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Malleum: Aug 16, 2014; Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?; Buglord

sexpig by night posted:

National mandated training to be able to buy a gun/ammo (e.g. driver ed requirements for cars). Something beyond a single day to deter people from casually thinking "a gun might be nice" without knowing much about them

i know its not mandatory for owning a gun but its extremely telling that none of these empty skulled dumbasses know what a CHL is despite them being advertised literally everywhere

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:27

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Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

"If you take away the cops' guns, the only ones that will have guns are chuds!"

:suicide:

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:27

World War Mammories: Aug 25, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1374672722786197506

This is amazing work. As a student of posting history I can say that I�ve seen hundreds of screenshots like this, and have shown little to no emotion. The screenshots were just windows to a past I�ve never lived in, people who I never knew or would ever know. But this picture made me stop and evaluate. Putting Neera Tanden in made me actually look at what is really happening. Putting something that everyone is familiar with in a situation that no one knows, and to make people feel those emotions well, that takes amazing talent. Thank you.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:28

Malleum: Aug 16, 2014; Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?; Buglord

on literally every available surface of a gun store there's an ad for cheap pistol certification and also the teenager selling you the gun will try and hawk a basic competency course because their boss gets mad at them if they dont

how do they not know this (its because theyve never been anywhere a gun store might be)

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:28

Son of Thunderbeast: Sep 21, 2002

pinxy

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:29

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

sexpig by night posted:

I posted this earlier, but TBH, I think the biggest focus should be on mandates that track guns, owners, and physical security of guns. For example:

All gun stores need to have enough physical security so they can't get easily broken into , such as metal shutters, concrete bollards, all guns/ammos stored in a safe every night. For a specific example of the issue with not having that security, I think at least 2 guns used in homicides last summer in the Twin Cities were stolen from gun shops in the area a few months prior

National gun purchase registry

National mandated training to be able to buy a gun/ammo (e.g. driver ed requirements for cars). Something beyond a single day to deter people from casually thinking "a gun might be nice" without knowing much about them

All guns need to come equipped with a gun lock (maybe even a gun safe that the manufacturer supplies?)

All gun owners need to report a stolen gun within X days

If a gun gets stolen because it wasn't property stored (or the owner didn't properly report it) and a crime gets committed with it, the gun owner needs to be held responsible for that crime.

I think things like these would be a good start to having an actual impact on gun deaths in our country.

wow a whole bunch of poo poo so only the rich with free time can have guns and no one else can

check out the illinois FOID if you want to see how well all this poo poo works. it fails miserably and should be unconstitutional

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:30

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

World War Mammories posted:

This is amazing work. As a student of posting history I can say that I�ve seen hundreds of screenshots like this, and have shown little to no emotion. The screenshots were just windows to a past I�ve never lived in, people who I never knew or would ever know. But this picture made me stop and evaluate. Putting Neera Tanden in made me actually look at what is really happening. Putting something that everyone is familiar with in a situation that no one knows, and to make people feel those emotions well, that takes amazing talent. Thank you.

Someone should buy neera an account

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:33

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

If you want gun control, start arming the poor, you'll get guncontrol in a week

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:34

Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Someone should buy neera an account

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:37

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

sexpig by night posted:

I posted this earlier, but TBH, I think the biggest focus should be on mandates that track guns, owners, and physical security of guns. For example:

All gun stores need to have enough physical security so they can't get easily broken into , such as metal shutters, concrete bollards, all guns/ammos stored in a safe every night. For a specific example of the issue with not having that security, I think at least 2 guns used in homicides last summer in the Twin Cities were stolen from gun shops in the area a few months prior

National gun purchase registry

National mandated training to be able to buy a gun/ammo (e.g. driver ed requirements for cars). Something beyond a single day to deter people from casually thinking "a gun might be nice" without knowing much about them

All guns need to come equipped with a gun lock (maybe even a gun safe that the manufacturer supplies?)

All gun owners need to report a stolen gun within X days

If a gun gets stolen because it wasn't property stored (or the owner didn't properly report it) and a crime gets committed with it, the gun owner needs to be held responsible for that crime.

I think things like these would be a good start to having an actual impact on gun deaths in our country.

Oof, had to use the search on this one.

Almost had me.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:37

Ovenmaster: Feb 22, 2006; I am the master of ovens for some reason.

I used to be a person looking in and not understanding why gun control was so hard for the US, and pointing to Australia as an example of de-weaponizing the population being a success.
The problem, of course, is that the American government has no social contract with its population, so of course people are going to respond to appeals of doing something 'for the greater good' with 'gently caress you'.
If on the other hand the government actually provided things to its citizens (healthcare system, living wage, etc.), maybe the people would be more amenable to making sacrifices.

In conclusion, gun control will never happen lol.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:39

The Pussy Boss: Nov 2, 2004

Loucks posted:

Maybe, but the scotus case seems like a significant expansion of police power. Not that they wouldn�t do that poo poo anyway, but they�re likely to be able to do it openly and therefore much more often going forward.

Oh for sure, expanding police powers, curtailing civil liberties, internal surveillance, criminalizing protest, etc will be a hallmark of the Biden presidency. I just think it'll happen via court cases that normies barely even hear about, not a new assault weapons ban or whatever.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:41

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Terror Sweat posted:

If you want gun control, start arming the poor, you'll get guncontrol in a week

Yup. Start handing out AKs at IBEW meetings and Congress will act at the speed of light to disarm them.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:42

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

the USPS used to unite this country by providing lifeline services to communities across this nation. people trusted the USPS so much they'd ship their kids with them until the postmaster told them to stop.

you can chart the decline of the role of the USPS in american culture directly to the decline of faith in federal institution.

that's why postal banking and postal internet are such important policies, not just for their direct good, but for reinvigorating a culture where the federal government directly helps you on a day to day basis.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:43

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/peterjholley/status/1374368611343667201

Huh, who would have thought that being woke would be weaponized against minorities? So strange.

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tmfc: Sep 28, 2006

loquacius posted:

just loving struggling to get Joe through two years so it doesn't count as a Harris term

can't wait to not vote for Harris / Buttigieg 2024

# ? Mar 24, 2021 17:44

Organ Fiend: May 21, 2007; custom title

Trabisnikof posted:

again, as long as it is libs doing it sure.

but working class people are perfectly willing to make sacrifices for the greater good, but that requires both being honest about what's happening and also making their sacrifice proportional to their ability. both of those are things the current dems refuse to consider.

if we had confiscated the private planes and taken the wealth of the fossil-based rich, then people would be more willing to accept going to the sideshow track or waiting for their designated driving-for-pleasure day.

if we made sure people would never starve or be homeless then people would be more willing to accept transportation options that aren't as consistent as POVs.

but since libs can only offer taxes, tax rebates, and fines, all of that is impossible to them.

The problem that the Left (whatever is left of it in the US), is that they are associated with the Democrat party, so any effort on their part to talk about guns/cars is going to be hampered. The terms communist and socialist are already associated with the Democrat party in the minds of everyone in the US except for actual communists and socialists.

If it was up to me, touching cars and guns would be the last thing I'd do. There are so many other bigger, less controversial targets to go after.

You can offer and follow through with nuclear/hydro/wind infrastructure projects, subway and suburb-to-city rail projects, road highway modification projects (for bike/bus lanes) without touching anyone's car. Do it right and you're also providing jobs and money for economically depressed areas. Frame it as a jobs program and in the context of patriotism (freedom from Saudi oil!).

Everyone in the American working class would be totally on board with all of this but there's just to many fuckers with a hardon for taking away the workers' mustangs and impalas.

I mean gently caress. Muscle cars were specifically designed as a way to give horsepower to the people. No wonder the libs want to take them away.

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Huh, who would have thought that being woke would be weaponized against minorities? So strange.

reminds me of the story of Alejandro Nieto, a security guard who ate his lunch in the same park every single day. Until a gentrifier moved in to the neighborhood, and didn't control their dog so it ran up to try and steal his lunch. and the gentrifier got pissed that the man was angry about his dog attacking him.

another gentrifier saw a minority wearing a 49er's jacket in SF (so obivously a gang member) and he had a taser and looked pissed off, so they called the cops and the cops came and murdered the Alejandro for eating his lunch in the park.

quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/21/death-by-gentrification-the-killing-that-shamed-san-francisco

The dog had Nieto cornered on the bench while its inattentive owner was 40 feet away � in his deposition for the case, under oath, his exact words were that he was distracted by a female �jogger�s butt�. �I can imagine that somebody would � could assume the dog was being aggressive at that point,� Snow said. The dog did not come when he called, but kept barking. Nieto, Snow says, then pulled back his jacket and took his Taser out, briefly pointing at the distant dog-owner before he pointed it at the dog baying at his feet. The two men yelled at each other, and Snow apparently used a racial slur, but would not later give the precise word. As he left the park, he texted a friend about the incident. His text, according to his testimony, said, �in another state like Florida, I would have been justified in shooting Mr Nieto that night� � a reference to that state�s infamous �stand your ground� law, which removes the obligation to retreat before using force in self-defence. In other words, he apparently wished he could have done what George Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin: execute him without consequences.

At the trial, Fritz testified that he had not seen anything alarming about Nieto. He said that he called 911 because Isgitt urged him to. At about 7.11pm he began talking to the 911 dispatcher, telling her that there was a man with a black handgun. What race, asked the dispatcher, �black, Hispanic?� �Hispanic,� replied Fritz. Later, the dispatcher asked him if the man in question was doing �anything violent�, and Fritz answered, �just pacing, it looks like he might be eating chips or sunflowers, but he�s resting a hand kind of on the gun�. Alex Nieto had about five more minutes to live.

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20 Blunts: Jan 21, 2017

A thriving domestic fire arms market is good for your military, that has always been my theory on all of this. If guns n ammo are cheap for citizens they're cheap for soldiers.

Somewhere somebody is paranoid that if Americans stop buying guns, the factories won't be as profitable, and maybe that will spread into the millitary's suppliers, IDK.

As soon as Europeans figured out how to manufacture arms in a permanent factory, you start to see the need for colonial allies to sell them to and all that geopolitical shite. Can't make the next best gun when you're in the red on last years model!

We've got generation after generation of politicians just shrugging at this matter, gotta throw some theory at the wall in all the horror of it.

20 Blunts has issued a correction as of 17:56 on Mar 24, 2021

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Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

20 Blunts posted:

A thriving domestic fire arms market is good for your military, that has always been my theory on all of this. If guns n ammo are cheap for citizens they're cheap for soldiers.

Somewhere somebody is paranoid that if Americans stop buying guns, the factories won't be as profitable, and maybe that will spread into the millitary's suppliers, IDK.

As soon as Europeans figured out how to manufacture arms in a permanent factory, you start to see the need for colonial allies to sell them to and all that geopolitical shite.

We've got generation after generation of politicians just shrugging at this matter, gotta throw some theory at the wall in all the horror of it.

your mistake here is assuming that the us military wants to get things for cheap when the real situation is the exact opposite

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

i want to enforce all the things conservatives get mad about (veganism, the destruction of the nuclear family, elimination of suburbs and private cars, gun control, giving dogs the right to vote, mandatory queerness, etc) but i don�t think there is any political use to that stuff in the current political climate. none of those are going to help us get from the current situation (capitalist death cult) to what we need (communism). i imagine post communism, politics would revolve around arguing about the above issues

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galenanorth: May 19, 2016

Organ Fiend posted:

The problem that the Left (whatever is left of it in the US), is that they are associated with the Democrat party, so any effort on their part to talk about guns/cars is going to be hampered. The terms communist and socialist are already associated with the Democrat party in the minds of everyone in the US except for actual communists and socialists.

If it was up to me, touching cars and guns would be the last thing I'd do. There are so many other bigger, less controversial targets to go after.

You can offer and follow through with nuclear/hydro/wind infrastructure projects, subway and suburb-to-city rail projects, road highway modification projects (for bike/bus lanes) without touching anyone's car. Do it right and you're also providing jobs and money for economically depressed areas. Frame it as a jobs program and in the context of patriotism (freedom from Saudi oil!).

Everyone in the American working class would be totally on board with all of this but there's just to many fuckers with a hardon for taking away the workers' mustangs and impalas.

I mean gently caress. Muscle cars were specifically designed as a way to give horsepower to the people. No wonder the libs want to take them away.

Yeah, government subsidies for preventing climate change should involve making sure the working class is inconvenienced least and last, but PMC liberals are all about exemptions for private jets and whatnot

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

THS posted:

i want to enforce all the things conservatives get mad about (veganism, the destruction of the nuclear family, elimination of suburbs and private cars, gun control, giving dogs the right to vote, mandatory queerness, etc) but i don�t think there is any political use to that stuff in the current political climate. none of those are going to help us get from the current situation (capitalist death cult) to what we need (communism). i imagine post communism, politics would revolve around arguing about the above issues

pretty much yea, like I'm down for the less dumb poo poo like a registry and mandatory background checks and poo poo but I just don't loving care when there's way more pressing issues that are going to kill us.

Plus, ya know. if we did something about the fact that our society is horribly atomized and has left entire swathes of the population feeling helpless and angry with no real path to treatment the gun poo poo would probably go down anyway.

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ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

I see Gun Deaths as a bell-weather for social health in America. If mass-shootings happen it indicates that social conditions are bad and should be fixed such as universal healthcare, a UBI, housing etc. If those things aren't happening Gun Control doesn't need to happen either. Basically for every "mass shooting" a congressman who voted against social spending should be shot.

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KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

AOCIA meeting with her handler

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I see Gun Deaths as a bell-weather for social health in America. If mass-shootings happen it indicates that social conditions are bad and should be fixed such as universal healthcare, a UBI, housing etc. If those things aren't happening Gun Control doesn't need to happen either. Basically for every "mass shooting" a congressman who voted against social spending should be shot.

pretty much yea, our gun crisis is bad but it's a horrific symptom of a greater illness rather than an illness on its own

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:04

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

KomradeX posted:

AOCIA meeting with her handler

one of those 'best and brightest' ate poo poo in every election he's been in and was so stupid he gave up a way more powerful job to take one that let him do more meaningless photo-ops

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:05

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

AOC's the only hope against the looming disaster of the Harris 2024 campaign losing 40 states to Trump, but I don't think she's got it in her anymore.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:06

Foxrunsecurity: Aug 10, 2008

galenanorth posted:

Yeah, government subsidies for preventing climate change should involve making sure the working class is inconvenienced least and last, but PMC liberals are all about exemptions for private jets and whatnot

If they had half a brain they could use the same tactic for car enthusiasts, since really track day, car show, off roaders and the like aren't meaningfully large emissions producers you could spin it into saving their hobby by going green everywhere else, noone actually likes being stuck in traffic at rush hour but that uses infinitely more gasoline. Use car enthusiast culture to start breaking car dependence culture basically.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:10

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

PostNouveau posted:

AOC's the only hope against the looming disaster of the Harris 2024 campaign losing 40 states to Trump, but I don't think she's got it in her anymore.

She's probably considering a run at Schumer rather than the presidency tbh

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:11

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Organ Fiend posted:

The problem that the Left (whatever is left of it in the US), is that they are associated with the Democrat party, so any effort on their part to talk about guns/cars is going to be hampered. The terms communist and socialist are already associated with the Democrat party in the minds of everyone in the US except for actual communists and socialists.

If it was up to me, touching cars and guns would be the last thing I'd do. There are so many other bigger, less controversial targets to go after.

You can offer and follow through with nuclear/hydro/wind infrastructure projects, subway and suburb-to-city rail projects, road highway modification projects (for bike/bus lanes) without touching anyone's car. Do it right and you're also providing jobs and money for economically depressed areas. Frame it as a jobs program and in the context of patriotism (freedom from Saudi oil!).

Everyone in the American working class would be totally on board with all of this but there's just to many fuckers with a hardon for taking away the workers' mustangs and impalas.

I mean gently caress. Muscle cars were specifically designed as a way to give horsepower to the people. No wonder the libs want to take them away.

i agree with this in general, but we're already kinda at the stage where we need to start working on the "last things" we do for climate. as far as things that impact individuals, transportation and ag are the big ones left relatively untouched at the scale required.

something that's vastly undervalued in american politics is planning ahead for things. so if we want to get rid of ICE vehicles by 2035 or 2050 or whatever, we benefit from starting that process sooner, and letting people plan around things. giving people advanced warning that their job or hobby must fundamentally change makes that shift easier.

so like you're saying, we start the public transit infrastructure now, we start the retraining programs now, we start the cultural shifting programs now, we say "gramps, you'll get to keep the mustang, but when your grandkids inherent it from you, they'll get a free EV engine swap".

because that way we have the time to work out the issues and slowly adapt people. and our target deadline we won't just be completely transforming everything at once, it will just be the final step in a decades long process.

so obivously that can't happen under our current political regime lol

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:11

RaySmuckles: Oct 14, 2009; Grimey Drawer

i watched "captain fantastic" last night and its the most 2014-2016 obama centrist movie i've seen in a looooong time

the whole film is a strawman argument against "radical leftism" with the conclusion being "its ok to grow some of your own food in a garden and have some fringe political beliefs, but at the end of the day you should live in a single family home and send your kids to american schools"

that movie aged like loving milk and its hilarious that even upon its release in 2016 it was doomed by a rising sanders movement and growing radicalization among left-leaning americans, and of course the naked failure of centrism at the hands of hillary clinton, and even more of course trump in general

anyway, just wanted to get it off my chest that the film is an intentionally halfbaked strawman designed to celebrate moderation, centrism, and traditional amercan values. it has nothing important or interesting to say and is ultimately a bad movie. but it could have been a good one

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KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

AOC's the only hope against the looming disaster of the Harris 2024 campaign losing 40 states to Trump, but I don't think she's got it in her anymore.

Even if she primaried Harris at this point do you trust her to be anything than a Lib and change nothing, she'd probably make Pelosi VP and resign

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Mike the TV: Jan 14, 2008; Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine; Pillbug

KomradeX posted:

AOCIA meeting with her handler

doggos and puppers

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:12

Weembles: Apr 19, 2004

KomradeX posted:

Even if she primaried Harris at this point do you trust her to be anything than a Lib and change nothing, she'd probably make Pelosi VP and resign

That's why I think it's more likely she'll (at least try to) be Harris's VP rather than running herself.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:13

RasperFat: Jul 11, 2006; Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't.

https://twitter.com/jonwalkerdc/status/1374768785027072001?s=21

It�s amazing how easily media personalities slip into gaslighting.

Biden has been working to make every popular policy shittier, but somehow he�s implementing a populist strategy.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:17

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

KomradeX posted:

Even if she primaried Harris at this point do you trust her to be anything than a Lib and change nothing, she'd probably make Pelosi VP and resign

No, but she'd at least not lose and would put off the fash takeover another 4 years.

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:20

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

RasperFat posted:

https://twitter.com/jonwalkerdc/status/1374768785027072001?s=21

It�s amazing how easily media personalities slip into gaslighting.

Biden has been working to make every popular policy shittier, but somehow he�s implementing a populist strategy.

I'm going to assume that this is part of some consultant's strategy to silence criticism of Biden "from the left" by seeding the rumor that Joe just gets really gassed up on being seen as a big change maker, so if you want to push him left you actually shouldn't criticize but instead cheer him on.

Hooray Joe! Keep going! We love you! Yay!

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RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1374771683278647303

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Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I'm going to assume that this is part of some consultant's strategy to silence criticism of Biden "from the left" by seeding the rumor that Joe just gets really gassed up on being seen as a big change maker, so if you want to push him left you actually shouldn't criticize but instead cheer him on.

Hooray Joe! Keep going! We love you! Yay!

Gambare Biden-sama!!!

# ? Mar 24, 2021 18:22

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