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Guavanaut posted:Isolationism and aspirations of national autarky are both dumb as hell, but it's about the one case where you really need to have it not reliant on any other nuclear armed power, regardless of what your normal state of relations is with them, because any global situation where you're even considering using nuclear weapons is not a normal state of relations.
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Guavanaut posted:We really ought to have a fully independent deterrent like France if we're going to have one at all. First read this as us using France as a deterrent. "Go on and invade us, just don't come crying to me when the cheese stench kills your babies."
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The US and France famously two countries which always support each other in conflicts. E: unilaterally might have been a better word to highlight the problem. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 16:39
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*chews on some freedom fries*
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Tesseraction posted:*chews on some freedom fries*
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10th anniversary of the London riots later this year, innit. Wasn't Keith responsible for some of the utterly vicious sentencing that went on afterwards?
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honestly expecting the tories to reintroduce the death penalty soonish and keith to wholeheartedly vote for it.
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kingturnip posted:10th anniversary of the London riots later this year, innit. 40 years since the Brixton, Toxteth, Handsworth (one of my nans was from there!), Chapel Town and Moss Side riots: Wiki posted:From April to July 1981, England suffered serious riots across many major cities. Perceived as race riots between communities,[1] the main motives were related to racial tension and inner city deprivation.[2] The riots were caused by a distrust of the police and authority. The most serious riots that occurred were the Brixton riots in London, the Toxteth riots in Liverpool, the Handsworth riots in Birmingham, the Chapeltown riots in Leeds, and the Moss Side riots in Manchester. There were also a series of less serious riots in other towns and cities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_England_riots From the 1979 riots that swept the UK (well Southall riots at any rate: Anti-Nazi League v National Front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkNu9OxThc Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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nine days until the 31st anniversary of the Poll Tax Riots! Will that be the date of the next largest riot against the cop bill? Probably not, since the 31st of this month is a Wednesday, but if things kick off this weekend, this time next week there'll be some Guardian pundit drawing parallels between the Poll Tax Riots and the Protest Riots or whatever they're gonna be called in the history books.
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Tesseraction posted:
lmao he looks like low rent peter stringfellow
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kingturnip posted:10th anniversary of the London riots Jaeluni Asjil posted:40 years since the Brixton, Toxteth, Handsworth (one of my nans was from there!), Chapel Town and Moss Side riots
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OwlFancier posted:lmao he looks like high rent Ian Beale
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Guavanaut posted:20th anniversary of the riots across parts of the North too. (Bradford/Oldham/Leeds, with the BNP/NF being opportunistic cunts as usual.) Chas and Dave to reform and record "It's Lucky For Glazers When The Year Ends In One". e: Decided to look them up because I couldn't remember which one had died, and - along with the fact that as session musicians they'd played with everyone from Albert Collins to Jerry Lee Lewis - found possibly the most startling piece of trivia I have ever read: quote:The hook of the song on which [Chas] Hodges and [Dave] Peacock played guitar and bass in 1975, Labi Siffre's "I Got The...", was later sampled on Eminem's "My Name Is". goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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I'm getting the feeling it might be easier to just have anniversaries of when there weren't riots.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Chas and Dave to reform and record "It's Lucky For Glazers When The Year Ends In One". And alarm companies. In my twenties I worked for an alarm company. I particularly remember the Brixton riots in 1985 (?) when all the shop alarms were going off like crazy for the best part of a week. Our guys were constantly on call for resets. The company made a lot of money every time there were riots.
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Many thanks to all those involved in 'Podcasting is Praxis', wonderful stuff. 
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OwlFancier posted:lmao he looks like low rent peter stringfellow so peter stringfellow
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17 covid deaths reported today. I know it's always lower on Mondays but still, hopefully a sign that the vaccines are really having an effect now.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:honestly expecting the tories to reintroduce the death penalty soonish and keith to wholeheartedly vote for it. Labour will abstain, and the Tory Lords will eventually block it from passing.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm getting the feeling it might be easier to just have anniversaries of when there weren't riots. For the past 50 years though, there does seem to be more riots in Britain in years ending in a 1 (significantly more if you count the 2011 riots separately by location), next are years ending in a 0 or 5, and the other years have only a couple, disproportionately sport related like the Euro '96 ones and the riots after England lost to France in their first game of the UEFA Euro 2004 group stage lol.
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There are many salty Tories and broadsheet journalists in Scotland tonight. https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1374048253940019201
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This is all down to covid, please stop saying brexit is poo poo x
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why are we exporting salmon to the EU instead of into my mouth
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It'd be a shame if anyone in the press asked why there was such a severe financial impact from Covid compared to countries that didn't horrifically mismanage it. nobody in the press asks ah, well, nevertheless
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peanut- posted:17 covid deaths reported today. I know it's always lower on Mondays but still, hopefully a sign that the vaccines are really having an effect now. The seven day average is a touch over 90 dead a day
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sinky posted:This is all down to covid, please stop saying brexit is poo poo Ireland to UK: No.
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Gort posted:The seven day average is a touch over 90 dead a day Also third month of lockdown, and spring is springing. The drop in deaths *has* been quicker than it was coming out of the first lockdown, even though the weather and kids being back in school work against it, so it's probable that the vaccines are having an effect, but TBH we really won't know until the end of summer if we're really out of it or not.
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Of course the vaccines are having an effect - the entire older half of the adult population of the country have received vaccines that have been shown to be approx 70 percent effective at preventing infection four weeks after the first dose, and near 100% effective at preventing ICU admission and death. You can argue over the magnitude of the effect compared to other factors but it's ridiculous to say there might not be any.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also third month of lockdown, and spring is springing. The drop in deaths *has* been quicker than it was coming out of the first lockdown, even though the weather and kids being back in school work against it, so it's probable that the vaccines are having an effect, but TBH we really won't know until the end of summer if we're really out of it or not. Kids have only been back in school for a fortnight so wouldn't have any impact on death rate yet. The stall/increase in case numbers might be linked to that however.
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The vaccines are great at stopping deaths when people have it. But we're opening school and social venues long before the age groups attending and working in those places will get the vaccines and creating prolonged pressure on the health service as circulation continues which will retain high levels of hospitalisations even if the patients do eventually recover. That'll escalate the risks of more variants being created and spreading which might well become deadlier for the younger age groups or render the current vaccine crop useless against it, more generally the cases spreading will continue to predominantly occupy and degrade the NHS capacity which is totally shot after the waves we've had and long term defunding - without a recovery period the 2021 winter season might still have high excess deaths from non-covid causes as the backlog and lack of recovery time means there's not going to be good times ahead for anyone with a health issue. It might work out, just like the change to vaccine regime to 12 weeks worked out okay but it's very high risk but will absolutely come with a fixed death toll in a best case scenario. So to bang the drum again join a Zero Covid campaign and get a proper strategy in place.
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it's already established that people are just ignoring the rules after getting vaccinated, and Israel already went through this and firmly established it as a cause of their post-vaccination bump in cases. You'll know it's related to schools when the death rate starts creeping upwards again, but it won't be huge, and we might not have any major spikes until we see a variant that can actually put vaccinated people into ICU.
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keep punching joe posted:Labour will abstain, and the Tory Lords will eventually block it from passing. they can't block it though can they the lords can try to persuade Boris Johnson with the power of rational argument, sure, but i mean
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sinky posted:This is all down to covid, please stop saying brexit is poo poo Orban alone doing his best to prop up the UK export market, Johnson's one true friend in Europe. It's astounding how badly they've hosed it, and even once/if the UK eventually normalises trade with the EU again a bunch of those exports aren't coming back. Non-UK producers elsewhere will have increased production, purchasers will have made arrangements with them, retailers will have rearranged their supply chains. They're going to need a good reason to swap back to UK products again and having a British flag on the packaging probably isn't enough. e: I can't say it's necessarily due to the decrease in Scottish salmon exports, but Norwegian salmon exports for the first ten weeks of the year are up ~20% on 2020, and I suppose having your biggest competitor in Europe more or less entirely drop out of the market doesn't hurt there. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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The coronavirus vaccine feels vaguely like a pension. Sure, I'll get it soon... only x time units from now! *x/2 time units later* Sorry, it's been delayed *repeats*
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AstraZeno's paradox.big scary monsters posted:They're going to need a good reason to swap back to UK products again and having a British flag on the packaging probably isn't enough.  Has any more been said about the CPTPP or is that another thing Johnson just made up and we're building a bridge to *checks notes* Brunei?
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jaete posted:The coronavirus vaccine feels vaguely like a pension. Sure, I'll get it soon... only x time units from now! This is why you ALWAYS reserve time units, otherwise you'll step around a corner, bump into a Chrysalid, and before you know it you've got 3 survivors evacuating on the Skyranger with the other 11 dead and everyone starts pulling funding because you just let Rio get eaten
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It's pretty grim seeing Europe moving back into lockdown, just as we're shifting into moving out of it. It's looking to me very much like the pace of the vaccine rollout here is going to allow us a pretty normal summer, whereas much of Europe is still going to be stuck in restrictions. I think that the panic and hot language about banning vaccine exports etc from some European leaders is genuinely felt and one reason for that is the political carnage that's looming as their electorates get a change to register their fury through the ballot box.
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I hope that doesn't cause a rise in fash, there's already growing Qult influence in Germany and the Netherlands seems to have the English Tory effect going on where no matter how much poo poo their lovely right wing parties poo poo on people they still remain popular.
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Maugrim posted:Of course the vaccines are having an effect - the entire older half of the adult population of the country have received vaccines that have been shown to be approx 70 percent effective at preventing infection four weeks after the first dose, and near 100% effective at preventing ICU admission and death. You can argue over the magnitude of the effect compared to other factors but it's ridiculous to say there might not be any. And I did in fact say that the vaccines were probably having an effect based on a comparison with the end of the last lockdown (hospitalisation rates are also dropping quicker than last year), just that it's impossible to know exactly how effective they'll be over the entire population until after the summer, because last summer with no vaccine and only pretty mild social distancing rules we stayed at double-figure deaths all the way until September (which is of course why the rush is on to get at least first jabs into everyone by July). In particular we still don't know with certainty what effect AZ has on preventing hospitalisation and death in over-65s and that's the majority of those who have received first doses (second doses are still only in the over-80s and healthcare workers) and while it's relatively safe to assume protection declines linearly with age, like it does with the other vaccines, it's still not proven.
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Guavanaut posted:I hope that doesn't cause a rise in fash, there's already growing Qult influence in Germany and the Netherlands seems to have the English Tory effect going on where no matter how much poo poo their lovely right wing parties poo poo on people they still remain popular. Somebody scrawled "Great Replacement" on a FvD (the "Geert Wilders is too soft" party) poster down the road, and I don't think they were antifa worried about being replaced by gammons 
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