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The traditional interpretation is that P3 MC is a hardened sociopath.
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PMush Perfect posted:As well as several of the most heartbreaking. The only one that I found truly heartbreaking so far is Haru (although inevitably having to let Kasumi down easy is probably gonna be hard as well) Honestly the number of romances where the girl is completely clueless about romance is kinda weird. Obviously Futaba is gonna fall in that category, and all of the appropriately-aged romances have character-based reasons for being that way, plus there’s Chihaya, who is an adult that acts basically like the others when you romance her. She’s not quite in the “stop it you’re twice his age Jesus” category with Doc, Teach, and Ace Reporter. It just feels really weird that there seems to be absolutely no gap between “oh dear I’ve never kissed a boy before” and “look you can’t tell anyone about this until you’re 18 now come to my apartment”. Fully 50% of the relationships are with someone who has basically never spent any time with someone of the opposite gender who treats them like a human being. Also in more specific complaints the difference between the last level of the link with Futaba confirmed my belief that romancing her is bad. in the romance scene she goes to Akihabara completely without you but then basically backslides into “please never leave me” which seems to make her desire to actually exist out in the world fall by the wayside. In the friendship scene you go with her to Akihabara, but she goes off on her own and forgets the time because she’s actually getting more comfortable being on her own. Joker getting into a relationship with her seems like it might hurt her in the long run, and honestly feels kind of like you’re taking advantage. It also feels weird given how the game sort of positions you as honorary siblings.
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Mar 23, 2021 07:48
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Harrow posted:Royal is going to make even this look small because of a combination of two features. First, Ryuji has a confidant ability that lets you instakill Shadows you sprint into in Mementos if you're stronger than they are, and the requirement there is not as high as you'd think. I may or may not have intentionally rushed Ryuji's Social Link to get Insta-Kill before completing Madarame's Palace.  However, I'm getting mixed results trying to trigger it in the Palace. I make sure via Third Eye that the Shadow is green, then I try to sprint into it. Half the time it triggers, half the time I end up running past the Shadow and triggering the alarm instead. Is there something I'm missing when I try to use this skill?
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Mar 23, 2021 08:36
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The green and blue borders look really similar sometimes, they might actually be blue. Also make sure you run into them dead-center without stopping.
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Mar 23, 2021 09:48
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Honestly I don't even really try using it in Palaces. It's much easier to use in Mementos, where as long as you're sprinting it'll trigger (either if you drive into the Shadow or press X to ram them).
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Mar 23, 2021 13:59
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Don't you instant kill super weak Shadows in vanilla P5 if you ambush then with the car? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening, but I don't remember if it was a Confidant perk or not.
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Mar 23, 2021 14:03
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You did, but it basically only worked in Mementos and all you got was a a random mask for Joker - no xp, money or items.
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Mar 23, 2021 14:06
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Yeah it basically ended up that getting Insta-Kill was a nerf since you don't get rewards (but in honesty, the rewards you would have gotten are meager at that point anyway if they're weak enough to Insta-Kill them).
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Mar 23, 2021 14:14
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DC Murderverse posted:The only one that I found truly heartbreaking so far is Haru (although inevitably having to let Kasumi down easy is probably gonna be hard as well)
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Mar 23, 2021 16:01
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PMush Perfect posted:I was talking about the heartbreaking scenes you get for cheating on the P4 girls, not for rejecting the P5 ones. I saw a few posts that said you can date Marie and another girl and that doesn't count as cheating? Or is that wrong?
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Mar 23, 2021 16:39
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I saw a few posts that said you can date Marie and another girl and that doesn't count as cheating? Or is that wrong?
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Mar 23, 2021 16:52
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DC Murderverse posted:The only one that I found truly heartbreaking so far is Haru (although inevitably having to let Kasumi down easy is probably gonna be hard as well) Chihaya is like 2 or 3 years older than Joker, as opposed to more like 10 for Tae, Kawakami and Ohya.
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Mar 24, 2021 05:21
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I've always interpreted the P3MC's lack of... oomph as a side effect of having Death gestate in his subconscious for over a decade. Ryoji literally sucked up his personality. Alternate option: Maybe he's just a quiet kid and everyone else around him is so self-absorbed that they've taken his silence as support? Man I don't know. Who was he living with before he was moved to the SEES dorms? Has he just been moudering in a cupboard somewhere??
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Mar 24, 2021 05:47
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I think the idea was the persona 3 MC was a cipher; it took the idea of 'wearing masks' and having different personas to what it actually means, and he kinda just enabled whoever he was talking to. I'd be happy if P6 had a non-silent protagonist, even if it was like a Fallout game where we just got to pick more dialogue options as opposed to being a wholly independent character.
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Mar 24, 2021 05:55
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It makes me laugh that both of the Nijima sisters appear to be better actors than Ann. I would kill to see Ann attempt improv comedy.Acerbatus posted:Chihaya is like 2 or 3 years older than Joker, as opposed to more like 10 for Tae, Kawakami and Ohya. I sort of assumed like, 21-22, assuming she’d left her home after high school and spent a couple of years telling fortunes and scamming people for a cult
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Mar 24, 2021 06:56
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Huh, didn't know Takemi was romanceable. Kinda creepy when you think about it.
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Mar 24, 2021 08:50
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anakha posted:Kinda creepy when you think about it.
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Mar 24, 2021 08:54
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LOL, I'm still in early June in-game. That just means a lot more hilarity to come.
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Mar 24, 2021 09:00
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So November. That was a good rear end Palace. Also HUGE NOVEMBER SPOILERS SERIOUSLY I MEAN IT. ballsballsballsballsballsballs ballsballsballs Ya know, I did see the twist coming, but I have to admit, I marked out
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Mar 24, 2021 10:30
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anakha posted:Huh, didn't know Takemi was romanceable. Kinda creepy when you think about it. You have to get the exact right answers though in the 9th confidant event or she'll reject you. Playing some more of P3 FES, it's absolutely hilarious taking Elizabeth round the mall. 
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Mar 24, 2021 10:37
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RillAkBea posted:You have to get the exact right answers though in the 9th confidant event or she'll reject you.
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Mar 24, 2021 10:53
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This is old news but the Cutting Room Floor has really interesting cut content. Also some funny things. TCRF posted:Disguise as a gigolo. Usable when Sex Appeal is at "Dripping".
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Mar 24, 2021 23:28
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Acerbatus posted:This is old news but the Cutting Room Floor has really interesting cut content. I’m... not entirely sure what any of this post relates to but it sounds magical
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Mar 24, 2021 23:37
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December spoilers: i thought I had already spoiled myself on the ending completely but man Akechi being Shido’s kid shocked me. I think the song that played during the Shido battles was underwhelming. I know there’s a little more to go but it felt like it was trying to be final-boss-epic but wasn’t mixed quite right. And Ryuji’s near-death was exhilarating, even if I knew he was gonna be ok. He got his big hero moment! I also think I ship Ann/Ryuji now, her reaction to his sacrifice was touching and I just like the two of them together. Also more generally it’s been fun to track my feelings towards Akechi as the game has gone on Introduction: oh look a cute little Sherlock Holmes-y rival who clearly has something going on because he can hear Morgana Through the first half of the social link: oh man it’s a real shame they don’t get to fall in love so Akechi has to hunt down the one person who has ever truly understood him After Futaba’s palace: maybe he turns evil because everyone gives up on him and cheers for the thieves and that makes him crazy After Ohmura’s palace: hmm, maybe my initial thoughts weren’t right, I know he joins the party eventually maybe he realizes that the phantom thieves are good and teams up School Festival: it’s weird that Makoto is so unsure of whether he will come to our festival me and him are besties and he so obviously knows who we are After the 7th/8th social links: oh he hates me lol you whiny bitch I know you’re gonna gently caress us over November: oh man he’s an actual factual sociopath, I thought I was Hannibal and he was Will Graham but I think it must be the other way around December: his brain is completely broken in ways I did not expect he’s like a loving Batman villain he’s a golem of hate of course he’s Loki he’s killed dozens of people are we really supposed to think he’s not beyond saving? What the gently caress game? How do people ship this maniac with anyone? In a game where most of the characters don’t have that many layers beyond a general sense of “hiding my true self” and/or “adults hosed me up,” Akechi is like a giant insecure onion.
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Mar 25, 2021 01:17
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Well, Loki is kind of like an ogre...
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Mar 25, 2021 01:42
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DC Murderverse posted:December: his brain is completely broken in ways I did not expect he’s like a loving Batman villain he’s a golem of hate of course he’s Loki he’s killed dozens of people are we really supposed to think he’s not beyond saving? What the gently caress game? How do people ship this maniac with anyone? Surely you have been on the internet long enough to know the answer to this question.
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Mar 25, 2021 01:43
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DC Murderverse posted:December spoilers: 
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Mar 25, 2021 01:50
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Internet’s gonna internet. To dig up the bar that’s so low that it’s underground, I still prefer that ship over all the shipping that happened with (Persona 4 spoilers) Adachi. At least Akechi’s the same age as the protagonist.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:00
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Also it helps that Akechi basically proposes to Joker in rank 8 by saying you are the only person I have ever felt this way about, and just in general that choosing the right options there and on the ship shows that Joker actually was helping Akechi be less insane. To be fair that was by focusing on his rivalry with Joker, but it’s certainly the healthiest relationship Akechi has ever had. Also so many of the confidant scenes (added in Royal) ooze tension out of every pore because Atlus realised they’d struck gold in terms of that sort of romance fan. Personally, I support the ship in question from the interesting story angle more than anything. It helps that there’s a truly incredible duet sung by Akechi and Joker’s voice actors that sums up their entire deal super well. I might link it after you’re done with the game.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:07
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People have been shipping Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty long before Persona 5 was even a glint in Atlus' eye. It is no surprise that so many people latched on to something similar.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:09
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Hunt11 posted:Surely you have been on the internet long enough to know the answer to this question. Oh yeah I know that’s the actual answer but honestly I expected that to make more sense as the story went along but honestly it makes less
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Mar 25, 2021 02:14
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Question about December: I know for most of the palaces, when you are in the period between getting to the end of the palace and sending out the calling card you can’t do party member confidants. Does that apply here?
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Mar 25, 2021 02:27
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In terms of the non-shipping stuff Akechi likely got his powers when he was 11-13, and then went to Shido with some vague plan of getting close enough to destroy his hated father. Shido then took a child and manipulated him into being a killer for Shido’s conspiracy to rule Japan. Likely Shido was overseeing Wakaba Isshiki (Futaba’s mother) research and when approached by a child that claimed such powers and presumably proved them in some manner decided to have Wakaba killed so only Shido could benefit from the Metaverse. Akechi killed, but he was a child, Shido is the one who led him to being a killer. Notably the Phantom Thieves do not forgive him, they just don’t want him dead because they’re moral people. Also yeah, the Moriarty and Holmes rivalry does a lot for it.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:28
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Unlucky7 posted:Question about December: I know for most of the palaces, when you are in the period between getting to the end of the palace and sending out the calling card you can’t do party member confidants. Does that apply here? I think it still does. Usually the only time it does not apply to is the November Palace due to plot reasons.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:32
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DC Murderverse posted:Also in more specific complaints the difference between the last level of the link with Futaba confirmed my belief that romancing her is bad. in the romance scene she goes to Akihabara completely without you but then basically backslides into “please never leave me” which seems to make her desire to actually exist out in the world fall by the wayside. In the friendship scene you go with her to Akihabara, but she goes off on her own and forgets the time because she’s actually getting more comfortable being on her own. Joker getting into a relationship with her seems like it might hurt her in the long run, and honestly feels kind of like you’re taking advantage. It also feels weird given how the game sort of positions you as honorary siblings. is it ok to romance her specifically because you want Sojiro to be your dad
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Mar 25, 2021 16:09
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Is hard worth it for a first playthrough in P5? I wanted to have combat strategy mean more but it seems like Morgana gets consistently one-shot by midboss/stronger shadows using their special physical attacks. I tried just having him defend except when there was a status on the enemy, but if he acts and they recover he just gets one shotted  Does stuff like this continue in hard difficulty as you get farther in, or will damage get less swingy as party members level up?
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Mar 25, 2021 20:44
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Only very slightly, in that you need to remember to keep up attack debuffs and defence buffs more. In the 6th palace when the boss starts spamming Almighty attacks, Joker got oneshot so I had to either grind or drop the difficulty.
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Mar 25, 2021 20:46
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It becomes less of an issue (the first palace is the hardest due to a lack of resources and options). I'd suggest using more buffs and debuffs for midbosses, and maybe swapping to merciless (it increases damage when hitting weaknesses across the board, both for you and for enemies, so maybe it actually makes it easier for you if you prioritise strategising?)
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GCValentine posted:Is hard worth it for a first playthrough in P5? I wanted to have combat strategy mean more but it seems like Morgana gets consistently one-shot by midboss/stronger shadows using their special physical attacks. I tried just having him defend except when there was a status on the enemy, but if he acts and they recover he just gets one shotted I don't remember Morgana being that fragile, but as the game progresses you will unlock skills that let you swap party members in battle, and other things that might mitigate the issue, like buffs/debuffs. Really you shouldn't be too worried about characters dieing except for really special attacks, or getting hit by weaknesses. That said I thought hard was a good fair challenge, but I have like 5 p3 clears, and 4 p4 clears by the time 5 came out.
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