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Soviet Commubot posted:The Front Range really is fairly narrow. If you go 30 mins east of the city limits of Denver, Colorado Springs or Pueblo it turns into Kansas really quick. Strange choice for the Slavic languages, given that Kuznets means Smith and Kuznetsov is a very common last name.
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Do you mean Russian because at least some of the other slavic languages are fairly accurate.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Just checked and there are about 220 people with Smed as their last name in Sweden. Ive certainly never heard it spoken as a name in my life. Those are actually kind of "occupational", since people with only a patronymic would often take a new surname when they became a journeyman. Probably most of Lindqvist, Bergström, etc can be traced to such hantverkarnamn (craftman's name).
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Soviet Commubot posted:The Front Range really is fairly narrow. If you go 30 mins east of the city limits of Denver, Colorado Springs or Pueblo it turns into Kansas really quick. I think the Dutch one is about rights. There are other spellings of that name such as "de Smit" and I think also "de Smet", that one is more common in Flanders. The funny thing is that the modern spelling of the name of the actual job is 'smid' with a d.
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Carbon dioxide posted:The funny thing is that the modern spelling of the name of the actual job is 'smid' with a d. Same in German, the occupation is Schmied, but you have a variety of spellings for the surname, like Schmidt, Schmitt, Schmid or Schmitz. German orthography has only been standardized in the beginning of the 20th century, and old spellings of words often survive in family names or names of places.
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Seppänen means a small smith or made out of smith.
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I did not expect it to be ferrari.
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Danish is the same as Swedish, Schmidt is way more common than Smed. And it's very likely to be a "let's translate to German to sound cosmopolitan" thing. The Finnish written language was invented by a guy called Agricola, probably formerly known as Bonde it whatever the Swedish equivalent is.
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BonHair posted:Danish is the same as Swedish, Schmidt is way more common than Smed. And it's very likely to be a "let's translate to German to sound cosmopolitan" thing.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Seppänen means a small smith or made out of smith.
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frankenfreak posted:Love that new av! Thanks I wanted to try something different.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Thanks I wanted to try something different. Eastern Sweden is just your usual thing though?
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Jippa posted:I did not expect it to be ferrari. Flipperwaldt fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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Flipperwaldt posted:Farrier is a word in english. It's the hoof care and horseshoe guy. I think that specialisation comes into play for other languages that have multiple options as well, probably. E: like the kuznets mentioned, not the de smit, smet, smedt variations obviously. Also remember that ferro- or whatever is Latin for iron.
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Farrier is borrowed from old French, where the guy making horseshoes (and probably other basic metal items like nails and so on) was called a "ferrier".
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Relatedly, Ferrero Rocher sort of translates to Smith's Rocks or Boulders, supposedly because the guy thought they looked like a particular rock formation. 
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Carbon dioxide posted:Also remember that ferro- or whatever is Latin for iron. Ferrum
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In modern english it would be "ironist". Imagine that.
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Ferro network?
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Ferocious is just another word for ironic. No it's not
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:In modern english it would be "ironist". Imagine that. It's ironic innit?
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Jippa posted:I did not expect it to be ferrari.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:According to wiki all the top 20 swedish surnames are patronymics so I wish Sonny Bono had moved to Sweden so we could have "Sonny Sonnison II"
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Just checked and there are about 220 people with Smed as their last name in Sweden. Ive certainly never heard it spoken as a name in my life. God, we know swedes are Elves, you don't need to keep rubbing it in.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Just checked and there are about 220 people with Smed as their last name in Sweden. Ive certainly never heard it spoken as a name in my life. That's pretty odd, given that occupational last names are very common in German, Dutch and English (e.g. variations of Miller, Baker, Knight, Farmer, Goat-Herder, Falconer, Stitcher, Tailor, etc.). Small anecdote: I went on a date once with a Swedish Finn. She told me her last name was pretty boring and translated as 'Mountain Stream' (Bergström) but due to the din in the café, I had misunderstood her and came away thinking her name translated as 'Mountain Scream', which sounded incredibly  to me
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Bergström might well be a miller's name.
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Occupational names are pretty rare in Scandinavia, compared to patronymics, place names, natural objects and military names.
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García is a patronymic and an adjective? What?
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According to Wiktionary the etymology of García is unknown and it might be Basque.
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As a last name it's patronymical, of a given name that's adjective.Jasper Tin Neck posted:Occupational names are pretty rare in Scandinavia, compared to patronymics, place names, natural objects and military names. What is a military name if not just being occupational?
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The intent of the 1828 legislation that shifted Denmark from patronymic bynames to inherited surnames was that we would use the "byname by which people were commonly known", such as a place of origin or characteristic, but the law was so badly written that it accidentally gave almost everyone fossilized patronymics. Several attempts were made to clarify the law, but it was too little too late. In 1904, a new law gave people the opportunity to select a byname that they could document in their grandparents' generation, or from a list of made up surnames that were not in use. The 1961 law codified the long-standing practice of inherited middle names which have characteristics of both given names and surnames. The current law (2005) lets you pick a surname back to great great grandparents, as well as patronymics and matronymics (including from other cultures). In 2016, we dipped below 50% of Danes having a -sen surname for the first time, down from about 75–90% in 1900 (urban vs. rural). Jensen used to be the most common surname, but it was surpassed by Nielsen in 2015 after many years of people changing away from it or not passing it on to their children. Nielsen and the other top -sen names have also been in steady decline for decades. The second graph here has an interesting dip among people aged ~25–35. Many of my friends have used marriage as an excuse to drop the boring -sen name, often using a combination of their middle names as their new surnames: http://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/nyt/GetPdf.aspx?cid=20875 Jehde posted:What is a military name if not just being occupational? Swedish military names are like "Snabb" (fast), "Modig" (brave) etc. Danish ones were usually your village and weren't used after your military service. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Patronyms are widespread in Germany too, but it's mostly in northern Germany and the Rhineland that the names still carry a genitive -s or a Scandinavian-style -sen, the latter with a strong focus again on the formerly Danish parts of Schleswig-Holstein (probably for the reasons Carthag Tuek mentioned) Here's a distribution map for the "Hansen" surname in Germany where you can still see the old border between Schleswig and Holstein pretty clearly (that's also the case for many other names like Petersen or Clausen), and here is a Jansen map with a strong concentration along the Rhine, spilling over from the Netherlands
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Jehde posted:What is a military name if not just being occupational? Obviously the military couldn't command hundreds of dudes all called Olafsson or Andersson, so they were assigned a name that way that were often either adjective like Stadigh, Sträng, Rask or Snabb (Stalwart, Strict, two ways to say Quick) or nouns like Ståhl, Hjälm, Sköld (Steel, Helmet, Shield). If the commander didn't like you, you might be stuck with Fyllhund or Näsvis (Drunkass, Smartass) though. Usually those guys went with a patronymic after their service. Jasper Tin Neck fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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System Metternich posted:Patronyms are widespread in Germany too, but it's mostly in northern Germany and the Rhineland that the names still carry a genitive -s or a Scandinavian-style -sen, the latter with a strong focus again on the formerly Danish parts of Schleswig-Holstein (probably for the reasons Carthag Tuek mentioned) The switch from patronymics to surnames was done in the duchies already in 1771. It was probably a kind of pilot project, but it didn't go further a the time because the man behind it was Struensee & he was overthrown the following year. It did work slightly better there than in the kingdom proper (in contrast to Germany, the former duchies are the part of Denmark with the fewest patronym-derived surnames).
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:If the commander didn't like you, you might be stuck with Fyllhund or Näsvis (Drunkass, Smartass) though. Usually those guys went with a patronymic after their service. Family names that go back to bad names amuse me the most, here we have names like Quaghebuer (Bad Neighbour), Onraedt (Fishy), Buyle (Hunchback or Bump), Lam (Lame), Onghena (Pitiless), Cnudde (Tree Stump), and so on. In re: military last names, another reason there may not be an awful lot of names that refer to fighting is because most fighting men died before they had kids?
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There's a bunch of insulting surnames that survived the Habsburg Military Frontier. Habsburg attempts to humiliate people who weren't asskissy enough... kinda backfired.
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Calling people a hapsburg should be fighting words for most people
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  Milo and POTUS posted:Calling people a hapsburg should be fighting words for most people It should be, but there's still pretenders with weird pretensions to reclaiming some of the old family possessions.
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Monthly reminder that the current heir to the Habsburg claims (Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg-Lothringen) is a race car driver with 0 wins. Being scion of an abdicated house seems awesome. I’d take his life any day over having to actually be crown prince of somewhere. E: also imagine if somewhere voted to re-enthroned them and he chose to reign as Keith I Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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