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I can't imagine how tiresome it must be to have that idiot ringing you up to whinge ineffectually every time something happens.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:11
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big scary monsters posted:Real mystery why the government trying to pass legislation reducing the right to protest and its supporters would claim that the protest against it is ineffective and discredited.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:19
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Why is it every time something gets burned or smashed you get endless streams of people insisting it was planted there to be burned or smashed? Like no you dunderheads sometimes at protests things genuinely get burned or smashed up and the cops sit there going oh gently caress oh poo poo. It’s not always some orchestrated conspiracy, crowds do have power. Also there were multiple other attempts at burning and loving up cop vehicles that were thwarted. Including about ten metres from that van that did get set ablaze, when a group of cops came and put a tyre out with a small fire extinguisher. Just watching a livestream makes it fairly clear this could easily have just happened. Police leave vehicles about all the time in protest environments.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:31
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It doesn't loving matter either. "yOuRe GiViNg ThEm AmMo" like gently caress off, it doesn't matter what actually happens at a protest like this, the media apparatus will find a way to spin the footage to defend the intrenched systems. You're quibbling over property damage when people are fighting back against a force that was salivating about clubbing them half to death.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:36
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OwlFancier posted:I can't imagine how tiresome it must be to have that idiot ringing you up to whinge ineffectually every time something happens. they probly just do 1471 and don't ring him back
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Mar 22, 2021 12:37
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Protests are only viable if they scare the authorities - either via massive overwhelming size or serious disobedience and violence. Burning that police van should be celebrated by anyone who supports the protest and not be forced into this stupid conspiracy theory. If that protest was just a small random crowd in Bristol milling about absolutely no one would give a poo poo, because some fires were set and scuffles broke out the protest actually achieved national coverage and success. The government may actually make meaningful change to legislation if it causes scenes like that where control is lost.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:37
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Grey Hunter posted:Ten years from now Hey now Some of them will be in the House of Lords too
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Mar 22, 2021 12:37
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Flayer posted:Protests are only viable if they scare the authorities - either via massive overwhelming size or serious disobedience and violence. Burning that police van should be celebrated by anyone who supports the protest and not be forced into this stupid conspiracy theory. If that protest was just a small random crowd in Bristol milling about absolutely no one would give a poo poo, because some fires were set and scuffles broke out the protest actually achieved national coverage and success. The government may actually make meaningful change to legislation if it causes scenes like that where control is lost. NO you have to give the police several weeks notice of your intention to protest so they can sort out shifts and that to make sure they can kettle and beat you if you shout too loudly or have a sign with a rude word on it, HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION 
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Mar 22, 2021 12:46
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Eye-witness account of last night in Bristol: https://twitter.com/TweetForTheMany/status/1373944195480743936?s=20
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Mar 22, 2021 13:00
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crispix posted:NO you have to give the police several weeks notice of your intention to protest so they can sort out shifts and that to make sure they can kettle and beat you if you shout too loudly or have a sign with a rude word on it, HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION Filling out forms so I can schedule the slot for my baton beating
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Mar 22, 2021 13:01
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Eye-witness account of last night in Bristol: Yeah, I'm not sure we should quibble about whether it was acceptable to torch a parked van when odds are it was being driven into a crowd of protesters.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:05
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Flayer posted:Protests are only viable if they scare the authorities - either via massive overwhelming size or serious disobedience and violence. Burning that police van should be celebrated by anyone who supports the protest and not be forced into this stupid conspiracy theory. If that protest was just a small random crowd in Bristol milling about absolutely no one would give a poo poo, because some fires were set and scuffles broke out the protest actually achieved national coverage and success. The government may actually make meaningful change to legislation if it causes scenes like that where control is lost. This message was sponsored by the Marinus van der Lubbe International Firebombing Society.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:08
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, I'm not sure we should quibble about whether it was acceptable to torch a parked van when odds are it was being driven into a crowd of protesters. Well obviously the torched one wasn't as it was parked.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:08
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Yeah the torched van was parked outside the police station from the moment the protest got there and had probably been there all day
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Mar 22, 2021 13:17
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Every police van represents a potential protester runner over though if you think about it.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:21
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I dunno, to be honest im always impressed that police sustain injuries after these types of protests, they are so well armed and armoured, how do you even hurt a riot cop, short of throwing molotovs at them. I got a lot of joy out of the gif of the russian protestors throwing endless amounts of snowballs at the riot cops in Jan/Feb this year.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:26
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Flayer posted:Protests are only viable if they scare the authorities - either via massive overwhelming size or serious disobedience and violence. Burning that police van should be celebrated by anyone who supports the protest and not be forced into this stupid conspiracy theory. If that protest was just a small random crowd in Bristol milling about absolutely no one would give a poo poo, because some fires were set and scuffles broke out the protest actually achieved national coverage and success. The government may actually make meaningful change to legislation if it causes scenes like that where control is lost. The truth is that the establishment care more about property than people, so if you want their attention you go for what they care about.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:29
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The Saviour posted:I dunno, to be honest im always impressed that police sustain injuries after these types of protests, they are so well armed and armoured, how do you even hurt a riot cop, short of throwing molotovs at them. Probably falling over a colleague or being struck by a baton by accident.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:29
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The Saviour posted:how do you even hurt a riot cop Catching your mate on the backswing
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Mar 22, 2021 13:29
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The Saviour posted:I dunno, to be honest im always impressed that police sustain injuries after these types of protests, they are so well armed and armoured, how do you even hurt a riot cop, short of throwing molotovs at them.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:33
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I usually go with the can can instead.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:35
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Imagine how much we could achieve if we had a proper party structure run by competent people to co-ordinate protests and other direct action strategically and provide training + support + funding while openly challenging established interests and doing PR work on a public platform. For all its gleeful deployment of its monopoly on power the British state is probably more arrogant and brittle now than ever before. A mass participation militant Party could do real damage if it had the resources. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 13:36
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It's probably like that list of active police killed on duty from a while back that turned out to contain like... cops who died in drunk driving accidents on their way into work or keeled over from heart failure mid-shift.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:39
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peanut- posted:It's probably like that list of active police killed on duty from a while back that turned out to contain like... cops who died in drunk driving accidents on their way into work or keeled over from heart failure mid-shift. My favourite was the one that contained 'toothache'.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:40
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SteelMentor posted:it doesn't matter what actually happens at a protest like this, the media apparatus will find a way to spin the footage 
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Mar 22, 2021 13:41
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I don't see what good an inquiry into covid will do, there's simply nothing we could have done.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:56
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Guavanaut posted:Ian 'Dunt' Dunt, a study. lol
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Mar 22, 2021 13:57
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peanut- posted:It's probably like that list of active police killed on duty from a while back that turned out to contain like... cops who died in drunk driving accidents on their way into work or keeled over from heart failure mid-shift.
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Mar 22, 2021 13:57
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Like all those photos from protests around the world where you have a single masked male protestor leaping in the air in front of riot police with some flames somewhere. Which of course I can't find any now on google (admittedly a cursory look as I'm supposed to be working). (Not including the skateboard guy from last night.)
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Mar 22, 2021 13:57
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sinky posted:I don't see what good an inquiry into covid will do, there's simply nothing we could have done. 'No need for inquiry into COVID handling' say people likely to be implicated by inquiry into COVID handling
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Mar 22, 2021 13:57
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Flayer posted:Protests are only viable if they scare the authorities - either via massive overwhelming size or serious disobedience and violence. Burning that police van should be celebrated by anyone who supports the protest and not be forced into this stupid conspiracy theory. If that protest was just a small random crowd in Bristol milling about absolutely no one would give a poo poo, because some fires were set and scuffles broke out the protest actually achieved national coverage and success. The government may actually make meaningful change to legislation if it causes scenes like that where control is lost. Overwhelming size doesn't scare the authorities any more either, loving hundreds of thousands of people marched on westminster multiple times in 2018-19 protesting against brexit in various ways, and literally nothing happened as a result because protests were polite and decorous and didn't provide any inconvenience to business. They were memory holed before the week had passed.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:11
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thespaceinvader posted:Overwhelming size doesn't scare the authorities any more either, loving hundreds of thousands of people marched on westminster multiple times in 2018-19 protesting against brexit in various ways, and literally nothing happened as a result because protests were polite and decorous and didn't provide any inconvenience to business. Same with the over million people marching against the 2nd Iraq War in 2003.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:17
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Large demonstrations indicate numbers, not power. People doing something which is against the wishes of the ruling class or stopping something from happening which the ruling class wants to happen are demonstrations of power and size is a secondary element of that. Having a big crowd around you when you're pulling down statues obviously really helps but it only needed about 10 people to actually do it.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:18
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If your protest means going where the police tell you to go and doing what the police tell you to do then it's not a protest
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Mar 22, 2021 14:19
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Borrovan posted:Not all of us can do a I totally and utterly reject your expressions of solidarity. Let nobody be in any doubt these are crocodile tears you are crying. For hundreds of years, the rad kick flip community has enjoyed kick flips in front of burning police vans. And today, you have been seen to trample their actions contemptuously unto the mud, you vile goon, you shall be judged guilty!!
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Mar 22, 2021 14:29
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kick-flip, solidarity to the rice-holders ✊
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Mar 22, 2021 14:30
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E: ^^^ lmao somebody make the appropriate "sweating kier choosing between two buttons" comic pleaseRarity posted:If your protest means going where the police tell you to go and doing what the police tell you to do then it's not a protest Tbh for most people the idea of protest extends to maybe signing a change.org petition, or at least liking an instagram story of someone else doing so
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Mar 22, 2021 14:30
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forkboy84 posted:The truth is that the establishment care more about property than people, so if you want their attention you go for what they care about. After the Toxteth riots Michael Heseltine (urban development secretary at the time) got a load of bankers together and drove them round the city, going "look at your investments, now imagine them getting burned to the ground which is what will happen if you don't back us"
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Mar 22, 2021 14:32
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Failed Imagineer posted:Tbh for most people the idea of protest extends to maybe signing a change.org petition, or at least liking an instagram story of someone else doing so I sat in my room for ten minutes thinking really hard about how sad this all is, I contributed
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