GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Did you miss the entire storyline of the Reiss family? A bloodline that ruled the world through brutal oppression and literally eating people? These are literally tropes that have been used against Jews for centuries. Never mind the mindless, giant nosed caricatures that consume everything in their path or Marleyans allowing "the good ones" to fight for their facist government etc.

Even if Isayama was using all the bad Jewish tropes in the world to say "See this is a bad thing that is done to them" he's doing it in the worst way possible.

Turin Turambar posted:

My hot take, also called 'Occam's Razor' argument:
I doubt Isayama has any anti-Jewish intentions, because in fact I doubt he has even known Jewish people, religion or culture personally. He is a Japan man who lives in Japan. The average Japanese knows barely a few things about Jews (if any at all!), with the source of information being a few Hollywood movies. Hell, I doubt there is any special pro- or anti- jewish movements or views in Japan in the first place. They are just a too small minority in the first place to even have an opinion of them. Even Christianity is a minority in Japan, same as Islamism.

People who does dumb takes as believing AoT is anti-jewish are forgetting that Japan is not USA, is not Europe or Russia or Middle East. They are forgetting how big is the world. Without the historical context, without the religion factor, etc, the same conditions for anti-jewish sentiments are almost impossible to take root. So your average Asiatic person isn't going to give three fucks about jews in the first place.

It's like some dumb takes I've read about race in x manga or anime, because some dumb American see everything through the race optics. In reality in at least a good amount of Asia they care much, much less about race, by virtue of the vast majority being the same race. On the other hand, they care much more about nationalism, both China, Korea and Japan are big into nationalism historically and all their past conflict. Some adaption change a character's skin color? Whatever. They change him from Chinese to Korean? Oh boy...

Turin Turambar posted:

My hot take, also called 'Occam's Razor' argument:
I doubt Isayama has any anti-Jewish intentions, because in fact I doubt he has even known Jewish people, religion or culture personally. He is a Japan man who lives in Japan. The average Japanese knows barely a few things about Jews (if any at all!), with the source of information being a few Hollywood movies. Hell, I doubt there is any special pro- or anti- jewish movements or views in Japan in the first place. They are just a too small minority in the first place to even have an opinion of them. Even Christianity is a minority in Japan, same as Islamism.

People who does dumb takes as believing AoT is anti-jewish are forgetting that Japan is not USA, is not Europe or Russia or Middle East. They are forgetting how big is the world. Without the historical context, without the religion factor, etc, the same conditions for anti-jewish sentiments are almost impossible to take root. So your average Asiatic person isn't going to give three fucks about jews in the first place.



It's like some dumb takes I've read about race in x manga or anime, because some dumb American see everything through the race optics. In reality in at least a good amount of Asia they care much, much less about race, by virtue of the vast majority being the same race. On the other hand, they care much more about nationalism, both China, Korea and Japan are big into nationalism historically and all their past conflict. Some adaption change a character's skin color? Whatever. They change him from Chinese to Korean? Oh boy...

Alan_Shore posted:

lol you literally mentioned "blood libel" which as I showed was a dumb lie that Jews put Christian children's blood into their food. You say that's exactly the same thing as a family passing down their magic powers by the children eating the parent. Are you sure about this? Are you absolutely sure?

You then post a picture of about 16 titans, one of which has a big nose, as some kind of gotcha? For real?


I've heard that the education in Japan of WW2 etc is not... the best. It's entirely possible Isayama is actually thinking of the way the Japanese put Chinese into camps and forced them to wear armbands. I don't know. I'd love an interview from him talking about it, but maybe no one has asked because it's dumb.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Most of the titans are anti Semitic Jewish caricatures, including those in that picture, not just one with a big nose. Hairy, exaggerated features, constantly consuming mindlessly, aliens from outside but [i]your neighbor could secretly be one[i]. These are all tropes that have been used against Jews literally for centuries.

Yeah, blood libel is a loving lie, no poo poo genius. Putting blood of children into rice gruel (reiss). The alegory was laid out in the 2019 season when it was revealed that Eldians are basically Jews. He's not even trying to be clever about it.

It also doesn't help the picture of him leaning into fascism by making beloved character Dot Pixis based on Imperial General Akiyama Yoshifuru who slaughtered Koreans under the occupation.

JahRoo posted:

Did you actually watch the show or did you read the polygon article and then work yourself into a frenzy

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Most of the titans are anti Semitic Jewish caricatures, including those in that picture, not just one with a big nose. Hairy, exaggerated features, constantly consuming mindlessly, aliens from outside but [i]your neighbor could secretly be one[i]. These are all tropes that have been used against Jews literally for centuries.

Yeah, blood libel is a loving lie, no poo poo genius. Putting blood of children into rice gruel (reiss). The alegory was laid out in the 2019 season when it was revealed that Eldians are basically Jews. He's not even trying to be clever about it.

It also doesn't help the picture of him leaning into fascism by making beloved character Dot Pixis based on Imperial General Akiyama Yoshifuru who slaughtered Koreans under the occupation.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Pretty much no one is 'good'. They are all at this point fascist ideologues who are wanting to rule the world for their own perceived righteousness while innocent people die by the hundreds if not thousands.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

constantly consuming mindlessly

Eustace posted:

drat thats wild. I wonder what Isayama means by that?

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

It also doesn't help the picture of him leaning into fascism by making beloved character Dot Pixis based on Imperial General Akiyama Yoshifuru who slaughtered Koreans under the occupation.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Pretty much no one is 'good'. They are all at this point fascist ideologues who are wanting to rule the world for their own perceived righteousness while innocent people die by the hundreds if not thousands.

Eustace posted:

drat thats wild. I wonder what Isayama means by that?

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Pretty much no one is 'good'. They are all at this point fascist ideologues who are wanting to rule the world for their own perceived righteousness while innocent people die by the hundreds if not thousands.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Pretty much no one is 'good'. They are all at this point fascist ideologues who are wanting to rule the world for their own perceived righteousness while innocent people die by the hundreds if not thousands.

Eustace posted:

drat thats wild. I wonder what Isayama means by that?

JahRoo posted:

dipwood posted:

You could just ignore these people and move on. Seems like clear trolling to me.

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Most of the titans are anti Semitic Jewish caricatures,

MonsterEnvy posted:

They were based on drunk people.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

That doesn't really work either, for the usual reason: 99% of the plot is Eldians fighting other Eldians (even if they're not always aware of it.)

I do think it's a little strange that the Eldian power is inherited, and that that fantastical element kind of lends itself to some weird takes if you try to take AoT as allegory*. There's some tenuous resemblance between every Eldian being inherently linked to this latent power and the notion of an organic nation, something which in real life is utter nonsense but features prominently in nationalist propaganda of all kinds.

MonsterEnvy posted:

It should be noted Eldia was not composed of just Eldians. We know there were chunk of asians from the Azumabito family, that came to the walls. And a good chunk of the walls nobility were non eldians as the founding Titan's memory wipe did not work on them, and so they were given positions of power as a bribe to not dispel the lie that the Walls were all that remained of humanity.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

He never served in Korea. Polygon should be fired into the sun

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

This becomes even clearer when you look at pretty much any of the shows villains, all of whom are characterized by their incredibly hosed up responses to this guilt, whether it's Zeke's longing for ethnic suicide, Floch's gleeful embrace of empire, or Eren's disavowal of responsibility as he continues to commit further atrocities.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

He never served in Korea. Polygon should be fired into the sun

Vanderdeath posted:

The one thing that sticks in my craw is that Attack on Titan got this label yet Fullmetal Alchemist is beloved, despite its rather loving unfortunate handling of a Middle Eastern coded ethnic cleansing by a dude literally called the Fuhrer. I like FMA but I've wondered how it's managed to not catch smoke over the Ishval.