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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

CommieGIR posted:

He's not the one doing the work. At all. He only reaps the benefits. So, no, I suspect we'd do fine.

He's a man who bought his way into his "fame" in both SpaceX and Tesla, he's not an engineer and he's just another techbro billionaire who is flirting with the Alt-Right and Libertarian ideals.

He bought his way in on paypal, also. Musk has done nothing in life but use his father's apartheid era emerald mining money to buy things that made more money for him.

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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Errol Musk emigrated to the USA right after Botha resigned from office.

:thunk:

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
You mean to tell me he's not the real life ~Tony Stark~ he's being worshipping as?

:thunk:

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
He's a South African gem tycoon who's just so happened to invest in things that could be used to cover for massive amounts of money and materials being shuffled around internationally.

The "benefits" of his criminal enterprise is ancillary. He is a thug.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Wasabi the J posted:

He's a South African gem tycoon who's just so happened to invest in things that could be used to cover for massive amounts of money and materials being shuffled around internationally.

The "benefits" of his criminal enterprise is ancillary. He is a thug.

He's also a known associate of some of the biggest cartels in Mexico and they're the target audience for starlink internet and such.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Mr. Nice! posted:

He bought his way in on paypal, also. Musk has done nothing in life but use his father's apartheid era emerald mining money to buy things that made more money for him.

Someone linked this Reddit post “Evidence that Musk is the Chief Engineer of SpaceX” earlier this month and it’s the greatest argument against its own thesis.

quote:

When the third chamber cracked, Musk flew the hardware back to California, took it to the factory floor, and, with the help of some engineers, started to fill the chambers with an epoxy to see if it would seal them. “He’s not afraid to get his hands dirty,” Mueller said. “He’s out there with his nice Italian shoes and clothes and has epoxy all over him. They were there all night and tested it again and it broke anyway.” Musk, clothes ruined, had decided the hardware was flawed, tested his hypothesis, and moved on quickly.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Everyone says that Elon Musk’s daddy was rich from apartheid emerald mines, but that is very unfair.

He was rich from apartheid government construction contracts. The emerald mining was a small side venture.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Defenestrategy posted:

Here's my hot take:


Elon Musk isn't going to help end child hunger or make earth sustainable, or any of that other bullshit, otherwise he'd be doing that instead of loving around with SpaceX, but it is at least feasible the poo poo SpaceX is doing, failures and all, may actually help push advancement in various tech that may help with the aforementioned problems.

He wont. But his money will

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Defenestrategy posted:

Here's my hot take:


Elon Musk isn't going to help end child hunger or make earth sustainable, or any of that other bullshit, otherwise he'd be doing that instead of loving around with SpaceX, but it is at least feasible the poo poo SpaceX is doing, failures and all, may actually help push advancement in various tech that may help with the aforementioned problems.

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that he nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all." John Maynard Keynes

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
All those nazis certainly helped us land on the moon.

Brute Squad
Dec 20, 2006

Laughter is the sun that drives winter from the human race

Grip it and rip it posted:

All those nazis certainly helped us land on the moon.

watching newsreels of your old bosses hanging around can be quite motivating.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
When Bitcoin last crashed in what, 2017 (?), the price was around like 20,000€.

It's currently sitting just shy of 50,000€.


:psyduck:

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Time to buy!

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
numberrrrrrrrrrrr, but say it like a lumberjack says "timber"

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Duzzy Funlop posted:

When Bitcoin last crashed in what, 2017 (?), the price was around like 20,000€.

It's currently sitting just shy of 50,000€.


:psyduck:

It's amazing the poo poo people will buy when they're panicking. I'm waiting for the tether pump to nuke itself, good luck bitcoin.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
AZ/Oxford finally has a good, solid clinical trial that wasn't completely hosed up by communications or bad dosing patterns: it's good!

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1373904880885063685?s=19

Probably gets an EUA in 3-4 weeks.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/lulac-fort-hood-fort-benavidez/

"Last week, after a meeting in Milwaukee, the national council of the League of United Latin American Citizens passed a resolution calling for Fort Hood, the nation’s largest active-duty armored base, to be renamed Fort Benavidez"

This would be a good change.

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ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

PeterCat posted:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/lulac-fort-hood-fort-benavidez/

"Last week, after a meeting in Milwaukee, the national council of the League of United Latin American Citizens passed a resolution calling for Fort Hood, the nation’s largest active-duty armored base, to be renamed Fort Benavidez"

This would be a good change.



That would be awesome. I always hated saying that I was stationed at Ft Hood. The name even sounds ghetto.

Saying I was stationed at Ft Benavidez, then educating people on that bad rear end would be awesome.

stackofflapjacks
Apr 7, 2009

Mmmmm

PeterCat posted:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/lulac-fort-hood-fort-benavidez/

"Last week, after a meeting in Milwaukee, the national council of the League of United Latin American Citizens passed a resolution calling for Fort Hood, the nation’s largest active-duty armored base, to be renamed Fort Benavidez"

This would be a good change.



Here's an article about his MOH actions
https://coffeeordie.com/medal-of-honor-roy-benavidez/?fbclid=IwAR0J0dsZgoIkSLWH27PAZb6v43IaJwjPCY_QisEYgiBpzAVQGpj8efuLfQI

Or the official citation
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients/roy-p-benavidez

The relevant bits

quote:

In October 1964, Benavidez was among the first 125,000 American troops in Vietnam. Working as a military advisory alongside Republic of Vietnam soldiers, he helped train them in American military tactics. One day, while on patrol, he stepped on and triggered a land mine.

quote:

The blast wiped his memory clean, and the paralyzation that ensued made even the simplest movements painful or impossible. He was told he would never walk again. A dark cloud of despair hung over Benavidez as he looked over his broken body and contemplated life in a wheelchair — no longer useful to the Army and a burden on his family. He begged the doctor not to release him from the military, to just give him a little more time to recover.

Benavidez knew he had to take matters into his own hands. One night after the nurses made their rounds, he began to crawl from his bed across the floor of the ward. He only made it a couple of feet in his first attempt. But over the next few months, he slowly rebuilt his strength enough to not be medically discharged. He was given an administrative job.

Benavidez was haunted by the memories of Vietnam, and he wanted to go back — he knew his place was as a frontline soldier, and the war over there was still raging. He quietly devised a plan to join the ranks of the Army’s new elite unit: the Special Forces.

quote:

Less than four years after he was nearly medically discharged from the Army, Benavidez was on his second tour in Loc Ninh province in Vietnam as a Special Forces NCO. Benavidez’s radio call sign was Tango Mike Mike, or That Mean Mexican as his teammates lovingly called him.

This tour was proving to be anything but boring. Three days prior, he had narrowly escaped death yet again thanks to teammate Sergeant First Class Leroy Wright, who managed to keep him from falling off a helicopter as they were exiting a hot helicopter landing zone (HLZ).

quote:

On May 2, 1968, he was off duty and listening to a sermon from the chaplain when he overhead some radio chatter and walked over to the communications stations to see what was going on. A 12-man Special Forces patrol, comprised of three Green Berets and nine Montagnard tribesmen had been surrounded by over 1,000 North Vietnamese infantry. All 12 of the men had suffered serious injuries. Benavidez ran to the helipad to greet the bullet-ridden helicopters that had failed to extract the soldiers.

The door gunner, Specialist 4 Michael Craigs, had been shot several times and fell into Benavidez’s arms. “Oh my god, my mother and father,” were the 19-year-old’s last words.

As Benavidez comforted the distressed pilot, he asked him who was out there.

“It’s that black feller who’s on your team,” said the pilot, referring to Wright.

Without time to go get his rifle, Benavidez boarded a different returning helicopter armed only with his knife and a medical bag — he knew there would be weapons on the ground to use once he got there. All the knowledge he had accrued throughout his rough life and challenging military career kicked in. He descended into the pits of hell for six hours.

quote:

In order to prevent disorientation when he touched down, Benavidez told the pilot to fly out in the direction of the team. As he was dashing toward them, a bullet hit him in the right leg, though he thought it was the prickling of a thorn.

He came to Staff Sergeant Lloyd “Frenchy” Mousseau, who was firing back at the enemy despite having one of his eyes hanging from the socket and wounds to the stomach. A couple of the tribesmen had been killed, and everyone on the team had been wounded in one way or another. Benavidez dragged the injured soldiers into a defensive position and applied medical aid.

quote:

Benavidez carried those too injured to walk to the HLZ while laying down suppressive fire. He knew he couldn’t leave Wright behind, so he ran back into the rampant jungle and found his dead body. As Benavidez dragged Wright’s body toward the helicopter, he was shot in the back. Almost simultaneously, a hand grenade exploded, peppering him with shrapnel and knocking him out.

Benavidez awoke to a greater hell. Unable to carry Wright, he was forced to leave his buddy behind. He made his way to the helicopter only to see the smoldering inferno of the wreckage. The pilot of the helicopter, Warrant Officer Larry McKibbens, had been shot and killed. Fortunately, the other passengers survived.

quote:

Another chopper came in and tried to extract them, but they were shot down, too. The crew survived and joined the rest of the team in their defensive position. One last attempt was made by a new helicopter, manned by a crew of four officers.

“You can either crawl, walk, or drag yourself, but this is the last bird out of here,” Benavidez yelled to his men. He was carrying Mousseau when a North Vietnamese soldier came at him with a bayonet and slashed his arm open. Benavidez took a jaw-breaking hit with the butt of a rifle before reaching down, unsheathing his knife, and stabbing the soldier to death. He then shot two more enemy soldiers who were charging the aircraft.

He was the last one off the battlefield; once aboard the helicopter, his intestines spilled out and he passed out.

He awoke to the distinct zipping of a body bag — he was thought dead. Blood had crusted his eyes shut, he was unable to move his jaw, and he couldn’t move his limbs from all his injuries.

"There is nothing I can do for him,” said the doctor upon looking at his seemingly lifeless and war-ravaged body. As he took a closer look, Benavidez made the luckiest shot of his life. Gathering all of his strength, he spat in the doctor’s face. Laughing, the doctor corrected himself: “I think he’s going to make it.”

quote:

Master Sergeant Roy Benavidez was awarded the Medal of Honor by Ronald Reagan in 1981. He appreciated being called a hero but said, “The real heroes are the ones who gave their lives for this country. The real heroes are our wives and mothers. The real heroes are the ones who are disabled in those VA hospitals. The real heroes are our future leaders who are staying in school and saying no to drugs.”

Benavidez died on Nov. 29, 1998, after dedicating the remainder of his life to causes supporting disabled veterans and instructing children on the importance of staying in school and getting an education.

Edit: forgot the part where he left his rifle behind because there'd be plenty on the ground. Just a medical kit and knife.

stackofflapjacks fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Mar 22, 2021

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Our whateverthefuck handbooks we got in basic training had MoH citations in it and that dude definitely stood out among all of them. And that’s saying a lot because there’s some badass MoH recipients.

Rename this whole shameful country after him imho.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

We had MoH citations lining the halls of the school house in AIT.

There were a few that involved guys literally riding bombs from planes to ensure they would detonate.

It's like if Airborne units were actually as metal as they claim.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
I like bringing him up in stupid stopping power discussions, usually with the point that the Human body can be capable of amazing things.

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

PeterCat posted:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/lulac-fort-hood-fort-benavidez/

"Last week, after a meeting in Milwaukee, the national council of the League of United Latin American Citizens passed a resolution calling for Fort Hood, the nation’s largest active-duty armored base, to be renamed Fort Benavidez"

This would be a good change.





Who would win? A MoH winner who embodies everything we hold dear or 1 thicc traitory boi?

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

ASAPI posted:

We had MoH citations lining the halls of the school house in AIT.

There were a few that involved guys literally riding bombs from planes to ensure they would detonate.

It's like if Airborne units were actually as metal as they claim.

My company history in the 173d included this guy
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients/ray-e-eubanks

At least he died killing the enemy instead of dropping bombs on civilians

e: fixed my phone posting grammar, added news

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1374034057110126592?s=19

ISIS claiming responsibility for bombings and killings in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1373482184481325057?s=19

Afghan news reporting that it's been a real poo poo year for Afghan government forces

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1373300882159370240?s=19

It's also been a real poo poo year for civilians.

The fighting season apparently didn't end with this past winter and continued straight through to this spring.

UP THE BUM NO BABY fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 22, 2021

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
The flu right now is, more or less, not a thing.

https://twitter.com/CDCFlu/status/1374013308550922240

Just goes to show what a monster COVID-19 is, these numbers basically don't exist.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

facialimpediment posted:

The flu right now is, more or less, not a thing.

https://twitter.com/CDCFlu/status/1374013308550922240

Just goes to show what a monster COVID-19 is, these numbers basically don't exist.

COVID IS JUST A REALLY BAD FLU!!!! COVID DEATHS ARE SO HIGH BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BEING REPORTED AS A COVID DEATH!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

bengy81 posted:

COVID IS JUST A REALLY BAD FLU!!!! COVID DEATHS ARE SO HIGH BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BEING REPORTED AS A COVID DEATH!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

I would assume if someone is admitted to the ER with respiratory illness they're tested for covid-19 and influenza, and people admitted to the ER for say, a heart attack aren't being tested?

Honestly curious, I've always assumed that if anything deaths from Covid are gonna be under-reported because if a dude dies at home they're not gonna test a corpse.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

Defenestrategy posted:

I would assume if someone is admitted to the ER with respiratory illness they're tested for covid-19 and influenza, and people admitted to the ER for say, a heart attack aren't being tested?

Honestly curious, I've always assumed that if anything deaths from Covid are gonna be under-reported because if a dude dies at home they're not gonna test a corpse.

I honestly would like to know was well. Because what I posted above has been the idiot talking point I've heard since the first few deaths were reported.
Really excited for the AZ trial to conclude. I've been a participant and I want to know if I got the placebo or if I hosed myself out of a chance at a shot for another two months...

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
The COVID is overblown talk makes zero sense for dozens of reasons but where do these people think the 500k plus dead went to? Are they on a farm paid for by Soros with all the school shooting crisis actors? I mean, gently caress, they probably actually think that.

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

Defenestrategy posted:

I would assume if someone is admitted to the ER with respiratory illness they're tested for covid-19 and influenza, and people admitted to the ER for say, a heart attack aren't being tested?

Honestly curious, I've always assumed that if anything deaths from Covid are gonna be under-reported because if a dude dies at home they're not gonna test a corpse.

Death data tends to be reported at the county level, so there can be 3,000 different reporting mechanisms for primary vs secondary vs teritiary factors in determining cause of death.

IANAD but generally, If someone dies at home and they are not in hospice care, there is an investigation determining cause of death. For covid related deaths it would say something like COD- pneumonia , primary factor - covid19, secondary factory , heart disease

With 600k reporting instances there are likely a few cases where a motorcyclist crashes, they go to the hospital in a coma and in critical condition, catch covid and die of pneumonia, leading to these Facebook conspiracies.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

maffew buildings posted:

The COVID is overblown talk makes zero sense for dozens of reasons but where do these people think the 500k plus dead went to? Are they on a farm paid for by Soros with all the school shooting crisis actors? I mean, gently caress, they probably actually think that.

they didn't die, the media is lying, it's the flu

they don't get much past that level of reasoning

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.

Defenestrategy posted:

I would assume if someone is admitted to the ER with respiratory illness they're tested for covid-19 and influenza, and people admitted to the ER for say, a heart attack aren't being tested?

I had to go to the emergency room for a non-respiratory issue right at the start of this whole mess a year or so ago and they tested me anyway.

I'm not sure if that was a function of the hospital I was at, the early days of the pandemic, an overzealous doctor, or just a broader testing logic in a global pandemic.

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

maffew buildings posted:

The COVID is overblown talk makes zero sense for dozens of reasons but where do these people think the 500k plus dead went to? Are they on a farm paid for by Soros with all the school shooting crisis actors? I mean, gently caress, they probably actually think that.

Just looking at excess mortality data from 2019 to 2020 (all causes of death) puts us about 430k higher than expected. The difference between the 430k excess and the 500k covid reported is probably some combination of

1. Less people getting other infectious diseases due to masks /hand washing
2. Less people on the road = less fatalities
3. Less obvious factors I cant think of, maybe related to heart diaease or suicide

Edit-well it aint suicide.

Sacrist65 fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Mar 22, 2021

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
It's just so cool we live in an era where life has bumper lanes on it so all the people who would already have been dead in days gone by get to scream about Jesus, refuse to wear a mask, draw this out for everyone else and get elected to congress

Active shooter in a grocery store because it's Monday in America https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/03/22/boulder-police-shooting-king-soopers/

maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 22, 2021

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

If it's a consolation, we're well on the way back to any random skin-breaking injury carrying a significant risk of death again

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss
So Italy, which was the first western country to have a COVID outbreak and should have the highest excess mortality in the western world has an excess death rate of about 70% of the US. If we had the same rate as italy, we'd have about 130k fewer deaths in 2020.

So if you need a number to express how much ignorance and mismanagement costs in American lives, the answer is " at least 130k"

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
Looks like someone shot up my old grocery store in Boulder, Co. :(

Edit: or maybe some shirtless guy shot himself in the leg and just scared everyone?

Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Mar 22, 2021

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Grip it and rip it posted:

Looks like someone shot up my old grocery store in Boulder, Co. :(

Edit: or maybe some shirtless guy shot himself in the leg and just scared everyone?

There's early video from the scene with bodies in the parking lot, so it's a bad scene and the question is just going to end up how bad.

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fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Notahippie posted:

There's early video from the scene with bodies in the parking lot, so it's a bad scene and the question is just going to end up how bad.

At least 6 dead so far from what I'm seeing.

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