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Hedenius posted:Since y'all got me curious I looked up a paper on how swedes view china. It's from the Swedish Institute of International Affairs (published in november last year). Swedes have a very negative view of china compared to most european countries. And it has gotten moreso in the last few years. You can find the report here: https://www.ui.se/globalassets/ui.se-eng/publications/ui-publications/2020/ui-paper-no.-8-2020.pdf comedyblissoption posted:1) a lot of westerners have their identities tied up in western europe and american liberal hegemonic dominance over the rest of the world, and they are growing increasingly insane that china is ascending Got posted a few pages ago, also has some data on Europe. Including some data over time, it wasn't the highest all the time but it really jumped up in '19 
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Mar 20, 2021 01:18
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Bro Dad posted:chen guangbiao already exists Me, a western Trumper: Pure Trump is an end state and has never existed in human history furthermore,
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Mar 20, 2021 01:59
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stephenthinkpad posted:Well I am talking in the last few years. Sweden is the Australia of Europe. a remote, desolate wasteland run by insane racist ghouls who come up with increasingly insane schemes to get rid of refugees while forcefully privatizing vital infrastructure and doing their best to diplomatically fellate the US? yeah, checks out Atrocious Joe posted:is there a swedish military thinktank that employs a bunch of poo poo posters pushing anti-China BS. would explain a lot of recent newspaper columns, tbh
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Mar 20, 2021 08:23
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shrike82 posted:the guy’s some rando journo that no one gives a poo poo about except online leftist Twitter glad he's decided to waste his time shitposting here
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Mar 20, 2021 09:53
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they did a poo poo job of that then
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Mar 20, 2021 12:31
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1373282035633119233 according to this thread the state department bans ethnic korean americans from working on korean adjacent diplomacy all of a sudden the chronic stupidity of this countrys korea policy makes a lot more sense
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Mar 20, 2021 17:12
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shrike are you a cop or do you have some cop adjacent job. really curious on your consistently awful angles, genuinely wonder where it actually comes from. not from concern, i think
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Mar 20, 2021 17:15
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Moderate rebels recently did an interview with some guy who lives in China and writes/blogs about the country. They talk about new cold war propaganda, it's a good listen. https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/china-new-cold-war-daniel-dumbrill
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Mar 20, 2021 17:16
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It'd interesting to hear if the situation wrt school education is similiar between Xinjiang and Tibet. He mentions that everyone, Han included, has to learn tibetan in school for example.
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Mar 20, 2021 18:08
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Junkozeyne posted:It'd interesting to hear if the situation wrt school education is similiar between Xinjiang and Tibet. He mentions that everyone, Han included, has to learn tibetan in school for example. it's also interesting that only white westerners (not necessarily even living in china) can be treated above suspicion, i.e. they are de facto only authority on what china is like in western media. No one ever invites a chinese citizen who lives in the region in question to tell what it's really like... either because their experiences might be corrupted by nationalism or they are potential liars I guess? Of course if you ask chinese living in LA who come from Xinjiang or Tibet you're going to get the equivalent of that Ukrainian reddit poster - there's a big selection bias there as well
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Mar 20, 2021 18:37
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white westerners are the same people who can on one hand talk about tibet, xinjiang, and the chinese countryside being repressed, cantonese speakers having to learn mandarin, and then in the next sentence say chinese have a monoculture problem but I guess that's shrike82 thinking with his own racist ideology, that chinese means you look like jackie chan and that's it.
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Mar 20, 2021 18:41
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shrike82 posted:and it’s only a couple years since pundits were claiming that China had successfully peeled the EU from the US using soft power and trade
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Mar 20, 2021 18:58
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This might seem like kind of a remedial question for this thread but I've only recently begun seriously educating myself on China so I'm still a dummy I'm looking for a clear answer on whether or not China has what we would call in the west universal healthcare. I have heard everything from "yes, it's a guaranteed right" to "no, it's worse than the west's" to "kinda, they have it but it barely covers anything and needs supplemented with private insurance to be worth a drat". Which is closer to the truth?
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Mar 20, 2021 19:11
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Antonymous posted:No one ever invites a chinese citizen who lives in the region in question to tell what it's really like... either because their experiences might be corrupted by nationalism or they are potential liars I guess? it’s very convenient, isn’t it? if a citizen of a non-western nation disagrees with you, you don’t ever have to listen to them because they’re obviously either paid propagandists for the ~regime~, or they’re too fearful of government oppression to say what they really mean.
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Mar 20, 2021 19:50
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Deified Data posted:This might seem like kind of a remedial question for this thread but I've only recently begun seriously educating myself on China so I'm still a dummy by "the west", do you mean european healthcare, or american? kinda different standards is all
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Mar 20, 2021 19:51
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Kurnugia posted:by "the west", do you mean european healthcare, or american? kinda different standards is all I understand the American system better, so let's go with that
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Mar 20, 2021 19:58
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Deified Data posted:
lol no a checkup and a script for cough medicine is easy and affordable but anything more than that often requires going to your nearest tier 1 city's overburdened hospital system and hope you have enough money (because there's no law saying you have to treat emergencies regardless of payment) otoh I've never seen anyone get charged 30k for a delivery so I'd say it's about as bad as america
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Mar 20, 2021 19:59
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basically the government subsidizes the majority of your insurance, and prices are overall lower, but the infrastructure is worse and there's conditions based on where you have residency
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Mar 20, 2021 20:19
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IME there is a lot of waiting on line and run around, but for minor sickness is a lot cheaper, including dental.
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Mar 20, 2021 20:23
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How drastic are the differences between regions? Like the same "basic" care is guaranteed for all regardless of where you live, right? To explain my question somewhat I was watching a badempanada video and he said China doesn't have socialized healthcare, which sounded off so I doubled-checked and little did I know it was a question with a pretty complicated answer lol. From what I gather the answer is "yes, but not for everything", so he was probably splitting hairs
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Mar 20, 2021 20:30
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Deified Data posted:How drastic are the differences between regions? Like the same "basic" care is guaranteed for all regardless of where you live, right? garunteed if you pay up front and then wait in line, which might be low, like $2 to see a doctor about a cold, or maybe $10-$20 to see a specialist like a dermatologist. but if you can't pay you don't get seen. The crowdfunding sites in china are also full of people trying to afford surgery for their kid if that clues you in
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Mar 20, 2021 20:38
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Deified Data posted:How drastic are the differences between regions? Like the same "basic" care is guaranteed for all regardless of where you live, right? you can visit a gp and get a prescription anywhere for about the price of lunch but major procedures can be heinously expensive and good luck finding a decent surgeon in qinghai or gansu really the main problem is that there are way too few specialists to meet demand, and a lot of them end up in private healthcare charging 200 dollar checkups to rich expats and chinese capitalists because they went to nyu
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Mar 20, 2021 20:39
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Also visits are fast, like in the USA you might pay $200 to see the doctor for 15mins, but in china/taiwan it's $5 to see them for 5 minutes. so I guess misdiagnosis is more common
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Mar 20, 2021 20:42
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Antonymous posted:Also visits are fast, like in the USA you might pay $200 to see the doctor for 15mins, but in china/taiwan it's $5 to see them for 5 minutes. so I guess misdiagnosis is more common uhh excuse me my special westerner body needs these nine codeine pills a day to treat my bronchitis please don't take this from me 
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Mar 20, 2021 20:44
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1373282035633119233 that is a dumb rear end policy
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Mar 20, 2021 20:48
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so I happened to see an article today about poverty eradication in China that reminded me of the recent discussion in this thread about anti-China narratives in Europe. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zgx7vO/dyr-fattigdomsbekampning-ger-resultat-i-kina for those of you not fluent in weird nordic moon languages, the tl;dr is that according to a particular "china expert", China hasn't really eradicated extreme poverty, because if you ignore the international poverty threshold and use a completely different one, it turns out China still has millions of poor people! so who's the expert? let's find out!   "Institute for Security and Development Policy", huh?  oh. cool.
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Mar 20, 2021 20:55
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Agrajag posted:that is a dumb rear end policy America aggressively makes sure no one who could possibly have an intelligent idea ever comes near it's foreign policy organs. During the Afghan and Iraq wars (actual) experts on those countries kept waiting to get calls from State for advice or something, or to hear about their colleagues getting the same, and it just never happened.
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Mar 20, 2021 21:13
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digging deep into china watcher substack... i think this tells me you'll learn more about global politics from cardi b livestreams than in the mainstream media 
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Mar 20, 2021 21:52
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the guy who wrote that is a fellow for the "center for a new american security" and the host of the "chinatalk" podcast. just top-caliber expertise here
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Mar 20, 2021 21:55
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chairman cardi
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Mar 20, 2021 21:57
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The last words a landlord hears is OKURRR
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Mar 20, 2021 21:58
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Comrade Koba posted:so I happened to see an article today about poverty eradication in China that reminded me of the recent discussion in this thread about anti-China narratives in Europe. This is funny because it's kind of the same point that Jason Hickel makes in his book The Divide, but from the other direction. He argues that the UN definition of poverty is not sufficient, and doesn't even cover proper nutrition. He also makes the point that when people claim capitalism is lifting people out of poverty, they always include China in that. If you take China's numbers out of it, global poverty statistics look a lot worse, and are increasing per capita. The irony here is someone is taking his argument and disingenuously using it against China - one of the only countries actually making a dent in per capita poverty - while probably still believing that capitalism is the best system to lift people out of poverty, lol.
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Mar 20, 2021 22:10
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The last words a landlord hears is OKURRR WAP: workers and peasants
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Mar 20, 2021 22:21
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Shouldn't the proverty line of a country tie into her own purchase power number?
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Mar 20, 2021 22:33
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the WAP army I prefer the "Well Armed Proletariat" take myself
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Mar 20, 2021 22:36
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:digging deep into china watcher substack... i think this tells me you'll learn more about global politics from cardi b livestreams than in the mainstream media Can you link the full piece, this is wild.
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Mar 20, 2021 22:53
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stephenthinkpad posted:Shouldn't the proverty line of a country tie into her own purchase power number? It's been a while since I read the book, but I think Hickel makes this point as well. Going by UN definitions though, the poverty line in most global south countries is still not sufficient to have a diet that doesn't result in malnutrition, let alone give you a basic quality of life.
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Mar 20, 2021 23:03
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Not So Fast posted:Can you link the full piece, this is wild.
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Mar 21, 2021 02:36
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drat the opener for that is amazingquote:The other thing I’m doing to try to calm down about Nov 3 is phone banking! I’m hosting two ‘ChinaTalk for Biden’ phone-banking zoom sessions Saturday and Sunday from 5-7pm EST. Would love to see you there.
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Mar 21, 2021 02:37
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https://twitter.com/cnnphilippines/status/1373180677961568257?s=19 😍😍😍 👏👏👏 😂😂😂
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