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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, guns are an obvious one. A modern pistol isn't vastly different than a M1911. Maybe as transport craft, the c130's still going strong nearly seven decades old.
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The self-defeating nature of this is pretty impressive. https://twitter.com/timeswang/status/1372534399644938245
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Zakrello posted:would have been a hard one due to geological reasons, thats for sure. I guess the claim is losing to China in this one particular potential war. Defeating America is mostly about making the continuation of the war in question politically untenable. IMO that's always an even iffier question than the actual military conflict.
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Gaius Marius posted:Maybe as transport craft, the c130's still going strong nearly seven decades old. A surprising number of countries apparently still use at least a handful of C-47 Skytrains.
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Gaius Marius posted:Maybe as transport craft, the c130's still going strong nearly seven decades old. Slight quibble, but I think most C-130's are far newer than the doofy-looking A models without a radar in the nose. Il-28, maybe? The Chinese version is still in use by N. Korea. I don't know how much Harbin modified the design to make the H-5 though.
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There are a ton of WWII artillery guns being used all over the world, and if you take care of them, they last forever.
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Weka posted:I guess the claim is losing to China in this one particular potential war. Defeating America is mostly about making the continuation of the war in question politically untenable. IMO that's always an even iffier question than the actual military conflict. Listen if there's one thing that Americans are known for when it comes to military affairs it's never using sunk-cost as a motivator
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"Hit the Americans hard enough they'll stop fighting" always works out great for everyone involved when it's been tried.
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Grand Fromage posted:"Hit the Americans hard enough they'll stop fighting" always works out great for everyone involved when it's been tried. The Vietnamese and the Taliban might quibble with your sarcasm here.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The Vietnamese and the Taliban might quibble with your sarcasm here. They didn't win by hitting the US hard enough that the USA gave up, they both won wars of attrition where the Americans had no clear objective. "Stop the PRC from controlling Taiwan" is an extremely clear objective and it's the kind that top brass jerk off to at night
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The Vietnamese and the Taliban might quibble with your sarcasm here. The million+ Vietnamese/Laotians/Cambodians/Afghans the US killed probably wouldn't say it worked out well for them. Also Vietnam didn't attack the US. Neither did the Taliban, but they at least had a connection with the people who did.
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Ya surely a better comparison would be with al qaeda? And they are all dead or in secret hell prisons now. Saudi royal family still runs saudi arabia, no caliphate or anything they got wrecked. Even to expand it to some inane misguided 'the muslims vs the west' thing, the result was iraq getting destroyed, syria getting destroyed, libya getting destroyed, yemen getting destroyed, the palestinians getting hosed even worse etc etc. Hitting the US hard didnt make the US give up it made the US go apeshit and declare a forever war.
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Right. I'm not saying ra ra come at the US and your rear end is toast, I'm saying attacking the US makes it go absolutely goddamn insane for years and kill everyone it can get its hands on. Which is bad for everybody. E: My other controversial stance is countries attacking each other is also bad and the world would be better if it stopped happening. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Grand Fromage posted:My other controversial stance is countries attacking each other is also bad and the world would be better if it stopped happening. 
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Grand Fromage posted:E: My other controversial stance is countries attacking each other is also bad and the world would be better if it stopped happening. I disagree
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Fallen Hamprince posted:I disagree vietnamese invasion of cambodia seems good in retrospect even though it was condemned by the international community
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Fojar38 posted:If you're a third world dictatorship whose primary military interest is being able to roll tanks around to intimidate civilians then WW2 stuff still gets the job done tbh. Took me a moment to realise that that was in reference to Paraguay, not China.
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Vesi posted:vietnamese invasion of cambodia seems good in retrospect even though it was condemned by the international community In its thousands of years of history, Vietnam just can't catch a break.
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Weka posted:I guess the claim is losing to China in this one particular potential war. Defeating America is mostly about making the continuation of the war in question politically untenable. IMO that's always an even iffier question than the actual military conflict. Y'all might notice I don't say anything about high American casualties in this post.
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a material portion of america unironically lusts for death
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Not So Fast posted:The underlying justification seems to be "please give the DoD more money". this is my armchair strategy
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Dont Touch ME posted:In its thousands of years of history, Vietnam just can't catch a break. I ve always admired the vietnamese because they seem to not like eachother very much. speak with the expat community here and they have some very strong opinions about their brothers and sisters back in vietnam.
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Ups_rail posted:I ve always admired the vietnamese because they seem to not like eachother very much. the american war (america's vietnam war) was a civil war
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Ups_rail posted:I ve always admired the vietnamese because they seem to not like eachother very much. That's seems universal for all refugee diaspora, just talk with the Persian royalists et al. Viet in VN certanly don't hate them back if anything. There have been multiple expat "waves" and the old south who went to America when the war ended is a distinct one. Besides the other most known like the persecuted chinese, the boaters, the Hmong, there are so many who are just regular ol' work migration. They kinda get forgotten but they are a huge group today all in all. They are as big a part of who someone in VN sees when they think of expats as everyone, and that certainly might be part explanation for the very one-way feelings.
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Ups_rail posted:I ve always admired the vietnamese because they seem to not like eachother very much. Talk to enough Vietnamese in Viet Nam and you'll see it's still a pretty divided country. Lots of southerners don't like northerners, but it doesn't have anything to do with the war. It's just a prevailing historical fact that transcends the Nguyễn dynasty. Northerners and central Viets are a historically different people from southerners, with different languages, culture and origins. Northerners were deeply affected by the 1000 years of Chinese domination. The south is borderline matriarchal, while the north exudes a very "confucian atmosphere", if you catch my drift. Throw in the fact that Northerners tend to be cheeky and a little cocky, and southerners are really laid back, and there's quite a lot of clash between them. At the end of the day it's stuff that gets pushed to the sidelines, individual cases matter more. People in the country get along usually. It's just that if you go digging, you'll find the scars. Also, many of the Viets I know think that the expats seething at the old country is very cute.
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With regards to the Sinovac Chinese vaccine: 1992 Cricket World Cup winning Captain, (and in lesser importance, current Pakistan PM), Imran Khan has tested positive for COVID 19 only 2 days after receiving the Chinese vaccine. I know that this means nothing, and antibodies etc. take time to develop, and that it is his own drat fault for having maskless rallies/gatherings etc. But this is not a good look. And is just the sort of international bad PR that the CCP hate. Oh, and Modi, (the arsehole), sent him a sarcastic "get better soon" message, like the fascist racist fundamentalist arsehole that he is. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-20/imran-khan-tests-positive-for-covid-19-pakistin-prime-minister/100019474
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Grand Fromage posted:Wonder if there's still anybody flying WW2 era aircraft (to fight, not as trainers).
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Dont Touch ME posted:Talk to enough Vietnamese in Viet Nam and you'll see it's still a pretty divided country. Lots of southerners don't like northerners, but it doesn't have anything to do with the war. It's just a prevailing historical fact that transcends the Nguyễn dynasty. Northerners and central Viets are a historically different people from southerners, with different languages, culture and origins. Northerners were deeply affected by the 1000 years of Chinese domination. The south is borderline matriarchal, while the north exudes a very "confucian atmosphere", if you catch my drift. I was talking with my friends wife about this today. The husband brought up that time me and him were in LA at a shop and the owner was a Mr NGO. The husband mentioned how the name means "corn" I think he made a pun with the band KORN. Anyway the dude asked how he knew that and it came up how his soon to be wife was viet. Mr NGO turned very serious and earnest and basically asked if it was a play for a green card, and was all set to warn him. and calmed down when told she already had one.
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Budzilla posted:Azerbaijan in the recent war was using An-2 biplanes (first produced in 1947) as bait for Armenia to use their radar against. I am also sure that the CCP spends more on internal security than on its armed forces. Aren't the so called armed forces mainly trained to put down riots should unharmonious dissent ever occur in a significant way? E: to the point of some low status infantry reporting they got seven rounds each of rifle training and then presumably back to their real service weapon, the police baton. Strategic Tea fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Strategic Tea posted:Aren't the so called armed forces mainly trained to put down riots should unharmonious dissent ever occur in a significant way? That was a post of mine about my wife's cousin and his brief, disappointing term in the PLA. He touched a real service rifle like two times a year for a morning. I've forgotten the specific numbers, but it was something like 6 rounds each, in two sessions of three. Semi-auto only, and you had no way to check your results, as everyone that day shot at the same target. Training varies unit, to unit, district, province, etc. Saving money and avoiding accidents is the path to success for a PLA commander, so anything that costs money or could result in embarrassment is avoided. 90% of their training was civilian pacification. -get dressed fast -block formation in base -get on trucks quickly -arrive at destination -hop out of truck, block formation -grab the equipment* -make shoulder to shoulder wall where needed *Depending on the size of the crowd, their agitation level, and importance of quashing it before it happens the soldiers might just arrive their uniforms with nothing else, they might have face shields, plastic shields and batons, they might have unloaded rifles, or loaded rifles. They practiced for all situations, but never deployed for real with anything more than their uniforms. While I was living in Shenyang they deployed in uniform and encircled the embassy district because an energy drink company didn't pay people for raising ants.
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Blistex posted:
Please tell this story
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VideoTapir posted:Please tell this story Back in 2008 a startup energy drink company was operating in the N.E. of China. One of the ingredients was ground up ants. The way to source ants? Have people raise them. People would buy an ant raising kit from the company, raise a batch of ants, then sell them back to the company. . . Profit! Naturally someone at the company took that money and ran, so there was a planned protest to get the local government to investigate. Word spread on the internet, and by first light there were a few thousand soldiers circling government buildings and embassies throughout the city, stopping any chance of a protest before it started.
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Ups_rail posted:I ve always admired the vietnamese because they seem to not like eachother very much. you emmigrate not only in pursuit of a better life but also to escape.
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Chinathread: This is how you get ants
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Chinathread: Our army exists to squash the enemies of the corporation, but someone'll claim we're playing long-game communism anyway. Alternatively: This is not how you get ants.
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But they did get ants  E. Chinathread: we're talking about ants ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Managed to find what looks like a news story about the situation; https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSP70669 Unless there have been multiple ant-raising scams in China, which is plausible.
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