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shrike82 posted:there's so much money flowing into everything these days, i'm not sure whether it's worth your while trying to decipher the rules of a given financialized abstraction there's so much money flowing into crypto from libertarian cryptodweebs that understanding their ideology is worthwhile if you want to understand why some cryptocurrencies are considered valuable by those people, imo
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Finicums Wake posted:there's so much money flowing into crypto from libertarian cryptodweebs that understanding their ideology is worthwhile if you want to understand why some cryptocurrencies are considered valuable by those people, imo I feel like I need to crack open "The Conspiracy of Art" to remind myself exactly what kind of laundering you can get up to with this poo poo
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Mar 19, 2021 07:33
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xtal posted:I only just learned about NFT, what's NPR? 
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adam knew it wasnt his headphones and self deluded himself into thinking they were hisFinicums Wake posted:there's so much money flowing into crypto from libertarian cryptodweebs that understanding their ideology is worthwhile if you want to understand why some cryptocurrencies are considered valuable by those people, imo liz seemed on the right track when she likened it to trying to manifest a consensus like of private property but with dumb(er) bs edit: youtube autoplay lead me to chris delia podcast and it is very bad "im going to put 8 masks. thats what im going to do 4 over my mouth 4 over my eyes" Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 10:41 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Finicums Wake posted:tl;dr: this poo poo doesn't work, yes, but is way more insane than they're letting on. every 16 months i immerse myself in the blockchain and emerge with transcendent understanding, then instantly forget it for the next 16 months. what you're saying sounds about right and it's something i've been wrestling with (probably literally since 2015 lmao) that i've only recently been able to start to define: the failure of formalisms and systems to solve our problems. seems insane to go from watching a livestream of alpha go destroy lee sedol to arguing about the intrinsic failures of every underlying system that we live in with my friends but that's where i'm at. Honest Thief posted:adam knew it wasnt his headphones and self deluded himself into thinking they were his incredible how his self delusions are always advantageous for him
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Mar 19, 2021 11:03
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i liked brace’s point about ak-47s will win everytime. someone can just come shoot at your mining rig and blow up your servers, nerd. enforce the contract on my rear end
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Mar 19, 2021 14:14
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wish they’d talked more in depth about the ecological impact of it. that’s a rallying point in and of itself
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Mar 19, 2021 14:30
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why do they call it crypto when all transactions are publicly logged?* seems like the opposite of a secret transaction. you know what they should call crypto? cold, hard, physical cash. no one knows where a bill has been. the government isn't notified when you pass a 5 dollar bill to someone. *please don't answer this
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Mar 19, 2021 14:43
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The weakest part of that episode was Liz likening the power consumption of the blockchain to power consumption of data centers. Like yeah if you want to have a discussion if streaming etc. Is worth the environmental costs thats fine but at least there is a function behind the consumption. Blockchain mining is entirely pointless, there is no reason why the resource demand has to be as high as it is.
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Atrocious Joe posted:you know what they should call crypto? cold, hard, physical cash. no one knows where a bill has been. the government isn't notified when you pass a 5 dollar bill to someone. unrelated but american cash looks like fake monopoly money
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Honest Thief posted:unrelated but american cash looks like fake monopoly money But monopoly money is many colored, like the Euro, unlike American cash, the greenback, the Joachimsthaler of the USA, which is just green baby, New York City, fuckin a, greatest biggest hottest sweatiest place on earth babyyy Atrocious Joe posted:why do they call it crypto when all transactions are publicly logged?* seems like the opposite of a secret transaction. A common misconception, the "crypto" is actually short for "cryptonazi"
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Mar 19, 2021 15:56
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Junkozeyne posted:Like yeah if you want to have a discussion if streaming etc. Is worth the environmental costs thats fine but at least there is a function behind the consumption. the “function” of streaming tv in HD on a subscription service is you own nothing and pay for the privilege and the point is you won’t hear about it because the company doing it controls the medium of communication that is causing the damage in a kind of vertical integration
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shirts and skins posted:But monopoly money is many colored, like the Euro, unlike American cash, the greenback, the Joachimsthaler of the USA, which is just green baby, New York City, fuckin a, greatest biggest hottest sweatiest place on earth babyyy really big bills and big rear end numbers so you can tell them apart unlike smart, technocract EU money where it's worth is colour coded
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:the “function” of streaming tv in HD on a subscription service is you own nothing and pay for the privilege No that is the business model, what I mean is that if you want streaming you have to have these datacenters. There is no other solution to it. You could however find a way to add blocks to the blockchain without it requiring that much energy so the comparison doesn't really make sense. Like sure burning coal for energy generation is pretty bad but it would be even worse to just burn the coal in a large pile.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:32
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:wish they’d talked more in depth about the ecological impact of it. that’s a rallying point in and of itself The crypto defenders have an argument that things like proof of stake get rid of this problem. While the ecological impact is another reason it's a horrible thing, it's probably not even the biggest reason why it should be eradicated. Liz is also kinda right, people love using the blockchain as a uniquely awful environmental impactor while glossing over just how much energy the internet is consuming as a whole. was tickled by brace learning they had a term called a nonce though. miners and nonces 👁
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Mar 19, 2021 16:33
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yes it is, if it weren’t for the insane energy consumption it would just be some nerd toy
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Mar 19, 2021 16:45
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you cant even use an argument of human expression with nfts that you can with internet, it's worthless metadata that you cant even rely on the company who provided it to you not loving with it
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Mar 19, 2021 16:55
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xtal posted:I only just learned about NFT, what's NPR? not much, what's NPR with you?
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crepeface posted:every 16 months i immerse myself in the blockchain and emerge with So for one thing, I think it's hard to describe where we're at with machine learning systems as "formal", the best way to study them seems to be more like a natural science. We put them in an experimental setting, they do things, we observe patterns and form theories, etc. Maybe they'd be relevant to this issue if we were putting them in charge of human lives (and I guess in some cases they kind of are...) but otherwise they seem a little different. Also, Go is kind of a formal system in itself that human players subject themselves to, for fun. It might be possible that machine learning stuff develops an incredibly complex but fully formalized system of play that is the absolute peak of winning strategy, that's something humans probably can't/wouldn't do. But I don't think a machine would be able to come up with a satisfying answer for whether or not it would be interesting to change the rules, like maybe adding a third color of stones.
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I only used machine learning as an example? either way, I don't understand bringing up machine learning being incapable of making a judgement on a third stone colour. that's kind of my point? systems are insufficient for generating solutions to our problems.
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IIRC video streaming accounts for something like 4% of global energy usage every year What I'm saying is listen to your podcasts on a streaming service not youtube
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MikeCrotch posted:IIRC video streaming accounts for something like 4% of global energy usage every year there was a flawed study that got a lot of headlines, but its actually much lower: https://www.iea.org/commentaries/the-carbon-footprint-of-streaming-video-fact-checking-the-headlines quote:Another recent claim on Channel 4 Dispatches estimated that 7bn YouTube views of a 2017 hit song – “Despacito”, by Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee, featuring Justin Beiber – had consumed 900 gigawatt hours (GWh) of electricity, or 1.66 kWh per viewing hour. At this rate, YouTube – with over 1 billion viewing hours a day – would consume over 600 TWh a year (2.5% of global electricity use), which would be more than the electricity used globally by all data centres (~200 TWh) and data transmission networks (~250 TWh). All data centers + data transmission is ~450 TWh, or about 1.8% of global electricity. For comparison, bitcoin alone uses 131 TWh, or about ~0.5% of global electricity. Bitcoin consumes as much electricity as the entire nation of Sweden. https://cbeci.org/cbeci/comparisons
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Didn't love the paid Chapo this week. It had some funny parts, but I guess I'm just a little tired of people bitching about Marvel poo poo. It's not that their points aren't mostly correct or anything, I just don't find it interesting anymore. I'm probably just listening to too many podcasts where the hosts want to get their 2 cents in on it or whatever, but still, meh.
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I did like their example of a smart contract being tied to a lock - so that if you didn't pay your rent, then you couldn't get in the flat you rented. Yay - no government needed to enforce contracts and all that bs. Immediate thing that popped into my head is - they'll just force the lock, or get in some other way.
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Choosing TV Party for the outro, right after And Introducing did a Black Flag episode, was very lazy on Chris' part.
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part of being a good friend to your friends is just listening, even if they're like broken records sometimes, but you deal with it because you love them anyway.
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fatelvis posted:I did like their example of a smart contract being tied to a lock - so that if you didn't pay your rent, then you couldn't get in the flat you rented. Yay - no government needed to enforce contracts and all that bs. Thats where the killbots come in
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mawarannahr posted:part of being a good friend to your friends is just listening, even if they're like broken records sometimes, but you deal with it because you love them anyway. Awww that's sweet, I've changed my opinion on the episode now, thanks.
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fatelvis posted:I did like their example of a smart contract being tied to a lock - so that if you didn't pay your rent, then you couldn't get in the flat you rented. Yay - no government needed to enforce contracts and all that bs. This literally happened to Trashfuture - they rented a studio with WiFi enabled locks, turns out the useless landlord had bounced on the rent so the owners told them they had like 3 days to pack up before the doors automatically locked.
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MikeCrotch posted:This literally happened to Trashfuture - they rented a studio with WiFi enabled locks, turns out the useless landlord had bounced on the rent so the owners told them they had like 3 days to pack up before the doors automatically locked. Yeah that was one of the more on-the-nose things I can remember happening
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Majorian posted:Didn't love the paid Chapo this week. It had some funny parts, but I guess I'm just a little tired of people bitching about Marvel poo poo. It's not that their points aren't mostly correct or anything, I just don't find it interesting anymore. I'm probably just listening to too many podcasts where the hosts want to get their 2 cents in on it or whatever, but still, meh. i thought matt was pretty good on it, even if it's all stuff he's said before, just better put together this time. that said, i really don't give a gently caress about the snyder cut and would rather they just watched another crazy christian movie where jesus teams up with lincoln to free the slaves and conquer mecca or something. (i'll keep drinking that garbage and listen to their snyder cut episode anyway)
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nick mullens prediction that all these socialism podcasts are going to have to rapidly shift to some other bullshit now to keep the money faucet going seems pretty apt now with how will menaker has laid the groundwork for chapo to become a fully tv and movie review show
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The movie review episodes good when they serve as a springboard for broader stuff. The episodes on The Duellists, JFK, and Red Scorpion are all great. But if they're talking about like Joker or Avatar then eh
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Mar 19, 2021 21:40
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That Chris Hedges Bad Faith interview is pretty good. I'm really enjoying Brie's slow-motion crack-ping that seems to be the overall arc of the show.
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Nothus posted:That Chris Hedges Bad Faith interview is pretty good. I'm really enjoying Brie's slow-motion crack-ping that seems to be the overall arc of the show. yeah her trying to wrangle thr frustration of having to mount a physical retaliation when chris was basically saying to take over the capitol was relatable
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Mar 19, 2021 22:01
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chapo started as a movie review so it's always funny to see people say they're pivoting to it
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This week's cumtown was extremely good
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Nothus posted:I'm really enjoying Brie's slow-motion crack-ping that seems to be the overall arc of the show. How so?
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Joementum posted:i thought matt was pretty good on it, even if it's all stuff he's said before, just better put together this time. that said, i really don't give a gently caress about the snyder cut and would rather they just watched another crazy christian movie where jesus teams up with lincoln to free the slaves and conquer mecca or something. I'm actually more hyped for the Snyder cut discussion, because at least there's a real cult following there, and that's always entertaining. Admittedly, I did enjoy WandaVision, although I went into it expecting it to be good dumb fun, and hey, that's what I got. That last take that they read about the show was pretty spectacular, though, I'll admit.
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