after vaccination. The reported cases were almost all in women under 55.

Because COVID-19 can be so serious and is so widespread, the benefits of the vaccine in preventing it outweigh the risks of side effects.

However, if you get any of the following after receiving the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca:

breathlessness,

pain in the chest or stomach,

swelling or coldness in an arm or leg,

severe or worsening headache or blurred vision after vaccination,

persistent bleeding,

multiple small bruises, reddish or purplish spots, or blood blisters under the skin,

please seek prompt medical assistance and mention your recent vaccination.

Information for healthcare professionals

Cases of thrombosis and thrombocytopenia, some presenting as mesenteric vein or cerebral vein/cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, have been reported in persons who had recently received COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, mostly occurring within 14 days after vaccination. The majority of reports involved women under 55, although some of this may reflect greater exposure of such individuals due to targeting of particular populations for vaccine campaigns in different Member States.

The number of reported events exceeds those expected, and causality although not confirmed, cannot therefore be excluded. However, given the rarity of the events, and the difficulty of establishing baseline incidence since COVID-19 itself is resulting in hospitalisations with thromboembolic complications, the strength of any association is uncertain.

EMA considers that the benefit-risk balance of the medicine remains positive, and there is no association with thromboembolic disorders overall. However, steps will be taken to update the SmPC and package leaflet with information on cases of DIC and CVST that have occurred.
Healthcare professionals are urged to be alert for possible cases of thromboembolism, DIC or CVST occurring in vaccinated individuals.

Recipients should be warned to seek immediate medical attention for symptoms of thromboembolism, and especially signs of thrombocytopenia and cerebral blood clots such as easy bruising or bleeding, and persistent or severe headache, particularly beyond 3 days after vaccination.

A direct healthcare professional communication (DHPC) will be sent to healthcare professionals prescribing, dispensing or administering the medicine. The DHPC will also be published on a dedicated page on the EMA website.

And that's pretty much all as expected. Everyone had a good look at the data, identified something was a bit off, and now they are adjusting guidance and looking for more data.

Not that it'll change much, AZ isn't delivering anyway.

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Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

it would've been a supremely, insanely dick move to expose people at the vaccine line so thank you for your service

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:42

QuarkJets: Sep 8, 2008

I don't know for certain what the right answer is but I think it's not knowingly bringing an infectious disease to a vaccine site, regardless of whether that's covid or a cold virus

# ? Mar 18, 2021 23:56

HugeGrossBurrito: Mar 20, 2018

the school gave us a "meal" for promising not to tell the students a bunch of students have covid, shockingly I told the students, im in a lot of trouble lol

HugeGrossBurrito fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 8, 2021

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:04

Zil: Jun 4, 2011; Satanically Summoned Citrus

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the school gave us a "meal" for promising not to tell the students a bunch of students have covid, shockingly I told the students, im in a lot of trouble lol

Always a good sign when telling the truth gets you in trouble. I know it may not be possible, but surely you are looking for a new school to work for?

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:06

QuarkJets: Sep 8, 2008

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the school gave us a "meal" for promising not to tell the students a bunch of students have covid, shockingly I told the students, im in a lot of trouble lol

This sounds like the kind of thing that a reporter would love to write a story about

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:29

HugeGrossBurrito: Mar 20, 2018

QuarkJets posted:

This sounds like the kind of thing that a reporter would love to write a story about

Lol you�d think so but the local reporters are disinterested, their paper absolutely doesn�t support the school board members who voted for this.

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:32

HugeGrossBurrito: Mar 20, 2018

This is with only maybe 5% of students going in.

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:33

poll plane variant: Jan 12, 2021; by sebmojo

drat they're calling y'all monkeys with that "meal"

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:40

Kaiju Cage Match: Nov 5, 2012

SchnorkIes posted:

drat they're calling y'all monkeys with that "meal"

HGB needs their potassium and vitamin c.

# ? Mar 19, 2021 00:56

AnnoyBot: May 28, 2001

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the school gave us a "meal" for promising not to tell the students a bunch of students have covid, shockingly I told the students, im in a lot of trouble lol

Wait so there's an outbreak at a school with in person instruction? Can you say what procedures were followed? Was there ventilation? HEPA? PPE? Full density or 25% density? Masks required?

Once teachers are vaccinated, I expect a big in person push. I have two kids in distance school and I'm not looking forward to getting infected 18 months into this bullshit because the district said "hey you can (must?) go back now, teachers are safe and we bought a bunch of (ineffective) ionizers!".

# ? Mar 19, 2021 01:07

HugeGrossBurrito: Mar 20, 2018

AnnoyBot posted:

Wait so there's an outbreak at a school with in person instruction? Can you say what procedures were followed? Was there ventilation? HEPA? PPE? Full density or 25% density? Masks required?

Once teachers are vaccinated, I expect a big in person push. I have two kids in distance school and I'm not looking forward to getting infected 18 months into this bullshit because the district said "hey you can (must?) go back now, teachers are safe and we bought a bunch of (ineffective) ionizers!".

Mask are �required� but not enforced the hvac system is from the 60s

# ? Mar 19, 2021 01:13

HugeGrossBurrito: Mar 20, 2018

We are required to go in the system our countyused to decide telework is now under investigation lol the people who decide this are of course teleworking for another year.

# ? Mar 19, 2021 01:13

John_A_Tallon: Nov 22, 2000; Oh my! Check out that mitre!

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the school gave us a "meal" for promising not to tell the students a bunch of students have covid, shockingly I told the students, im in a lot of trouble lol

That's a really bad food bribe
Whoever is in charge of keeping you quiet thinks you're easy to cow

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