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This is why so many youtubers started hiding how much paste they use.
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Mar 19, 2021 05:27
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njsykora posted:This is why so many youtubers started hiding how much paste they use. Paste application methods are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink
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Mar 19, 2021 05:32
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njsykora posted:This is why so many youtubers started hiding how much paste they use. 
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Mar 19, 2021 05:45
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Steve is trying to never get a sample of a GPU from anyone ever again and I respect it. https://youtu.be/AmOp3LLwHmM
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Mar 19, 2021 06:04
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it's my understanding that paste application is whatever if you're doing it on the heat spreader of a CPU, but that you actually have to spread the paste like butter on bread, covering the entire surface, if you're working with bare-die, such as a GPU, or a de-lidded CPU... ... or in Alan_Shore's case, a laptop, since the CPU and GPU dies are bare on a laptop
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Mar 19, 2021 06:16
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Since I like building as a hobby I take my time and paint a paper thin layer with the paste.
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Mar 19, 2021 06:41
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Cygni posted:Steve is trying to never get a sample of a GPU from anyone ever again and I respect it. https://youtu.be/AmOp3LLwHmM How are they doing so bad? Like what are the engineers designing these things even doing with their time? It's unbelievable to me that such a standardized design problem as a GPU cooler is STILL something major players are failing at on a regular basis.
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Mar 19, 2021 07:00
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It's designed to run within the specified parameters at a given cost. It's not designed to be better than it is.
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Mar 19, 2021 07:04
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As the man said, they know people are gonna buy it so why try?
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Mar 19, 2021 07:45
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EngineerJoe posted:It's designed to run within the specified parameters at a given cost. It's not designed to be better than it is. there even is an incentive for it to not be better than it needs to be, because you don't want to upstage partners and make them mad at you for eroding their profit margin on low-end variants even further and despite improvements in the "reference" coolers over the years (in quotes because I'm still counting FE cards here even though they are no longer reference) the market has pretty persistently rejected the idea that reference cards can ever be "premium". AMD and NVIDIA have never coaxed partners into significantly undercutting the reference card pricing even on poo poo-tier cost reduced cards, they just won't voluntarily cut their throat if there's not an actual reference card at that price point. the reference card essentially always defines the baseline cooling performance and partners will only go up from there. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 08:10
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Cygni posted:Steve is trying to never get a sample of a GPU from anyone ever again and I respect it. https://youtu.be/AmOp3LLwHmM Alternate title: "Team Red Phones It In, Yet Again: the Sequel"
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Mar 19, 2021 08:26
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Ape Has Killed Ape posted:As the man said, they know people are gonna buy it so why try? Ask Intel how that worked out as the years went on. Over the next 10 years we are all going to completely change out our existing hardware and companies typically try to keep the customer by showing they care about their products.
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Mar 19, 2021 08:27
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FYI: I signed up for the EVGA queue on Nov. 1 and was notified yesterday.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:51
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Cygni posted:Steve is trying to never get a sample of a GPU from anyone ever again and I respect it. https://youtu.be/AmOp3LLwHmM  The audible sighing after he takes the backplate off in the teardown video was great e: EngineerJoe posted:It's designed to run within the specified parameters at a given cost. It's not designed to be better than it is. One of my mentors once said "Engineering is the science of doing exactly enough work to achieve your objective." and there's a lot of loving wisdom in that statement.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:57
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gradenko_2000 posted:it's my understanding that paste application is whatever if you're doing it on the heat spreader of a CPU, but that you actually have to spread the paste like butter on bread, covering the entire surface, if you're working with bare-die, such as a GPU, or a de-lidded CPU... Oh man I don't know, I've watched so many YouTube videos but who knows what's happening when you've put it on and screwed it down. The game that I was getting 92c at before is now down to 75c so I'll take that as a win for now. I've also got a KLIM exhaust fan coming for the GPU, I have one on the CPU so thought I'd go hog wild This is the video I keep blabbing about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofyNgJyhGuc
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Mar 19, 2021 15:06
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Mar 19, 2021 15:23
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Wrar posted:FYI: I signed up for the EVGA queue on Nov. 1 and was notified yesterday. For what card?
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Mar 19, 2021 15:26
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Alan_Shore posted:Oh man I don't know, I've watched so many YouTube videos but who knows what's happening when you've put it on and screwed it down. The game that I was getting 92c at before is now down to 75c so I'll take that as a win for now. I've also got a KLIM exhaust fan coming for the GPU, I have one on the CPU so thought I'd go hog wild That video only covers CPUs with a heat spreader: the metal "cover" that has the CPU information on it is already transferring the heat from the die (which has a much smaller area) to itself - so the paste application method does not matter (as much) anyway it probably doesn't matter if you're already seeing an improvement from before, so don't sweat it
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Mar 19, 2021 15:33
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ty I was trying to find the gif but it didn’t turn up for whatever reason!
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Mar 19, 2021 15:53
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Triikan posted:What's the difference between a $400 Product X card and an $800 Product X card? I know MSRP is a pipe dream at the moment, but it seems crazy that the price delta on different 6700 XT cards is $400. Reference design locks the AIB to the $480 MSRP. By slapping their own "premium" cooler on there they can charge $200-$400 more. Since it's a sellers market right now, 75% of all chips AMD makes are going into those premium models. Not to say there's no technical differences: the reference has really underwhelming cooling and is loud when fully loaded, whereas a 3 fan sapphire is quieter and slightly more performant. For an extra $300 on an already inflated price.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:44
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What's the tl;dr on Intel's upcoming dedicated GPU release that's coming out next week? I'm pretty skeptical.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:31
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Wrar posted:FYI: I signed up for the EVGA queue on Nov. 1 and was notified yesterday. RVT posted:For what card? Wow not sure which card that is but it would seem that the notify queue is waaaaay ahead of the step up queue. My 3080 is currently on the truck for delivery today, and I signed up the day they released; last I checked, they were in day #2 for the step up queue.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:33
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:What's the tl;dr on Intel's upcoming dedicated GPU release that's coming out next week? I'm pretty skeptical. Its not going to blow the doors off anything but it should be a decent low end card.... except for the drivers which intel still struggles with.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:40
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:What's the tl;dr on Intel's upcoming dedicated GPU release that's coming out next week? I'm pretty skeptical. looks "great" for mobile iGPU especially if you render sub 1080p and really disappointing as a desktop GPU being included with intel SKUs.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:41
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unsticking a ghost post, apologies
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Mar 19, 2021 17:49
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:What's the tl;dr on Intel's upcoming dedicated GPU release that's coming out next week? I'm pretty skeptical. I highly highly doubt anything is actually "coming out" next week, so there is that. Just a guess based on the leaks we've seen so far, but they still seem to be in the neighborhood of months away. Normally the sign that a product launch is imminent is the flood of leaks on benchmarking sites as OEMs and SIs tune their products. All we have seen so far is token leaks with very early hardware.
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Mar 19, 2021 18:01
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Cygni posted:Steve is trying to never get a sample of a GPU from anyone ever again and I respect it. https://youtu.be/AmOp3LLwHmM "It would be really bad if Nintendo knew that AMD wore Team Rocket shirts on-stage in front of a bunch of media. That might be a problem"  Steve is the best.
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Mar 19, 2021 19:28
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Wow not sure which card that is but it would seem that the notify queue is waaaaay ahead of the step up queue. My 3080 is currently on the truck for delivery today, and I signed up the day they released; last I checked, they were in day #2 for the step up queue. They're not really putting much effort/stock into Step-Up right now, and I don't see why they would.
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Mar 19, 2021 19:32
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SourKraut posted:They're not really putting much effort/stock into Step-Up right now, and I don't see why they would. It's high overhead but the cards either get used themselves as warranty swaps or B stock which are selling for inflated prices. Interestingly if they just made a 'good faith' effort but didn't move the notify queue until 4/1 they'd get to charge everyone more, so good on them I guess?
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Mar 19, 2021 21:46
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I know there aren't really very many cards out, but I assume the RX6x00 lineup will be filled out with 1080p capable cards at some point, and I need something to put in my server that's capable of being passed through by bhyve. A fellow FreeBSD developer has pointed out that anything prior to RX6x00 will fail to work if the guest is shut down and the host isn't shut down in between starting up the guest again, which isn't optimal even if I don't plan to reboot the guest often. A nvidia GPU isn't really doable, since they do driver detection to prevent passed through GPUs (yes, I know, you can circumvent this in some hypervisors, but I'm not sure bhyve can do it, and I don't wanna buy a GPU on the assumption that it can, and find out that it can't). So, are there any indications that there'll be RX6x00 GPUs for 1080p gaming on the market, and what timeframe are we talking?
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Mar 19, 2021 21:54
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Never used BSD, but my understanding was that "VGA / GPU pass-through devices are not currently supported.". A 6600XT was rumored to land someday, but obviously it's not a priority right now if it means taking assembly time from something else.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:19
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Craptacular! posted:Never used BSD, but my understanding was that "VGA / GPU pass-through devices are not currently supported.". One of the users who first managed to do bhyve passthrough did a talk on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqveGsIcA0 That's with a nvidia GPU, so it won't attach in Windows because of the driver lock-in, but I believe AMD is exempt from that, hence why I'm looking at AMD GPUs. I should probably add that I'm a FreeBSD developer - with the focus on documentation, so ideally I'd have the hardware to test this, so that I can update the relevant documentation. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 22:28
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It's okay for now because the entire 6x00 line is mythical beasts spoken of in legend and not something people actually find in stores. Although word is the 6700XT mines worse than the 5700XT does, so it might not inflate as badly.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:40
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Can confirm the KLIM took my RDR2 temp down from 91c (gently caress that game seriously) to 85c
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Mar 19, 2021 22:46
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Craptacular! posted:It's okay for now because the entire 6x00 line is mythical beasts spoken of in legend and not something people actually find in stores. Although word is the 6700XT mines worse than the 5700XT does, so it might not inflate as badly. I was hoping for a blower design, but both reference cards and partner cards appear to all be using huge-rear end shrouds with massive fans that throw the hot air every which way around the case, which is its own problem for a server that's essentially designed like an positive pressure air tunnel.
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Mar 19, 2021 23:42
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Craptacular! posted:It's okay for now because the entire 6x00 line is mythical beasts spoken of in legend and not something people actually find in stores. Although word is the 6700XT mines worse than the 5700XT does, so it might not inflate as badly. I'm not real sure about that. A lot of people would gladly take almost anything at this point, and not everyone is looking to mine.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:14
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People looking to minecraft, on the other hand...
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Mar 20, 2021 00:22
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TOOT BOOT posted:I'm not real sure about that. A lot of people would gladly take almost anything at this point, and not everyone is looking to mine. Before Nvidia self-owned, the difference between 3060 and 3060ti on eBay was about $500 or something like that.
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Mar 20, 2021 01:24
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https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1372971457140170774?s=20 nvidia really half-assed the anti-crypto protections
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Mar 20, 2021 01:33
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3080 for $1600, seems legit, asking for in person pickup at a bank, so less likely to be a complete scam. Pull the trigger?
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