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"Chief remember my wish, if I ever turn into some kind of horrible flesh abomination used to neurally control an alien ship, be sure to punch me right in the loving face."
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Mar 19, 2021 23:53
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For the longest time, I did not know this was the same Covenant ship from earlier in the game. I took Cortana's statement at the start of the level to mean that this ship was a second Covenant ship that got left behind in the chaos of the Flood appearing, and all of the Covenant troops in the level were launched from the Truth and Reconciliation in a desperate bid to scuttle it before the Flood took over. Also, I completely forgot the first part of the level. I remember Cortana warping you in upside down, but after that, everything else is a blur until you get back onto the ship. I genuinely do not remember the whole "jump into the pool of coolant from a warship reactor" section.
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Guilty Spark did mention that the Flood were working to repair the ships that had crashed on Halo, so I was expecting something like this. Presumably there's similar infestation in the ship's engine rooms. What surprises me from a story perspective is that the Covenant isn't simply commencing orbital bombardment of Halo and this ship. Even if they could get this cruiser flying again, all it takes is a single missed Flood spore and this mess starts all over again.
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Cythereal posted:Guilty Spark did mention that the Flood were working to repair the ships that had crashed on Halo, so I was expecting something like this. Presumably there's similar infestation in the ship's engine rooms. Doing anything that might damage Halo is a complete non-starter for the Covenant, as at the very least it is a irreplaceable holy artifact. In fact in the books the Autumn is only able to make it to Halo for this very reason.
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I never picked up on why the Flood were so focused on THIS ship, and why there was a giant hole in it. I like that the Covenant are freaking out about Flood containment about as much as we are
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One extra cool thing that wasn't shown is that the banshees at the end have no collision once you fly off. The level doesn't end until Cortana stops talking so if you just drop right down and climb into it as soon as the elite climbs out you can safely ignore all those spec ops covenant by flying straight up through the ceiling to wait for the fade out.
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Right. Keyes. The level I always forget exists. We talked about the flamethrower earlier, and it's relevant again! This level originally featured it! You were supposed to burn the implants out of the Captain's skull with it. This was changed because the reference material was... Well, remember how Mortal Kombat gave its devs PTSD? Other things to note, uh... Oh! That thing with the shields mentioned last episode, where you can launch yourself if you time a jump on them right as they come back? The only way to make the par time in this level. It's annoying.
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Just a quick note regarding coolant: y'all seemed to think coolant would automatically be super cold (thus, frost effect) - actually a lot of coolant used in the real world isn't. It's just efficient at heat transfer, cooler than what's being cooled, easy to circulate, etc. Water is the most common coolant used in the real world, including on some nuclear reactors etc. There are even applications where the coolant is very hot - but temperature stable, and still cooler than the thing being cooled. Liquid sodium is used to cool some fast reactors, for example. Obviously whatever they're using in this level is meant to be some exotic substance the Covenant have (hence, glowing green). But there's a decent chance it's not cold.
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AradoBalanga posted:For the longest time, I did not know this was the same Covenant ship from earlier in the game. I took Cortana's statement at the start of the level to mean that this ship was a second Covenant ship that got left behind in the chaos of the Flood appearing, and all of the Covenant troops in the level were launched from the Truth and Reconciliation in a desperate bid to scuttle it before the Flood took over. It's kind of weird, because you'd think it'd get mentioned in the game that it was the same ship, but it never does. That detail comes from the novelization, and I almost wonder if the author just didn't want to make up a new name and decided to re-use it. Ikasuhito posted:Doing anything that might damage Halo is a complete non-starter for the Covenant, as at the very least it is a irreplaceable holy artifact. In fact in the books the Autumn is only able to make it to Halo for this very reason. I totally forgot this detail. I actually am wrong in the commentary where I say the spec ops elites are there to destroy the ship. Cortana says in the opening cutscene that they are trying to repair it for some reason, although maybe they'd destroy it out in space to avoid damaging the ring. malkav11 posted:Just a quick note regarding coolant: y'all seemed to think coolant would automatically be super cold (thus, frost effect) - actually a lot of coolant used in the real world isn't. It's just efficient at heat transfer, cooler than what's being cooled, easy to circulate, etc. Water is the most common coolant used in the real world, including on some nuclear reactors etc. There are even applications where the coolant is very hot - but temperature stable, and still cooler than the thing being cooled. Liquid sodium is used to cool some fast reactors, for example. Yeah I studied refrigeration cycles in university, although that was over a decade ago (big sad). I know coolant isn't some magically cold liquid, but it would have been a cool video game thing that would have made sense intuitively, if not realistically.
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:I totally forgot this detail. I actually am wrong in the commentary where I say the spec ops elites are there to destroy the ship. Cortana says in the opening cutscene that they are trying to repair it for some reason, although maybe they'd destroy it out in space to avoid damaging the ring. Granted, I've never touched the Halo novels, so it's entirely possible the novels explain this part of the game better than what's in the main game.
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At this point I think the covenant still think they can win the fight against the flood, so are actually intending to fully retake the ship. Alternatively maybe they realised the reactor could blow and wanted to stop that to protect the ring itself?
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The novel reveals there's a minor Prophet aboard the ship.
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The Keyes tumor thing really is gross
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McTimmy posted:The novel reveals there's a minor Prophet aboard the ship.
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RIP Keyes. We will never forget you and your memorable valor of.... of.... Well you landed the ship better than the one we rode down, so that counts right?
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I know it probably goes into some external slot that has no direct communication with his body, but I was always uncomfortable about how Chief is fine with the chip covered in infectious space zombie goo being jammed straight into his head, as long as he gives it a bit of shake first.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:I know it probably goes into some external slot that has no direct communication with his body, but I was always uncomfortable about how Chief is fine with the chip covered in infectious space zombie goo being jammed straight into his head, as long as he gives it a bit of shake first.
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AradoBalanga posted:I've always seen that as a quiet indication of how desperate the situation has become. The Flood are spreading rapidly across Halo, so Chief has no real time to not only mourn the death of his commanding officer, but to properly clean the Flood goop off of Keyes' implants before plugging them into his suit. He has to get to the Pillar of Autumn and blow up the reactors immediately or else the Flood will find a way off of Halo and become the widespread galactic threat they have been alluded to being in the past. Or that the homicidal AI will set off the rings and destroy all life. It's sort of telling when the genocidal alien juggernaut you've been at war with for decades has been bumped down to a moderate concern. Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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I find the classic graphics for the Flood brain mass to be more horrifying, since it looked more like Keyes was fully assimilated by it. Really emphasizes how sharp of a turn the second half of the game takes into sci-fi horror compared to the first half. Regarding the those black spec ops Covenant, the elites are notable in that they are the only ones to throw grenades, and will straight up tag you if you don't dodge out of the way. I think they also fire faster and more aggressively compared to the other elite types, which is why they seem to do more damage.
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 10 - The Maw Time for the big finish. Let's go out with a bang!
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I really love that ending for some reason. It's very bleak and desolate in a way that matches the rest of the game and the sole survivor bit fits with the shift into horror genre the game does. It would be a real shame if almost all of it got retconned later on... And as much poo poo as I gave Keyes for being a nonentity last time, landing the ship instead of letting it crash land DID kind of save the day in the end, so I might have been a tad too mean.
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Fun fact about that helmet tease - if you hack the camera to be able to see inside the ship during that scene, his helmet doesn't actually come off. It just puts an extra helmet in his hands to put next to him, and the actual model, since it was never meant to be shown like that, just keeps the helmet as per normal since the cutscene camera can't see his head when it happens anyway.
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BlazetheInferno posted:Fun fact about that helmet tease - if you hack the camera to be able to see inside the ship during that scene, his helmet doesn't actually come off. It just puts an extra helmet in his hands to put next to him, and the actual model, since it was never meant to be shown like that, just keeps the helmet as per normal since the cutscene camera can't see his head when it happens anyway.  
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It's not surprising to me that Master Chief and Cortana are the sole survivors. It is weird to me that there's no mention of trying to contact or warn anyone else other than calling in Foehammer. Like, if they knew everyone else was dead, that would be one thing. But it didn't seem that way.
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The talk about LAN parties at the end made me age 5000 years in an instant. Thank you for making me feel that old. I am looking forward to Halo 2 and the surge of big name talent that came in to do the voice work/soundtrack.
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Huh, Halo 1 seems like a really short game
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malkav11 posted:It's not surprising to me that Master Chief and Cortana are the sole survivors. It is weird to me that there's no mention of trying to contact or warn anyone else other than calling in Foehammer. Like, if they knew everyone else was dead, that would be one thing. But it didn't seem that way. They got flood to deal with. Gotta go and gotta go now.
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Neat LP so far, and I liked the ending. Seems like a surprisingly good game, even if I don't care for Master Chief.
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Given that the Halo spins to simulate gravity, there's no way that chunk would fall towards the other side of the ring after the Pillar exploded. Also, if the Pillar had just crashed into it, wouldn't that have destroyed the ring, too? But then there wouldn't have been a game. Great LP. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Also, if the Pillar had just crashed into it, wouldn't that have destroyed the ring, too? But then there wouldn't have been a game. The Pillar of Autumn is one and a bit kilometres long. Halo is 318km wide, and 20-odd deep. The Autumn isn't breaking that at any speed she can achieve under her own power. Also, the astute among you may have noticed an issue with the Warthog Run, given the Autumn's stated length. I can only assume UNSC shipwrights have mastered TARDIS technologies.
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malkav11 posted:It's not surprising to me that Master Chief and Cortana are the sole survivors. It is weird to me that there's no mention of trying to contact or warn anyone else other than calling in Foehammer. Like, if they knew everyone else was dead, that would be one thing. But it didn't seem that way. This is another case of "it's in the book". Human forces are actually aware of what MC is up to and are in the process of trying to make their escape during the last mission. It doesn't go great. Ablative posted:
To add to this, here is a layout of the warhog run imposed on the Autumn.  What makes this better is that we can see that the longsword on the forward right side of the Autumn. So this means we travel well above and three times the length of the ship forward to go slightly up and back.
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I really like the comedy bits, Halo just doesn't have enough backing it up to take itself that seriously. I feel like they kind of lose that throughout the series, it gets pretty joyless later on. And absolutely gently caress getting those grenades in the holes, it's so tricky. Especially with plasma grenades which don't even have the good grace to bounce in occasionally even if you're not right on target.
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Ablative posted:The Pillar of Autumn is one and a bit kilometres long. Yes, but I meant if the reactor blew up if the ship smashed into the ring. If just sitting on the beach and going boom was enough to destroy Halo, hitting it at the speeds spaceships travel at and the reactor exploding would have double boomed it.
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Does anyone know how Sgt. Johnson survives that ending?
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Outpost22 posted:Does anyone know how Sgt. Johnson survives that ending? Full-on naked retcon, because fan reaction to the character was so strong.
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