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harperdc posted:It’s also notable because Houston was sending signals to their batters using a loving trash can. The goofiest, most obtrusive possible way to send signals. How could you possibly miss it. bang BANG
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The Dodgers may not have cheated but they do have Crimes.xlsx. As a Garages fan, I was rooting for the Tacos because the Tacos are cool. Imagine losing two Internet Series in a row, could never fathom that. 😔
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flatluigi posted:you misunderstood at least part of this, people were hopping teams and buying stuff some of which were intentionally sabotage Yeah, like the Crabs are the best defensive team in the league and the purchase was to make home runs easier and more valuable. It seems like it was undone not because it was sabotage, but because the coins were duped. Mills didn't deal with sabotage, but we lost our 3rd upgrade and about 8 million legit coins went poof that could've been votes.
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Steaks had 5 million coin dumped into increasing Peanuts weather. Without a Peanut Mister. Nobody wanted that or could conceivably have wanted that, and it would have taken at minimum an additional 15 million to have overridden it.
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Why would anyone want to sabotage the Steaks? They're like the smallest pre-expansion fanbase, and they're just tryin' their best.
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Thinking about my votes rn. Not gonna vote for decrees. Don't care too much about these although I don't like the one where snacks can be spoiled. Probably gonna do the safe boring thing and vote for the wills/blessings that boost our players... but I am tempted to say gently caress it and drop 3k votes into stealing Nagomi back
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Mar 21, 2021 17:10
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I want to improve Lars Taylor, but right now he's in a sweet spot for Triple Threat procs. Dude's ERA went from nearly 8 to under 3 from season 13 to 14. I know TT is eventually gonna go away though.
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Mar 21, 2021 17:56
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Put 4000 votes into non-dominant arms for the worms because I've been keeping an eye on SIBR. They're licking their lips at the pitching potential of our rotation and I'm predicting some steals. If RNG is going to insist on making the worms not terrible straight away, then they need to be better than "barely missing last place on a tiebreaker" Also 200 into Pot Luck because I've really enjoyed how the snack pack has made concessions builds unpredictable and would like to see more of it
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Mar 21, 2021 18:46
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Wow Crabs plundered everybody so that's some sabotage voting right? 
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Mar 21, 2021 19:10
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I still very much dislike the Crabs. Any worms fans care to explain the trade you made? I don't understand. Is there some FK I'm missing? Cause it seems like just exchanging a couple of bad players. Am I missing something or was this just a wimdy thing?
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Mar 21, 2021 19:25
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Wow Crabs plundered everybody I can tell you as someone following crabs strat planning the only one we were going for was Nagomi. York was a surprise to us as well.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:28
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Man if that's working as intend this sucks hard. Counted fanbase numbers don't even matter just whoever has the most people wins period.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:33
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I think I finally have crossed over into utterly hating the official Discord. The Fridays are being told by the mods to not be negative about the results and to especially not accuse other teams of sabotage, even in our own private rooms. The community is so relentlessly focused on being positive that it’s just flat-out toxic at this point.
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blastron posted:I think I finally have crossed over into utterly hating the official Discord. The Fridays are being told by the mods to not be negative about the results and to especially not accuse other teams of sabotage, even in our own private rooms. The community is so relentlessly focused on being positive that it’s just flat-out toxic at this point. Man I'm used to dumb poo poo but I'm tapping out after tapping in not long ago. If votes can be manipulated that hard forget it.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:43
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Mild league is going to be a graveyard if debt works the same way it used to.
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blastron posted:I think I finally have crossed over into utterly hating the official Discord. The Fridays are being told by the mods to not be negative about the results and to especially not accuse other teams of sabotage, even in our own private rooms. The community is so relentlessly focused on being positive that it’s just flat-out toxic at this point. I'm getting the same thing in the Breath Mints space too. Being told that sabotage is explicitly allowed. Which, like, fine I guess. But loving with wills specifically seems really mean when wills are theoretically where small teams are on even footing. For a big team to sabotage other teams' wills would be really hosed.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:45
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Some wimdy happened in the Georgias wills and we ended up stealing the best player and central lore character of my former favorite team, the Lovers, AND sending them to the shadows. This is gonna be a mess to fix.
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alpha_destroy posted:I'm getting the same thing in the Breath Mints space too. Being told that sabotage is explicitly allowed. Which, like, fine I guess. But loving with wills specifically seems really mean when wills are theoretically where small teams are on even footing. For a big team to sabotage other teams' wills would be really hosed. We’re not being told that sabotage is fine by the rules. We’re not being allowed to discuss it at all! People are eating mutes because they think that it’s bullshit that other teams can roll through and make lovely Wills decisions. Mods have been spamming a “hey it’s time for some self care! 😊 have you eaten anything lately? 😌 go for a walk 😃 and take a shower!” macro. This is toxic as hell and I think I’m just done with the discord for anything but following along with games.
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alpha_destroy posted:I still very much dislike the Crabs. Worms making bad choices is all
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I don’t know why everyone is so mad at the crabs, if the debt thing is similar to how it was before half the team might be incinerated by the playoffs
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InnercityGriot posted:I don’t know why everyone is so mad at the crabs, if the debt thing is similar to how it was before half the team might be incinerated by the playoffs It's more that there's nothing stopping that fanbase from switching in sufficient numbers to influence votes like the fridays exchange. They might as well contract the league because this is going to keep happening to smaller fanbase. They can reload immediately doing that. It's bad design.
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Mar 21, 2021 20:07
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They need to just get rid of exchange and put in a proper trade mechanic
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I'll say specifically for that trade that it is extremely not clear what happened - the Crabs/Fridays can't actually target each other for exchanges being in the same subleague, the only reason the trade went through like that is because the Dale traded Breadwinner to the Crabs for Horseman first - so if it is sabotage it's the Crabs somehow arranging multiple chained trades to exchange a 5 star batter for a 5 star batter (weird), the Dale somehow becoming massively more aggressive and risking getting their own 5 star back (Horseman was originally Dale IIRC) if the trades go through the wrong way, or some unrelated third party just casting random votes around for the hell of it (not impossible given what happened earlier in the week). Beyond that, it's "people off discord do weird poo poo for no apparent reason", which there's not much to do about it aside from trying to put more votes into wills themselves.blastron posted:We’re not being told that sabotage is fine by the rules. We’re not being allowed to discuss it at all! People are eating mutes because they think that it’s bullshit that other teams can roll through and make lovely Wills decisions. Mods have been spamming a “hey it’s time for some self care! 😊 have you eaten anything lately? 😌 go for a walk 😃 and take a shower!” macro. This is toxic as hell and I think I’m just done with the discord for anything but following along with games. This is definitely weird and an overreaction though, given that sabotage has literally demonstrably happened and teams are outright saying they've done sabotage adjacent things (Tigers have apparently admitted to screwing over the Lovers by using them as a middleman on trades, although I'm not clear on the details). Thankfully they do seem to be calming down a bit and letting strategy talk resume, at least.
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It still doesn't make sense why the fridays would vote to exchange a 5 star batter. Just flat out something sketchy happened.
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e:Oh woof actually just looked at the % on that Fridays thing. I take it back something is UP I'm assuming that we'll see changes to how flutes work for season 15. Wills are great and the chaos is good but like the point of them is "some stupid thing happened, there's nobody you can point a finger at because it's all blind and random". Even the faintest whiff of interference is going to get everybody riled up and screaming 'rigged!' even if the real culprit is bad luck or a large % of the playerbase really not caring much about optimisation and just wanting the player with the funny name. To tip the scale in any meaningful way against a whole team's playerbase you'd either need a cabal of people coordinating to flute over to cast votes for the exact same thing en masse (which afaik no team would dare coordinate in any centralised capacity, since the team captains are all in constant communication with each other), or you'd need to be hoarding votes for multiple seasons just to take a punt on dicking another team over. Or getting coins through exploitation but it seems TGB are hot on that. Since all the discourse starters are in the wills you could lock the cheeseboard for a week after opening a new account or switching teams - even if just to reassure people that interference like this is difficult to do. Macdoo fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Ches Neckbeard posted:It still doesn't make sense why the fridays would vote to exchange a 5 star batter. Just flat out something sketchy happened. I'm hoping that Game Band can provide an audit of that particular event. If they can review and change the results of stadium renovations, they should be able to review wtf happened to the Fridays.
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I'm seeing rumblings about organizing vote blocs to get as many teams as possible to swipe good players from the Crabs and I'm not at all sad about the idea
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There's another example with the Worms exchanging a 5 star batter for a Crabs 2 star. Granted it was only a 2% chance of happening there but 27% of their exchange votes vs well you can see the fridays vote. I'll shut up about it now but man something sketchy went down and it's like the crabs got 5 Wills.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:There's another example with the Worms exchanging a 5 star batter for a Crabs 2 star. Granted it was only a 2% chance of happening there but 27% of their exchange votes vs well you can see the fridays vote. From what I understand, the worms' identity is all about self-sabotaging. So it may not have been that in this instance.
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Pakled posted:From what I understand, the worms' identity is all about self-sabotaging. So it may not have been that in this instance. Yeah a big proportion of the worms (myself included) are happy if they win or lose as long as they do it consistently so I'd not be surprised if it was a shortsighted intentional attempt to pull dead weight onto the team. Macdoo fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Mar 21, 2021 21:05
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Yeah, I think banning cheeseboard for N days after fluting would make sense.
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Thankfully this happened right before the long Siesta so there's time for GB to review and correct. I hope they do, this has dampened my enthusiasm in the next season.
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i'm at least glad they put percentages on the votes so that if someone gets really mad about something happening people can go 'yo this had a vanishingly small chance of happening and it's not some organized campaign to gently caress you over specifically'
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It's funny that wills are intended to give smaller teams a chance to improve but instead makes them really easy to gently caress up. Wimdys/sabotage can ruin a team pretty badly so you have to sink so many of your votes to prevent it, meaning you have less votes to put on Blessings. And FIVE out of eight wills can actively gently caress it up for you. Getting a Trust/Infuse on the wrong player usually isn't earth-shattering, and Enrich is basically a payday loan instead of a long term plan, but Plunder/Exchange/Foreshadow/Alternate can all devastate a team if used the right way. But even a non-detrimental Will can push out something your team badly needs. If giving flippers to some random batter (or pitcher lol) means you can't replace a non-performing player it's another week wasted. Moist Talkers got At-Worst slightly inconvenient* wimdy in both of the previous seasons and this season we decided gently caress THIS, OUR ACTUAL PLAN IS GOING THROUGH and sunk tonnes of votes to make sure what we wanted actually happened this time. Like maybe 25% of our total logged discord votes were on Operation Yeet Zim.  But we're a big team and can afford that voting power and had enough left over to semi-accidentally win Headliners. Like you can't avoid wimdy or other goofball plans from off-Discord if you only have a handful of fans coordinating. 3 people with big pocketbooks can gently caress it all up for you, whether they're well-meaning fans that are on a sub-optimal strategy, or rogue agents intentionally looking to sewer you. *S13 someone Plundered PolkaDot Patterson BACK onto the MTs for the pitcher we just Foreshadowed up. I'm not going to complain about getting one of the best pitchers in the game back on our team, but we were fine with them getting stolen in S12 because we figured they'd get pinched eventually and we could recuperate.
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Boy, nothing like joining in and picking the Crabs because they’re my closest team geographically, and then finding out I’ve basically picked the Frankenstein Patriots/Yankees of Blaseball.
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America is one big hellmouth. There's an option.
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Lone Goat posted:It's funny that wills are intended to give smaller teams a chance to improve but instead makes them really easy to gently caress up. Wimdys/sabotage can ruin a team pretty badly so you have to sink so many of your votes to prevent it, meaning you have less votes to put on Blessings. This isn't meant to be a suffering contest, but the Jazz Hands have had all these problems and more since we are not a big team. We haven't won a non-guaranteed blessing since Season 8, and even that one was a wimdy.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Wills turned into a decree-esque vote, but looking throughout the ones executed it just doens't seem like most teams are organized enough to get good odds and might still lose out to Plunder every election. A lot of things in the "20 something %" chance of happening just screams of a small organized voting block that barely dents the total fanbase. e; Yeah even if they do a "the two wills with the most votes win", and within those wills "the target(s) with the most votes wins", some of these 25%'ers are still going to effectively be random. Nephzinho fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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