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SWORD in general is an out of nowhere favorite. Whiz Kid. 
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Words never spoken until 2021: Gee, I can't wait to see what Fabian Cortez is going to do next!
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Mar 19, 2021 17:32
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Gaz-L posted:...that makes no sense given Iceman counts and he literally does. He ain't making things colder than absolute zero. I mean, I'm just referring to the actual text so take your logic up with Hickman.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:38
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How Wonderful! posted:Words never spoken until 2021: Gee, I can't wait to see what Fabian Cortez is going to do next! I actually burst out laughing at this. Ewing is shaping up to be one of my favorite writers ever.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:44
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Gaz-L posted:...that makes no sense given Iceman counts and he literally does. He ain't making things colder than absolute zero. I had to look it up and the specific text is "do they have an upper limit that can be surpassed? If no, they're omega." And technically, Iceman's upper limit of absolute zero can't be surpassed. By himself or anyone else  But also scale and reach of that power would matter more.
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Mar 19, 2021 20:31
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Gaz-L posted:...that makes no sense given Iceman counts and he literally does. He ain't making things colder than absolute zero. He'll make those molecules stop vibrating so hard, they vibrate in reverse!
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Mar 19, 2021 20:44
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Endless Mike posted:He'll make those molecules stop vibrating so hard, they vibrate in reverse! Ice man using his power to reverse entropy, rewind time, and change the past from a particular point sounds like some perfect bullshit nonsense for marvel to pull one day
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Mar 19, 2021 21:10
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Harold Fjord posted:Ice man using his power to reverse entropy, rewind time, and change the past from a particular point sounds like some perfect bullshit nonsense for marvel to pull one day gently caress it, makes as much sense as when the Flash does it.
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Mar 19, 2021 21:24
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What does "no upper limit" actually mean? Cause pretty much every Omega does the whole "trying to do something too crazy with my powers will make me pass out or have a stroke" thing in order to keep some semblance of tension. That seems like a pretty hard limit to me.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:22
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I thought Hickman redefined what "Omega-level mutant" meant to mean that what they do can't be surpassed by any non-mutant being
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Mar 19, 2021 22:25
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galagazombie posted:What does "no upper limit" actually mean? Cause pretty much every Omega does the whole "trying to do something too crazy with my powers will make me pass out or have a stroke" thing in order to keep some semblance of tension. That seems like a pretty hard limit to me. The Hulk has no upper limit on how strong he can be.
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Mar 20, 2021 00:50
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TBH I don't even really understand what Hickman's Omega level isquote:...a mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register—or reach— an indefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification. How do you deem that someone has reached an indefinable level of power?
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Mar 20, 2021 01:31
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Look at all the flatscans trying to understand glorious mutant biology.
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Mar 20, 2021 03:01
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Alaois posted:I thought Hickman redefined what "Omega-level mutant" meant to mean that what they do can't be surpassed by any non-mutant being That's what I got from it, especially as the case he uses as the example is Forge vs Reed Richards or Tony Stark.
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Mar 20, 2021 03:14
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Beerdeer posted:Lila Cheney has a minimum limit. She can only teleport interstellar distances. Magik could theoretically go anywhere using Limbo as a stepping stone. I’d call them both pretty Omega Is there still only one Limbo for the entire multiverse? Does Illyana occasionally bump into alt reality versions of herself?
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Mar 20, 2021 03:27
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I've been reading a lot of early 2000s X-Men this weekend - Morrison's New X-Men and Austen's Uncanny X-Men, mostly. I'm sure this isn't a new take but Austen is a terrible writer who couldn't write a realistic woman to save his life. Also, instead of writing a borderline pedophilic relationship and having characters comment on how creepy it is, you could simply not do that. Morrison's run on New X-Men was a lot of fun but I'm relatively sure Austen's next run on X-Men is about to destroy any residual good feelings I have about Xorn. I feel like Hickman is drawing pretty heavily on some of the characters and motifs that Morrison contributed and reading the issue that Giant Size Emma Frost and Jean Grey is referencing made it really click for me.
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Mar 22, 2021 04:22
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Austen writes like two issues and then you have Joss Whedon's Astonishing, which is a decent book even if Whedon is a terrible human being. John Cassady artwork.
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Mar 22, 2021 04:33
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Oh yeah, here's Havok learning about 9/11
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Mar 22, 2021 04:35
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Genosha is like 40 times worse than 9/11 in the 616.
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Mar 22, 2021 04:40
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Skwirl posted:Austen writes like two issues and then you have Joss Whedon's Astonishing, which is a decent book even if Whedon is a terrible human being. John Cassady artwork. Yeah Astonishing is really good, and was unfortunately written by Whedon. There was a lot of good stuff in that run.
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Mar 22, 2021 06:00
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Skwirl posted:Genosha is like 40 times worse than 9/11 in the 616. Doom only cried for the first one.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:52
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You know I’ve heard about genosha a bunch through the years but I’ve never actually read its fall/destruction. What run was that?
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Mar 22, 2021 15:17
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:You know I’ve heard about genosha a bunch through the years but I’ve never actually read its fall/destruction. What run was that? Morrison's run. New X-Men #115. Fair warning: for as consequential as it ends up being for the X-Men, the destruction of Genosha is literally just 4 pages. As someone who didn't read it until much later, I found Morrison's run, or at least the intiial half, shockingly compressed in terms of storytelling.
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Mar 22, 2021 15:28
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It's basically Cassandra revealing what she's done then Emma in her classroom and then getting dragged out of the aftermath in diamond form, right?
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Mar 22, 2021 16:16
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Gaz-L posted:It's basically Cassandra revealing what she's done then Emma in her classroom and then getting dragged out of the aftermath in diamond form, right? Pretty much. As OKS says the immediate event is extremely brief.
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Mar 22, 2021 16:18
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There's also panels of Xavier wearing Cerebra and in pain as number goes down
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Mar 22, 2021 16:39
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That scene is why I appreciated Hickman having Emma's reaction to Krakoa initially be "What the gently caress you morons, we tried this and I still have PTSD flashbacks!"
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Mar 22, 2021 19:13
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I mean, do we want the destruction of Genosha to take up more pages, it's a loving horrible thing. Would it be better if there was 12 pages covering the genocide of 16 million people?
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Mar 22, 2021 19:14
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There are good scenes later in the run that revisit the site of Genosha and how to do mourning on a culture-wide scale but yeah the actual attack is handled briefly, although I think very effectively. It comes out of nowhere and is over before we or the characters have a chance to really process the scale of the loss involved.   
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Mar 22, 2021 19:49
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God drat Frank Quitely is a really good artist.
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Mar 22, 2021 19:53
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The population count going from a large number that mentally reads as "a whole lot" to a completely visualizable 3-digit number - in a matter of minutes - is absolutely chilling.
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Mar 22, 2021 20:01
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Flying a giant fist into Magneto's face is inspired
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Mar 22, 2021 20:07
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Reminder that the issue came out in August 2001.
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Mar 22, 2021 20:23
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Open Marriage Night posted:Reminder that the issue came out in August 2001. Boy it makes sense that they would do a tragedy of that scale before 9/11 and not afterwards. I was wondering why they would do such a mass genocide in the comics post 9/11.
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Mar 23, 2021 10:41
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Hell, X-Force #4 has Juggernaut destroy part of the World Trade Center. That was a real uncomfortable re-read.
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Mar 23, 2021 12:34
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rantmo posted:Hell, X-Force #4 has Juggernaut destroy part of the World Trade Center. That was a real uncomfortable re-read. The crimson gem of cyttorak can't melt steel beams.
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Mar 23, 2021 13:08
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Around that time there was some weirdness at DC during the Invasion storyline where Lex used two, well, twin skyscrapers in Metropolis to shoot at aliens. (I'm sure it was written well before 9/11 but we got calls of 'did DC have Lex destroy the Towers?' at the store.)
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Mar 23, 2021 13:47
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thetoughestbean posted:Boy it makes sense that they would do a tragedy of that scale before 9/11 and not afterwards. I was wondering why they would do such a mass genocide in the comics post 9/11. I have very vague memories of some uncomfortable “Did Grant Morrison predict 9/11” articles around the time.
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Mar 23, 2021 14:14
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morrison's new x-men actually turns 20 years old on the 16th of may, this year is almost exactly as far from  as it is from 
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New X-Men #115 (with the destruction of Genosha) actually went on sale on July 11, 2001 (cover dated August). Two comics that came out on September 12, 2001 were the previously alluded to Adventures of Superman #596 that featured this establishing shot:  (the actual LexTowers got their tops blown off when they were converted into a giant space cannon(?) a few weeks earlier in Action Comics#782) The fourth issue of the Ennis/Dillon Marvel Knights Punisher series also went on sale on 9/12/2001, featuring a rogue military contractor whose plan was to "crash a 747 full of commandos into the current meeting of European leaders in Brussels." Frank uses a grenade launcher to blow up one of its engines and so the book ends with a 747 crashing into a much smaller local building instead. There were a bunch of other comics that came out a couple of months before or after 9/11 that sparked a whole "superhero comics have come to a reckoning about mass casualty/damage plot points" that I don't think amounted to much of anything, looking at the past twenty years of comics.
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