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MCU TV: demanding Falcon’s 1099
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Mar 21, 2021 19:36
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KittyEmpress posted:I'm gonna be honest, just like i wouldnt recognize Chris Evan's in person (literally, I've seen him in person and only got told THAT WAS CHRIS EVANS after the fact) I probably wouldn't recognize any of the other avengers unless they were in costume. A key difference is they were at a preplanned meeting together.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:37
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Spacebump posted:A key difference is they were at a preplanned meeting together. The Falcon is a B-tier member of the second wave of Avengers whose most high-profile moment in public memory is likely that he was the one to swoop out of the portals after Black Panther and all them during the big Endgame fight. Otherwise he was just one action figure of many swarming around a bunch of weird dumb poo poo that led to the Blip in the eyes of the public. Odds are also pretty good he doesn't sign "Falcon: of the Avengers" on all his forms or say "and make sure everyone knows it's me-- Falcon-- from the Avengers" on the phone before a meeting. Even with their infamy, asking a rando small-town banker to recognize "Sam Wilson" as famous on-sight on an application is like asking a non-fan to remember the names of anyone other than Michael Jordan on the 90s Bulls roster after Space Jam came out. I know that most of y'all are just straight loving with people now, but come on.
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Thundercracker posted:MCU TV: CIVIL WAR (OVER BOAT FINANCING) If you google ‘cost of a Shrimp boat’, first link is a spreadsheet where you can enter the price of shrimp, wages and fuel and calculate the ROI. All the numbers involved are in 5 or 6 digits, a business loan to cover them for long enough to get to profitability might well be 7. In the real world, someone from Seal Team 6 makes maybe $60,000 a year. The pilot of a $80 million jet makes $90,000..Which is good money, but is never going to allow you to drop a million on a whim. He probably would have been able to slip his sister a few thousand a year to cover the losses on the boat. But that would be weird ; few would do that, and many would look done on those who accepted such a deal. In a different corner of the real world, the average salary of a 2nd string linebacker is over a million a year. For someone analogous to Falcon, maybe outside the top 10, but certainly inside the top 40, that is more like 50. The same for actors and musicians; Antony Mackie himself reportedly makes half a million an episode. On that money, _not_ buying out your parent’s mortgage would be wield. Falcon has (as far as has been shown) no special powers. At one time, he had a unique value in that he was one of the two people Tony Stark trusted to use his technology for military purposes. With Stark dead, that has gone away. Any funds he has will be tied up into trying to run a PMC on the basis of his unique Stark-tech. And that is something Pepper Potts seems unlikely to help him out with. So, if being a superhero is more like being in the military than it is like being a sportsman, it is entirely realistic that he needs to go to the bank. And if he needs to go to the bank, someone can of course be realistically racist against him. So why the difference between sportsmen and the military? Well, one time they, and the music industry, were basically the same. You could be famous without being rich, and those who tried to turn the one into the other ended up as tragedies (‘say it ain’t so, Joe’). That changed because over time, those doing that work organized, and won, against both racism and entrenched capital. Being a superhero in the MCU is new, and that struggle hasn’t happened yet. If this miniseries doesn’t cover it, it will have missed an opportunity.
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Firebert posted:This is amazing lol the meta in the description is great "Our apologies to the families of Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston, we're sure they're very proud of you. View the Slideshow."
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https://twitter.com/Adriandhy/status/1373524211700887562?s=20
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lmao like Bucky's insurance would be good enough to get mandatory therapy down to $60/session
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KittyEmpress posted:Unrelated to the 6 pages of 'how can falcon not have monies', Yori owned and Bucky seeking atonement is a lot more compelling than I thought he would be. I knew I'd like Falcon's story, but I didn't expect Winter Soldier's to be like this. Are we sure that Cap is actually dead? I imagine Sam/Bucky/Bruce would cover up Steve's choice by saying he died somehow. Cap is definitely hiding on the Moon. General whoever told Sam he "did the right thing", I sorta imagine that the General and others don't actually know that Steve chose Sam as his successor, and he was saying that more as "oh you just recovered this somehow and instead of keeping it as a keepsake of your dead friend you gave it to us" pik_d fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Mar 21, 2021 20:23
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Imagine if they brought Cap back after conclusively bringing his arc to a close only now Chris Evans has to wear old man makeup in every scene.
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stev posted:Imagine if they brought Cap back after conclusively bringing his arc to a close only now Chris Evans has to wear old man makeup in every scene. If anything I could see an end-of-season scene where Steve looks on approvingly as Sam takes up the mantle or something silly.
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stev posted:Imagine if they brought Cap back after conclusively bringing his arc to a close only now Chris Evans has to wear old man makeup in every scene. There were rumors after Endgame that Old Cap would become the new Stan Lee and I was like "cute... but no way they're gonna spend the money for that."
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You'd think someone in the MCU would be capable of slowing aging given that they can perfect time travel in a week, invent a substance that defies the laws of physics, and you can apparently completely stop aging with no side effects by throwing someone in ice water.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You'd think someone in the MCU would be capable of slowing aging given that they can perfect time travel in a week, invent a substance that defies the laws of physics, and you can apparently completely stop aging with no side effects by throwing someone in ice water. Iirc Steve is like 120 by the end of Endgame so I'm guessing that super soldier serum has some slowed aging effects
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You'd think someone in the MCU would be capable of slowing aging given that they can perfect time travel in a week, invent a substance that defies the laws of physics, and you can apparently completely stop aging with no side effects by throwing someone in ice water. I mean the Hulk unintentionally invented immortality by "pushing time through Lang" in End Game. Just reset yourself to be in your 20s every few decades.
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uftheory posted:I mean the Hulk unintentionally invented immortality by "pushing time through Lang" in End Game. Just reset yourself to be in your 20s every few decades.  and you're gonna die fast if you actually try to stay in a modified body."
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mind the walrus posted:I'm sure they could handwave that with "yeah it works but it's borrowed time Stealing life from your parallel selves. Multiverse of madness is going to be like that stargate atlantis episode where alternate mckay shows up to tell them to stop destroying his reality
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mind the walrus posted:lmao like Bucky's insurance would be good enough to get mandatory therapy down to $60/session What's an average for therapy in America, out of interest? I watched a video that gave examples for the prices of some medical procedures in America without insurance a few months ago, but it didn't mention therapy at all and I'd assume most people do it through insurance of some kind. tsob fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Mar 21, 2021 20:53
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Man, so what you will about Marvel but the casting is on point. Imagine looking at one of the leads of the failed Fantastic Four movies and going ya, that guy will be the lynchpin for our franchise
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mind the walrus posted:lmao like Bucky's insurance would be good enough to get mandatory therapy down to $60/session He mentioned she was a former soldier so it could be at the VA or something
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Mar 21, 2021 20:55
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tsob posted:What's an average for therapy in America, out of interest?
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mind the walrus posted:The Falcon is a B-tier member of the second wave of Avengers whose most high-profile moment in public memory is likely that he was the one to swoop out of the portals after Black Panther and all them during the big Endgame fight. Otherwise he was just one action figure of many swarming around a bunch of weird dumb poo poo that led to the Blip in the eyes of the public. The banker recognized him as famous black man. He was just too racist to recognize which one. He isn’t a random small town banker, he is a home town banker of one of the less than 10 Avengers that live on Earth and have saved the world multiple times.
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Lol I was totally convinced buckys therapist was Carmella soprano but she IS NOT fyi she is someone else
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Spacebump posted:The banker recognized him as famous black man. He was just too racist to recognize which one. He isn’t a random small town banker, he is a home town banker of one of the less than 10 Avengers that live on Earth and have saved the world multiple times. Sam's sister lives in Louisiana, not sure if he does?
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tsob posted:What's an average for therapy in America, out of interest? I watched a video that gave examples for the prices of some medical procedures in America without insurance a few months ago, but it didn't mention therapy at all and I'd assume most people do it through insurance of some kind. In my 20’s I saw a sliding scale clinic in downtown Philly that gave me to a grad student for $40 an hour and then down to $25 an hour 3 times a week during a severe crisis. He was extremely good and helpful. Now I have to use a private clinic and my therapist had to close his private practice and go work for a counseling center due to Covid. He charged me $80 an hour (this felt worth it to me, I found him extremely helpful during very hard times) but he’s out of my price range now because the clinic forces him to charge $130 an hour due to his credentials. So there’s a nice cross section that also demonstrates availability in a big major city vs out in the countryside
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sebmojo posted:im sorry seeing mild institutional racism and fraught sibling relationships is a bridge too far for my suspension of disbelief that's just how it is I'm right there with you. I have seen the light. Our superhero movies/shows must be realistic. But before we get into how realistic Sam's situation with the bank was, let's start with something "small" or at least harder to debate because it relies on the known laws of the physical universe in which we live. To that end, we must start a petition demanding that the scenes showing the SHIELD Helicarrier be modified to show something more like this:  What the gently caress is that, you may ask? That is what physics says the actual size of the rotors lifting and propelling the Helicarrier would need to be in order to lift and propel said Helicarrier at the speeds it apparently moved during Avengers. Oh, and that spot in the middle? That's a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. Those things are not small. So yeah, in my new love of realism, I absolutely cannot wait for that stupid looking thing to show up in some re-shot version of the Avengers? Can the rest of you? Everyone fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Spacebump posted:The banker recognized him as famous black man. He was just too racist to recognize which one. He isn’t a random small town banker, he is a home town banker of one of the less than 10 Avengers that live on Earth and have saved the world multiple times. sebmojo posted:Sam's sister lives in Louisiana, not sure if he does?
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sebmojo posted:Sam's sister lives in Louisiana, not sure if he does? Sam was living somewhere in the DC area during Winter Soldier and I’m almost certain we haven’t heard otherwise since then. Seems like he’s just in NOLA to visit his family and finalize whatever’s going on with the boat and the business.
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Everyone posted:I'm right there with you. I have seen the light. Our superhero movies/shows must be realistic. But before we get into how realistic Sam's situation wit the bank was, let's start with something "small" or at least hard to debate because it relies on the known laws of the physical universe in which we live. To that end, we must start a petition demanding that the scenes showing the SHIELD Helicarrier be modified to show something more like this: Social Realism > Physical Realism when it comes to stories. This is something I'd expect a literal child to be able to understand implicitly. There's no reason to conflate the two as a giant banner that says "REALISM" unless you're salty and/or stupid.
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Spacebump posted:The banker recognized him as famous black man. He was just too racist to recognize which one. He isn’t a random small town banker, he is a home town banker of one of the less than 10 Avengers that live on Earth and have saved the world multiple times. Who knows how much the general public is aware of in relation to their exploits? It's not like they had the same perspective as we did. Also it's not like people act incredibly rationally all the time in the real world. If Trump can have 70 million people vote for him then some banker can certainly be unimpressed with Falcon, especially if what he knows is far more limited than what we know.
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Xachariah posted:Who knows how much the general public is aware of in relation to their exploits? It's not like they had the same perspective as we did. Again, in literally the very first scene of the show after the opening action sequence a person on the street recognizes Sam as an avenger, despite Sam just wearing a black leather jacket. The show goes out of its way to demonstrate, both immediately and multiple times, that Sam is recognizably famous to people on the street across the entire planet... and there are still goons insisting that he’s not Captain America or Iron Man so he’s a nobody. It’s like you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re calling the show a liar.
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mind the walrus posted:Social Realism > Physical Realism when it comes to stories. This is something I'd expect a literal child to be able to understand implicitly. There's no reason to conflate the two as a giant banner that says "REALISM" unless you're salty and/or stupid. What does social realism tell you will happen after half the planet magically disappears for 5 years?
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mind the walrus posted:lmao I went until I was in my 20s to learn that several creators of world-class media properties originated in my home town. It was never brought up among parents/classmates/teachers/friends. It wasn't advertised in the town on a sign or during celebrations. It was literally trivial. Any Avenger who isn't Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, or Thor is almost certainly viewed the same way. Humans are really weird like that. I disagree that only the big Avengers multiple reasons. I'll give you, they may be more well known. Superheroes are a level of celebrity unlike any our world knows. As another poster pointed out, in our world Avengers are known by a large amount of the public and they are fake. Imagine how well known they'd be if they were real. He is part of a small team that saved the world multiple times. I also don't think there is anyway the US military could resist using Falcon in propaganda/recruiting commercials. While it is weird your town doesn't do anything for those creators, only a small amount of creators are known by the general population. They don't tend to get the celebrity treatment like athletes or actors. It is easier for people to put a face to idealize when people act or play sports vs animate or write. I think superheroes would get treatment more like athletes and actors. There just aren't enough superheroes in the MCU for the Earth based ones to not get treated like mega celebrities. People go wild for such minor "celebrities" in real life, I just can't accept Falcon wouldn't be generally known in the MCU at this point. I bet a significant amount of people reading this know who Snookie is. sebmojo posted:Sam's sister lives in Louisiana, not sure if he does? I meant that he is from the area, not that he still lives there. Apologies for the miscommunication. Xachariah posted:Who knows how much the general public is aware of in relation to their exploits? It's not like they had the same perspective as we did. This is a fair point. I just kind of assume clips of their exploits have been chopped into documentaries, youtube videos, or propaganda.
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mind the walrus posted:Social Realism > Physical Realism when it comes to stories. This is something I'd expect a literal child to be able to understand implicitly. There's no reason to conflate the two as a giant banner that says "REALISM" unless you're salty and/or stupid. Well, the Social Realist in me says that what happened in that bank was absolutely plausible, realistic and likely happens every loving day to people of color and other minorities. That same Social Realist also recognizes the value and necessity of showing that the banker does not have to call Sam and Sarah "ni----s" or burn a cross on their lawn to be a racist piece of poo poo. Of showing that racism can be and often is subtle and even "reasonable." And for the record, I am a 52 year old straight, White CIS-gender male from the South. You think I can't recognize people (unconsciously?) trying to devalue, dis-empower and dismiss as "unrealistic" the story and experiences being told and shown here? I am completely familiar with the stench of that particular bouquet. God forgive my stupid younger self, but I dealt that stench a few times. I did not expect to encounter quite so much of it here in this thread. Well, live and learn.
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DEAR KEVIN A Tunisian rando recognized Falcon but an American rando did not. I grew up reading Falcon comics and he has been my favorite character for over 30 YEARS NOW. This obvious blunder has literally ruined my childhood and I can only pray that whomever is responsible was fired for it. Furthermore
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Ed Brubaker posted:And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me... but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with. I've even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful). drat Disney, you cheap fucks. Give the man a producers credit and throw him some bucks, he's the guy who created your best Captain America story and the basis of your tv show
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Bust Rodd posted:Again, in literally the very first scene of the show after the opening action sequence a person on the street recognizes Sam as an avenger, despite Sam just wearing a black leather jacket. The show goes out of its way to demonstrate, both immediately and multiple times, that Sam is recognizably famous to people on the street across the entire planet... and there are still goons insisting that he’s not Captain America or Iron Man so he’s a nobody. It’s like you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re calling the show a liar. What's your point? Guy in Tunisia knew of, recognised and appreciated Falcon, therefore this banker should also recognise him and appreciate him just as much? I'm not saying he's not famous, but that some people like the banker could be a bit ignorant or simply not care. It's not the weirdest thing ever, people believe absurd conspiracy theories and deny the reality in front of their face. I just don't understand why a banker not worshipping Falcon needs to be the thing that causes people the most disbelief in this comic book show.
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Thundercracker posted:Man, so what you will about Marvel but the casting is on point. Imagine looking at one of the leads of the failed Fantastic Four movies and going ya, that guy will be the lynchpin for our franchise The casting for those movies was pretty great in general. I would even say the 2005/7 movies weren't failures but the 2015 was. Micheal B. Jordan? Kate Mara? Jamie Bell? Of all the problems with FANT4STIC the cast were not one of them. pentyne fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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