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FalloutFan56 posted:Chaos wars? Is he a guest character in another game or am I completely off? It's another game, largely famous for its extremely mediocre translation and worse voice acting
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Mar 19, 2021 03:51
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I was wondering when that was going to come up in this thread.
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Mar 19, 2021 04:05
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Specifically, Chaos Wars is a big mash up of characters from different games and companies. I don't even know why they decided to throw all these characters in together other than that they're RPG characters.
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Mar 19, 2021 04:34
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Shadow Hearts is so goddamn goofy that stuff like this stands out a lot, so it's p drat memorable
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Mar 19, 2021 05:30
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Ishimura still has the picture of himself and Ben Hyuga posing with Kawashima on his wall and I don't know if that's  or  .
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Mar 19, 2021 06:49
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Id be angry. Betraying his friends so he can wage preemptive war on everyone? Thats a few more kicks between the ribs, minimum. Itd have been easier to accept if he didnt understand or cared about the weight of his actions, but he chose otherwise. His whole speech before he gets a kicking of his life amounts to "I had no choice" Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 12:15
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Episode CX: Mistakes of the Past.jpg)  <walks up to Karin's side> Where's Yuri? ...... ...Huh? Well....jpg) Hmm. He's still pretty down, huh? Yeah... Maybe we should get, I don't know, a bench put out here for him to sit on? A bench? Yeah, it just seems like it would fit there, you know? Just a weird feeling I have. Well... I'll see what I can do to help.Roger trots towards Yuri. .jpg) Um, Roger! Karin, the leader of the Inugami Clan was looking for you. For me? Are you sure? Yes, she's at the Fountain of Sukune. Hmm... uhh... Just go and meet her. You're not doing Yuri any good staring at him from a distance making concerned noises and frowning. <frowns> Hmm...Karin departs as Roger strolls up and sits beside Yuri. .jpg) <gets himself comfortably seated> Hmm. Yeah....jpg) You couldn't kill him, huh? No... Even though you wanted to, right? Yeah... I heard you gave him a good beating. Did that help any? No... Hurts, doesn't it? Yeah... ...Good. That's how it's supposed to feel. ...Hm? Music: ICARO (Piano Arrangement) ~ Main Theme .jpg) He's lost it all. His Iron Soldiers, his mad scientist, Kato, Nicolai, everything. All he's got to look forward to is a short, sad life. I bet he had one of those ill-defined lingering coughs to indicate declining health on top of it, right? You know the one. I doubt the beating you gave him improved that condition. ...... But it's more than enough time to think over all the crimes he's committed... The thing is, even he was just... doing what he thought was right. In a really crappy way. Not that I'm one to talk. I solve most of my problems by punching and kicking them. But....jpg) He was fighting for his country, his grandson. ...... But... What have I been fighting for...? When that kid was staring at me like that, I realized I had no idea. Just find something new to punch is all I seem to do anymore... The German army... Weird cults... Russian wizards... The Japanese military... And I dunno why... Music: ENDS .jpg) You're fighting for Alice, are you not? I think that you are. Huh?! For the world she loved so much? The future... <glances over at Yuri> And also you. ...Her dreams were very important to you. .jpg) ...... So I think that maybe you fight to try to help her dreams come true. Am I wrong? OLD Music: ALICE .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Music: ENDS .jpg) Alice... C'mon, you've got to buck up. This isn't like you. You would usually be getting fired up and rowdy about something by now. Maybe yell "bite me!" No matter how much you want to, you know you can't change the past!.jpg) ..... <nods> I know that. But I can't stop... No one stops... Sometimes it feels almost like it's way too late to stop... It's difficult to live a life without having any regrets.Roger stands up and stretches. .jpg) I've been alive for 700 years...Music: Relaxation Mood ~ Relief .jpg) ...And I've spent most of that time regretting. Give or take a couple of centuries slumbering in a coffin. I need my beauty sleep, after all. And look, it did me wonders! <smiles and chuckles> Heh. You don't look a day over 500..jpg) That's right. Laugh. Just laugh and go on. That's the best thing to do. Then you can look back at even the saddest things and smile. .......jpg) <stares into the horizon> .......jpg) ...... Yuri? Yeah?Music: ENDS .jpg) I'm going to bring Alice back to you. What?!.jpg) The Émigré magic that Kato used on Ouka... Many famous wizards have tried and failed. Even I've felt its dark call... I did transcribe the entire tome, after all... However, I've always resisted its temptations. <rubs neck> ...Well. Except for that one time I gave myself immortality.Yuri jumps to his feet. .jpg) Uh... But...?! What is Kato planning? We simply have to find out what his intentions are. Like he said, the secret is in the book! You're going to... bring the dead back to life?Music: Serious Mood ~ Unrest .jpg) The two of us will. If one of us goes crazy and... turns into a monster... then the other one will be forced to kill him and stop the magic. ...... See, I have already covered all of the angles. H-have you...? Undoubtedly!.jpg) How about it? ...... ...Okay. I want to do it. Good. Then let's hurry up and take off for Europe. I've got to prepare the tools I need in order to perform the ritual.Music: ENDS .jpg) JESUS loving H CHRIST! What the gently caress is wrong with you, Roger Bacon?! I thought you were supposed to be the smart one in this gang of misfit dipshits! That is the worst possible idea you can ever have to get Yuri over his depression! Using the Émigré Manuscript has a near 100% track record of being a colossally bad idea. ESPECIALLY, when bringing back the dead proper like. The best results so far have been Kato creating Ouka. But she was just a clone that looked (with enhancements) and sounded like Yoshiko Kawashima and not actually the real person brought back to life. And even then she just ended up dying as well sending Kato into pure "gently caress it, going to destroy the planet" levels of over this poo poo depression. And that's the most successful use of the Émigré magic to date! If you need a series refresher, the two we've seen the Émigré Manuscript directly used to resurrect a loved one the results were: .jpg) .jpg) In Koudelka, after a year of abducting prostitutes and murdering passing Welsh people as sacrifices, Patrick Heyworth managed to resurrect his dead, Elaine! Well, just her body... Didn't quite get the soul returned to a mortal vessel part down... In fact, she turned into a ghost. So the result of the body itself was just a magically infused, animalistic flesh golem that could contort into a nightmare creature. It immediately killed Patrick and anyone else that ventured near. It eventually turned into an unstoppable giant bug monster that literally needs divine intervention from Capital G God to Rapture it out of existence. Conclusion: This is an insanely bad idea! .jpg) In the original Shadow Hearts, a Dr. Jack in London couldn't get over the death of his mother in a very Norman Bates kind of way. Luckily, he got his hands on the Émigré Document from a helpful passing dapper warlock. He then opened an orphanage in order to collect enough stray children as sacrifices to mash into a biopaste in a massive cauldron to resurrect his mother. Yeah... that turned into a soulless giant bug monster composed of orphan biomass... Oh and the guy that performed the ritual struck up the ire of Yuri and his previous band and got punched to death. But not before seeing the monster mash version of his mom and it getting punched to death too. But surely, the third time is the charm! There is no way we would have to face a grim insectoid revenant of Alice Elliot's corpse. Roger Bacon is a professional. We probably won't have to murder dozens of abducted prostitutes or orphans to bring back Alice! Meanwhile, at the Fountain of Sukune... .jpg) .jpg) You want to see me? That is kind of out of the blue. But I'm here..jpg)  So, how is he doing? He's still pretty depressed. Roger is talking with him now. I'm sure he'll find a decent way to cheer him up. I'm sure he will be fine soon. Hmm... Yes. He is so much like my brother. Inside and out. Is... is he really? Spike up his hair some more and throw him in a green coat and they could be twins.Music: Relaxation Mood ~ Relief .jpg) You care for him, don't you? ...Um. <nods> Yes, I like him a lot. <nods> I thought so. You don't spend all afternoon staring at a distance at someone while they're depressed otherwise. It would just be creepy then. .......jpg) A woman like me... Do you... think he could ever love me? Love you? I-I mean you'd know... as his aunt. We are related by blood and he does look like my brother but... we have only been acquainted for a few weeks. You have known him far longer than I. Yes. But... I don't really know about this kind of thing. <chuckles> Oh, come now! Don't be silly! Of course he could love you! <smiles> Thank you so much. You're welcome, but... What is it exactly that's worrying you? <looks to the floor> ...... What is it, my dear? <holds up hands> Nothing. It's just... Yes? I know that he doesn't feel the same way. Are you sure? <closes eyes and nods>Music: Past ~ Personal History .jpg) He's still in love with Alice. Alice? Again, I don't actually know my nephew or his past very well yet. His lover. She died protecting him. ...... But I love him too! More than anything! I don't think he knows how I feel... My brother was also rather dense. So that would check out..jpg) But you do plan to fight for him? Don't you? <nods> ...Yes. I haven't left the main party once. That boy was born under a strange star.Saki uses Instant Transmission to reach clear across the shrine cavern to walk up to Karen. .jpg) His whole life, he's been fighting with his destiny... His destiny? Yes. No matter what he does, he cannot escape. Just look at the bizarre adventure he has been on trying to do so..jpg) You too, Karin. You were born with a heavy destiny as well. Me too? <nods> Yes... .jpg) I called you to this place because I wished to give you this.Saki hands Karin a picture. .jpg) ?! It's a photo of him from just before he went overseas..jpg) We only get to see the back of the photo for now. It's going to be really embarrassing for Yuri when it turns out he used to be one of those people that were fugly as sin when they were young children and had a big glow up after they hit puberty. .jpg) I thought that... you might like to see what he look like as a child.Music: Field of God-Dog ~ Village of The Dog God .jpg) Well, that was kind of a strange talk. Speaking of strange, the game dumps us at the far end of the path to the Fountain of Sukune. This would lead one to believe we were meant to guide Yuri over to the shrine as that's where the previous scene with Karin ended. But, nope. That place is empty. Karin and the others have already returned to the fold. .jpg) Indeed, there is absolutely nothing to do in the village but leave. I'm not sure why the game didn't just dump us back on the world map. In any event, that concludes our adventures in Azabu Kamiyashiki. Now onward back to vague points in Europe to set out on performing the worst possible idea ever!   That was a fairly short but eventful chapter. And we do have some new entries in the ol' Library. Monster: .jpg) "Guys. I ran out of juice. I'm stuck in here. Can someone get me out of this thing? Guys?" Of mention, we have defeated the entire Iron Soldiers faction. They're in the defunct villainy pile with Sapientes Gladio. Kato's vague world-threatening plans and Operation: Dumbasses Resurrect Yuri's Girlfriend are the only outlying issues. .jpg) I like to think the top of it is just jutting out of the ground at a park with kids climbing over it like a jungle gym. Character: .jpg) Kosuke Ishimura, the bed wetter, joins General Heimann from the Prologue to the game as one of two characters who have an out-of-cutscene lower poly model and character portrait that are NEVER used outside their Library entries. We never see this dweeby child or his grandfather ever again.  .jpg) Video: Episode 110 Highlight Reel (You should click here for The Bad Idea Zone™)   I do believe we have met every significant named character in the game now. So check out this cute collection of doodle stickers. To get our minds off the TERRIBLE goddamn ideas going down in the plot at the moment. The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Mar 19, 2021 18:27
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That sticker with Yuri and Alice is adorable. Clearly a scene from the future when this resurrection goes flawlessly.
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Mar 19, 2021 19:06
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I like that Rasputin doesn't even rate a sticker.
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Mar 19, 2021 19:09
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Goddrat Roger, in 700 years have you never had to deal with someone that's going through some issues? You don't offer to resurrect the dead via almost-certainly-catastrophic forbidden magics every time someone needs to deal with emotions. I'm starting to think falling back to Earth from the Moon all those times knocked something loose in his head.
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Mar 19, 2021 21:18
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Yuri in deeply emotionally troubled state planning to use the magical that has resulted in nothing but horrible supernatural tragedies until this point to resurrect his dead girlfriend?Yeah, this is going to end well.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:11
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The Dark Id posted:I like to think the top of it is just jutting out of the ground at a park with kids climbing over it like a jungle gym.  Wouldn't be the only Japanese robot to do that.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:27
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To be fair, Yuri wasn't going to do it until suddenly the usually irresponsible in a responsible way Roger stepped in. By the way, remember it's Roger that told Koudelka and company 'lol, this rite was never for bringing people back, the Fomors used it to make mindless labor slaves, it can't work at all'. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:28
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Lenny and Veronica! I remember Lenny and Veronica! From back in the relatively-cheerful times!
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Mar 19, 2021 22:50
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ImpAtom posted:
Ah, Trider G7. (I only know this from Super Robot Wars).
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Mar 19, 2021 23:44
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Oh that's in Tryder? So that's what Billy's mech was referencing in Xenogears!
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Mar 20, 2021 00:26
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What really makes Operation Resurrect Alice screwed up IMHO is they're putting Operation Stop Kato on hold for it. What if the world blows up while we're working on a really bad idea?
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Mar 20, 2021 02:33
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No, see, Roger's on to something. If you take two catastrophically terrible ideas and ram them into each other at sufficient velocity, they'll cancel out harmlessly and just leave everyone scratching their heads trying to remember what they came into the Inadvisable Ritual Room for. It's science!
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Mar 20, 2021 03:14
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Ha ha, no way Yuri's THAT brash or stupid enough-- OH poo poo ROGER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! 
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Mar 20, 2021 05:36
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achtungnight posted:What really makes Operation Resurrect Alice screwed up IMHO is they're putting Operation Stop Kato on hold for it. What if the world blows up while we're working on a really bad idea? Kato at the very least left a Bond villain clue, saying that the Emigre fuckery will reveal some part of his master plan. On the other hand in the last adventure, back when Yuri was a lot dumber, there's no excuse for him and the team chilling out doing sidequests while Albert was off making phone calls to some Lovecraftian abomination.
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Mar 20, 2021 05:48
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I haven't played past this part (last thing I remember with any clarity is the ship dungeon), but Yuri is a rational guy. If this goes forward, he'll come to his senses. Even the most rational person falls prey to their emotions now and then, and Yuri's been through more than most, even by RPG standards
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Mar 20, 2021 05:50
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We can throw the inevitable horribly monstrous creature that we're a out to create at Kato and solve two problems at once
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Mar 20, 2021 05:54
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Hoo boy this is a terrible idea, also can Roger fight, has he ever been like a secret boss or something? How would he stop Yuri if (ha!) things go south?
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Mar 20, 2021 06:09
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Considering Yuri's luck, I'm guessing the Alice-monstrosity will have just enough of her soul to end up taking the Mistletoe curse in Yuri's place. Yuri will have to live knowing his girlfriend sacrificed herself for his sake for the same thing twice over.
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Mar 20, 2021 06:26
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zealouscub posted:Hoo boy this is a terrible idea, also can Roger fight, has he ever been like a secret boss or something? How would he stop Yuri if (ha!) things go south?
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Mar 20, 2021 07:43
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Hey, maybe Roger of all people, having read the uncut version of the Emigre, knows how to do it “properly”. It’s stated he removed the section on immortality, but maybe he hosed with the other parts, too? Or maybe they stop at the “create a body” part. e: also everyone else needed to murk a load of scrubs to accumulate Malice, whereas Yuri's been stomping trash mobs all game. His necklace is a nice, shiny resurrection-red! Lunar Suite fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Mar 20, 2021 12:29
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Roger. What the gently caress!? 
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Mar 20, 2021 14:47
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The Dark Id posted:Roger Bacon is a profession.
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Mar 20, 2021 18:55
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The Dark Id posted:
To me, this line together with the rest of the exhange implies that Roger is looking to prove he's a better wizard than all the others who've tried the ritual and failed. Maybe that's just me, though.
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Mar 20, 2021 19:06
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Lunar Suite posted:Hey, maybe Roger of all people, having read the uncut version of the Emigre, knows how to do it “properly”. It’s stated he removed the section on immortality, but maybe he hosed with the other parts, too? The body creation is not the hard bit Its the not having the body get possessed by a murderous eldritch demon anathema to all life. Also I like the Large Bad Idea Collider theorem.
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Mar 20, 2021 19:51
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I'm starting to think the destroy all life in the active vicinity part of the actual ritual for immortality that Roger used was an unforeseen side effect not even the original Emigre text alluded to. Something like boiling wolf's bane and the bark of an oak tree in your own piss accidentally results in some magic bullshit that most wizards wouldn't even have begun to think of while your own life is spared in the process. And the whole human sacrifice parts of the resurrection ritual might be something he added as troll bait. To the trained eye, it'd read like some mediocre edgelord wizard's ramblings, his own little way of trying to tell real warlocks to stay the gently caress away, and anyone crazy enough to actually do it would eventually get themselves caught due to their incompetence and if that didn't happen, at least the abomination monster would make short work of them after.
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Mar 21, 2021 01:38
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the sacrifices are for collecting Malice, which is a deeply dangerous but potent energy source. Malice is 100% necessary for doing poo poo like piercing the veil between death & life or summoning ancient primordial entities. Yuri's been collecting the stuff from killing trash mobs the whole game, so if they did do a ritual there wouldn't be any need for killing a bunch more people.
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Mar 21, 2021 02:24
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Also, didn't Nicolai just release the Vatican's Although I doubt it'll come to an actual resurrection, considering Karin is the Designated Love Interest for this game. Most likely they'll get a Speak With Dead where Alice's ghost shows up for long enough to help with the Mistletoe Curse or some part of the Kato Situation and then tell him to let go of his grief and be happy or something like that before fading away again.
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Mar 21, 2021 02:58
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If there's one thing I appreciate about this, it's that Roger is actually willing to do it for Yuri. Like, I got the feeling throughout the first two games that Roger was too old to give more than a basic level of a gently caress (that being "yeah, the end of the world is probably bad"). But like, at this point he clearly cares a hell of a lot about Yuri if he's even considering doing this.
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Mar 21, 2021 19:20
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ultrafilter posted:To me, this line together with the rest of the exhange implies that Roger is looking to prove he's a better wizard than all the others who've tried the ritual and failed. Maybe that's just me, though. There's also the fact he's not doing it for himself, unlike all the previous people who've tried using the manuscript. Whether that will matter any, who knows, magic is a fickle beast
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Mar 22, 2021 03:15
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Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea. I also now know what Chaos Wars is and it's both hilarious and hard to watch.
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Mar 23, 2021 03:16
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I mean, he *is* the guy who translated the drat thing to start with, that does give him a leg up on his competition.
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Mar 23, 2021 03:26
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea. I streamed Chaos Wars for charity once and its worst sin is that it's extremely boring. It plays like a low-rent Phantom Brave.
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Mar 23, 2021 04:07
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? 
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Mar 23, 2021 13:18
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FalloutFan56 posted:Ah, come on guys what's the worst that could happen? I mean yes, it doesn't have a good track record but surely this time it'll work right? ...I really hope Alice's ghost shows up and tells him this is a bad idea.
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