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so does batman do the mandalay bay shooting or what
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Mar 19, 2021 05:20
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Not in the Snyder cut, but in the Society cut (coming soon) he does the Bay of Pigs
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Mar 19, 2021 05:36
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ben affleck singing night train to mundo fine
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Mar 19, 2021 05:55
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https://twitter.com/marysuewriter/status/1372781084404936713 Holy gently caress lmao
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Mar 19, 2021 06:50
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what the gently caress is a “proshipper” and why are they so angry
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Mar 19, 2021 07:05
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Augus posted:what the gently caress is a “proshipper” and why are they so angry https://twitter.com/marysuewriter/status/1372785486930927628 (thread) 'anti' discourse is one of the most brain-rotting fandom things on the internet and nothing good can come from interacting with people who strongly identify with either end of the debate lmao
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Mar 19, 2021 07:10
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Even when it's for a good cause, I really do not like the 'hey X celebrity, say this to make me feel better' routine. Oh and EVS and the other comicgate pals have announced that they're doing an 'expose' on how Snyder's daughter dying was because of his nihilism. Showing you, once again, that these people never really gave a poo poo about anything but having a cudgel they could beat the other side with. DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 07:12
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https://twitter.com/FSEngine/status/1372790330810978307
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Mar 19, 2021 07:22
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DrVenkman posted:Even when it's for a good cause, I really do not like the 'hey X celebrity, say this to make me feel better' routine. I'll give it two weeks before they make fun of his kid dying.
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Mar 19, 2021 07:22
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DesertIslandHermit posted:I'll give it two weeks before they make fun of his kid dying. They're not far off. https://twitter.com/AGramuglia/status/1372565165753958406?s=19
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Mar 19, 2021 07:25
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DrVenkman posted:They're not far off. I've always wished the likes of EVS and these lovely outrage culture warrior Youtubers a slow and agonizing career death. Now I wish it to be faster.
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Mar 19, 2021 07:32
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I can already feel twitter account #2 slipping away from me in the wake of inevitably telling one of these comics chuds to fall down some stairs. Really though twitter is just awful, not a revelation but it's like, both #1 and #2 now I've both started just to follow good artists and a couple cool content people, then inevitably some miserable thing happens and someone I follow remarks on it, I'll try to bite my lip and just go past it, I'll block a thousand horrible people over threads to try and sanitize any part of my continued use of the site, but there's always ten thousand more and eventually you just have to tell an open neo-nazi to go drown and welp, that guy wants an ethno-state and despite reporting his openly violent rhetoric and calls to reopen the gas chambers, my account's the one that gets banned for ~hateful language~ or whatever lol What I'm saying is send Jack Twitterman to the Hague. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 08:24
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Yardbomb posted:I can already feel twitter account #2 slipping away from me in the wake of inevitably telling one of these comics chuds to fall down some stairs. And then right-wingers will piss and moan saying they're the ones being """"censored"""" Yardbomb posted:What I'm saying is send Jack Twitterman to the Hague. 
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Mar 19, 2021 08:40
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Jamie Faith posted:https://twitter.com/marysuewriter/status/1372781084404936713  man this "pro" vs "anti" stuff is just, total bonkers hyper extreme BS!!
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Mar 19, 2021 09:07
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Augus posted:what the gently caress is a “proshipper” and why are they so angry Fa and Antifas just replace the fa with pedophilia
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Mar 19, 2021 09:11
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DesertIslandHermit posted:I've always wished the likes of EVS and these lovely outrage culture warrior Youtubers a slow and agonizing career death. Speaking of one Sciver comma Van Ethan... https://twitter.com/rewritingripley/status/1372626199969554434
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Mar 19, 2021 09:30
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I could be completely wrong on this but I remember "Anti" originally describing the kind of people who will rain hell down on, like, teenage Reylo shippers, and pro-shipper came out as a counter to that, except then it widened to include incest/pedo ships and now anti has a veneer of correctness to it even though it originally started as a term for lovely people. I don't think these terms were ever really set in stone, so again, I might be very off there, but I really feel like antis are not a good thing, even if proshippers are worse.
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Mar 19, 2021 09:33
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the thing is that a lot of lovely people have successfully blurred what 'antis/antishippers/antiantis/proshippers' actually means you get people who think they're pushing against people who hate seeing gay relationships when they say they're in favor of shipping/against people who dislike 'problematic ships,' and they might not have dove into the Discourse to think about it any more than that which is a big problem, since there's a group of pedophiles at the core who are trying to put 'adults loving children' into the definition of 'problematic ships' as if it is exactly as bad as shipping two characters who yell at each other sometimes. a lot of the people whipping up anger at 'antis' are people like that, and I'd definitely look more into people upset about 'antis' to see if they really know what they're talking about. to put it a different way: there were almost definitely people who bought into the idea that people were actually getting mad at a lack of ethics in game journalism, but those people really needed to educate themselves a bit more about what was going on before saying anything
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Mar 19, 2021 09:39
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Pigbuster posted:I could be completely wrong on this but I remember "Anti" originally describing the kind of people who will rain hell down on, like, teenage Reylo shippers, and pro-shipper came out as a counter to that, except then it widened to include incest/pedo ships and now anti has a veneer of correctness to it even though it originally started as a term for lovely people. I don't think these terms were ever really set in stone, so again, I might be very off there, but I really feel like antis are not a good thing, even if proshippers are worse. afaik "anti" and "proshippers" both mean completely different things depending on who u ask (like for example "pro" could be anything from "awww yea brother loving" to "dang these enemies make a good pair" and vice versa for "antis")??  tho imo (and i think sarah z does too) is that they're wayyy too vague as terms because they can mean basically anything and are just clumped all together (but i think anyone who gets really intensely involved in this kind of discourse is a too online weirdo  )
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Mar 19, 2021 09:41
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it's one of those things where even if these terms once had like, a single solitary meaning they've evolved into everything from "teenagers enjoying problematic but ultimately fine ships" to "lol pedos" on one side and "blegh your ship is bad and you should kill yourself" to "hey maybe we shouldn't ship this 12 year old girl with a literal 30 year old that's weird" and everything in between. You post about "hey don't yuck on someone's yum for liking reylo" and you can be accused of supporting pedophiles, or anti-pedos can be accused of literally cyberbullying poor teenage reylo fans into suicide and it's just so bleghhhj
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Mar 19, 2021 09:41
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yeah, to put it much more briefly, the problem is definitely that 'let people enjoy things' on its own can mean 'let these teens write about their own age group in ways teens write about things' as much as it can mean 'let this adult be a pedophile in spaces where children that young also exist' being for/against the concept of people enjoying things is meaningless without context of who the people are and what they are enjoying
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Mar 19, 2021 09:47
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also to be clear Bryan Fuller is a gay dude referencing a pair of star trek characters from deep space 9 who were entirely intended to have a relationship on screen before it got shut down by the notoriously homophobic showrunner and now fuller is making star trek as queer as it should have been this entire time that tweet he made is definitely 'someone who didn't actually know what he was wading into past exactly what it read on the surface' to me
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Mar 19, 2021 09:54
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Augus posted:what the gently caress is a “proshipper” and why are they so angry In practice? Pedos and incest fetishists. StratGoatCom fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 10:26
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StratGoatCom posted:In practice? Pesos and incest fetishists. What's wrong with enjoying our southern neighbors currency.
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Mar 19, 2021 10:33
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It doesnt mean that at all lol. People have been sent so many death threats they attempted suicide for like, writing 17 year old x 18 year old fanfic, lol,
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Mar 19, 2021 10:34
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The reality of it is both terms just mean the worst version of the 'other side' they can imagine, and also its all pointless online bullshit because its not like weird fanfic is going anywhere. Literally the only opinion you should have is 'you probably shouldnt write fanfic where jimmy neutron anal vores his dad, OR send the jimmy neutron anal vore guy death threats because its not like that solves the problem' and if your opinion on it goes beyond that you desperately need to log off.
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Mar 19, 2021 10:36
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https://twitter.com/marysuewriter/status/1372843711567044609 lol TheFlyingLlama posted:it's one of those things where even if these terms once had like, a single solitary meaning they've evolved into everything from "teenagers enjoying problematic but ultimately fine ships" to "lol pedos" on one side and "blegh your ship is bad and you should kill yourself" to "hey maybe we shouldn't ship this 12 year old girl with a literal 30 year old that's weird" and everything in between. also yeah this pretty much
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Mar 19, 2021 10:36
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Endorph posted:It doesnt mean that at all lol. Endorph posted:The reality of it is both terms just mean the worst version of the 'other side' they can imagine, and also its all pointless online bullshit because its not like weird fanfic is going anywhere. Literally the only opinion you should have is 'you probably shouldnt write fanfic where jimmy neutron anal vores his dad, OR send the jimmy neutron anal vore guy death threats because its not like that solves the problem' and if your opinion on it goes beyond that you desperately need to log off. I know they're a week old but this whole time I thought people were talking about a specific group of people on twitter because I found these in another thread. Is this conversation not about the same people? Bismuth posted:twitter pedos trying to reinvent oldschool homophobia to own the non-pedos
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Mar 19, 2021 10:44
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Like theres definitely a real bullying element to all this, like that genshin impact game has a pair of sworn brothers people like to draw making out cause 'sworn brothers' can be very winkwink in chinese culture but westerners see 'brothers' and think incest, so theres an obvious clash there, and teens dont know how to behave. I bring it up cause the official twitter for the game retweeted ship art of them and... instead of getting mad at the devs people started trying to harass the artist, lol. But at the same time dragging people who arent online enough to know what the gently caress any of this is is just weird and awkward, and is basically just intentionally stirring up the hornets nest. Like fuller did not sign up to get yelled at about which my hero academia ships are problematic. RareAcumen posted:I know they're a week old but this whole time I thought people were talking about a specific group of people on twitter because I found these in another thread. Is this conversation not about the same people? Some of those people are in the right, some arent, some are taking it way too seriously even if they have a point, some take it extremely seriously and are extremely wrong, and that goes for both sides. That guy framing it as 'proship = pedo' is basically the same thing as the fuller thing, trying to drag people who dont know anything into their dumb internet culture war. Endorph fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 10:50
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The word 'antis' and all the other associated jargon has been rendered useless as terminology, because every hyper-fragmented ultra-specific fandom sub-sub-sub-culture defines it differently. Sometimes those differences are small, sometimes they're major, sometimes they create mutually exclusive definitions, sometimes they mean things that have zero relation to any other use of the word outside of one single discord server. So when this spills onto twitter or whatever, an outsider will come at it thinking 'fandom culture' is one monolithic thing, apply the definition they have, and find it impossible to decipher what the gently caress is actually going on. This isn't helped by two far more coherent internet subcultures - Kpop fandom and virtual youtuber fandom - both also using the word 'antis' to mean something completely different altogether! The terminology is useless. The only way you're going to get any useful information is by asking a person what they specifically mean when they use a word.
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Mar 19, 2021 10:59
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Farm Frenzy posted:this is such a bizzare cultural event that im tempted to get really high and watch it even though i know i probably wont make it halfway through. its the snakes on a plane of the 2020s
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Mar 19, 2021 11:40
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DesertIslandHermit posted:I like when the fighting is more amateur than professional as a personal taste. Roger Ebert talked about how he liked the pool hall fight scene in Mean Streets because it felt real instead of staged. People are dumb and clumsy when it comes to beating people up. Clumsy looking fight scenes are proper rare, probably because they're hard to choreograph convincingly, but its always great when they pull it off; the corridor scene in Old Boy really stands out because despite the silliness of the premise it still feels convincing that one dude could win against 30 mooks because of the messiness of it all.
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Mar 19, 2021 11:47
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I've always hated this kind of talk ever since it blew up with someone who was found to go be actually trying to get it on underage artists, managed to drag the blame of that into "people are harassing me bc I drew a Steven Universe character in a slightly different way", and way too much people didn't bother to even go to this person's tumblr page and scroll a few pages where she was replying to THOSE accusations, and when I was trying to show people that, got accused of being a vassal to those internet harassment sites despite being right there on the open. Years of this poo poo building up to some of those dumbasses writing the vocabulary on how people speak and continuously pinning the blame on anyone on tumblr/curiouscat anons, imageboards and "fandom haters" over anything, no matter how dire, giving ideas to some of the most ghoulish of PR. I've seen some of the worst kinds of behaviors be constantly sidetracked with poo poo like that over and over again and I wish, I just wish, for One Goddamn Second, that these loving imbeciles would actually go "No, you weren't screamed at because you were mushing the wrong Barbie Dolls together, it was bc you DM slid underaged artists for poon and they leaked the DMs" for once. Maybe we wouldn't have Andrew Cuomo addressing nursing home death coverups with "Lol Cancel Culture" had that thing been nipped in the bud.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:22
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my experience with this drama is i had a friend who's mildly internet popular, who had old fanfic up on a site and got yelled at for it (they wrote it when they were 17, it was just generic romance fanfic between two teenagers, no sex) and then it turned out the person yelling at them and trying to stir up drama was a hardcore fetishist who did nothing but commission art of anime girls in diapers.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:27
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Kunster posted:
Naaah that was always going to happen, the biggest possible change would be the use of particular wording. Framing bad personal conduct as trivial matters (because a portion of your base wrongly consider the behavior trivial), then framing all criticism as specifically criticism of that bad conduct, is the go to move for politicians who suck so much rear end they have multiple personal scandals at once. See also "lockerroom talk" managing to overcome "alleged serial sexual assault" as the public narrative even among the everything else that fucker did.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:33
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My personal point of view about this stuff is "don't harass teens for writing problematic horny stuff, also don't host that poo poo and actively take it down because it's gonna attract lovely people". One side has trouble with the former, the other has trouble with the latter.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:41
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Endorph posted:my experience with this drama is i had a friend who's mildly internet popular, who had old fanfic up on a site and got yelled at for it (they wrote it when they were 17, it was just generic romance fanfic between two teenagers, no sex) and then it turned out the person yelling at them and trying to stir up drama was a hardcore fetishist who did nothing but commission art of anime girls in diapers. I feel like this post could be used to summarize most of the internet to be honest.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:46
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Used to be that this stuff happened on separate websites with their own rules, so if a creepy-rear end adult turned up in your space for teens, they could be banned. Now everyone involved is on twitter with, in theory, one set of universal rules.
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Mar 19, 2021 12:48
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josh04 posted:Used to be that this stuff happened on separate websites with their own rules, so if a creepy-rear end adult turned up in your space for teens, they could be banned. Now everyone involved is on twitter with, in theory, one set of universal rules. yeah, and that's a lot of it. plus the issue of stuff that isnt morally objectionable but there's no where to put it where you can like, convalesce with people who signed up for it. making art where you explore heavier stuff to deal with your own baggage is pretty normal, but twitter is just a giant pile where some stranger you dont know sees 'this story has sexual assault in it.' no context for how its handled or why is there, just that it exists. not even talking about fanfic here cause ive seen actual published authors or like, people making comics get yelled at for that too. making that stuff is normal, not wanting to see that stuff is normal, these two people are put in the same site where theyll stumble across each other randomly with no prior warning. its inevitably gonna lead to conflict even in a perfect world where no bad actors exist. Endorph fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 12:55
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Separate websites with their own rules can still be fooled. I'unno, there's some poo poo that is pretty dangerous to keep online, queer teenage expression be damned. The whole anti- thing has some interesting figures in it.
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Mar 19, 2021 13:56
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