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Pollyanna posted:Oh my god, I don’t know how we didn’t bring up Battle on the Big Bridge until now. Oh yea. Also cools parts where you had to avoid the desert because of super-strong at the time enemies. The various chocobo's you got and how the map was gated uniquely for each, the flying vehicles. All those things are crucial for world building and a memorable game experience. FFV was such a good game. 
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Oh yeah, wasn’t FFV the first appearance of the black chocobo? Also how the desert had like a ruined city with an actual backstory relating to the crystals, which was a nice bit of worldbuilding. Also how when the world gets put back together again, and you expect that kinda thing to be a triumphant moment, but instead you get this, and you’re like, the gently caress? I can see so much of FFV throughout the entire BD series and how the series is clearly a spinoff from it and FFIII, and that makes it even sadder how BD2 just...isn’t as good as even BS. Like it failed to iterate meaningfully on one of the first entries in its entire line, 4HOL notwithstanding. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 18:39
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Pollyanna posted:Oh yeah, wasn’t FFV the first appearance of the black chocobo? Black chocobos were introduced in FF4.
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Mar 24, 2021 18:49
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Good Citizen posted:Anyone else just bodyslamming everything to death? I’m in chapter 3, maxed everyone as freelancer first thing, and since then I’ve killed everything I’ve run into with subclass freelancer doing a 1x forage 3x bodyslam. Works a lot better once you have the red mage ability that reduces sub class bp costs by one. There are jobs I’ve maxed where I’ve never used one of their skills. Good news: You beat the game and nothing can stop you from doing this In fact a late game class encourages you to do even more body slams
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Mar 24, 2021 18:53
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:You know, it's weird. I give this game a lot of poo poo for Adam being such an under-developed nothing of a big villain. I liked Adam solely because he sounded like Bill Nighy playing Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean but with a Russian twist.
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Mar 24, 2021 19:03
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Evil Fluffy posted:Black chocobos were introduced in FF4. Whoops, you’re right!
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Mar 24, 2021 19:03
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There are at least 2 dungeons with effects. One has poison bushes that damage you if you walk through them (but you can cut them with a sword swipe). The other has vents on the floor that periodically release steam and absolutely annihilate your HP.
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Mar 24, 2021 19:06
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Ragequit posted:I liked Adam solely because he sounded like Bill Nighy playing Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean but with a Russian twist. No one seems to have much of an accent with the Japanese voiceover, unfortunately... Sloan has generic old man voice with a lot of old-fashioned pronoun use, and Elvis uses wagahai a lot, but other than that. I don't even remember if Adam had any particular features to his voice...
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Mar 24, 2021 19:15
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Evil Fluffy posted:There's a fire/volcano(?) area with steam vents that do a lot of damage but that's all I can immediately think of. Unless it also negates sliding on ice and so forth. There's also at least one with poison pools, but I think it's a dungeon you'd probably never even bother going into except for a single side quest. Which is neat that there are optional dungeons, but it seems a little odd when the main questline is so bereft of diverse content.
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Mar 24, 2021 19:58
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I’m not gonna lie, I’m getting real sick of running around this beach just to adjust my party away from physical and towards magical for a single boss.
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Mar 24, 2021 20:00
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Pollyanna posted:Im not gonna lie, Im getting real sick of running around this beach just to adjust my party away from physical and towards magical for a single boss. then don't? I'm telling y'all: beastmaster main, thief sub, surpassing power, put on at least 2 chars, equip immunity items as necessary, face boss, godspeed strike x4, battle over. You may need salvemaker or white mage on one of your other characters to keep things going on the harder battles where this doesn't kill them the first time around, but even that might not be necessary if you put beast/thief on all four of your characters.
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Mar 24, 2021 20:06
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raditts posted:then don't? I'm telling y'all: beastmaster main, thief sub, surpassing power, put on at least 2 chars, equip immunity items as necessary, face boss, godspeed strike x4, battle over. You may need salvemaker or white mage on one of your other characters to keep things going on the harder battles where this doesn't kill them the first time around, but even that might not be necessary if you put beast/thief on all four of your characters. This is for a boss with Reflect Phys and that ability annihilates Thieves and Beastmasters, plus it’s not a counter so it can’t be evaded 
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Mar 24, 2021 20:08
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I just dealt with the few instances of reflect phys by just... constantly spamming all-party reraise and letting the reflect kill my characters. Godspeed Strike and Ninefold Flurry are just that good.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I just dealt with the few instances of reflect phys by just... constantly spamming all-party reraise and letting the reflect kill my characters. Godspeed Strike and Ninefold Flurry are just that good. This. The best counter to reflect physical is Arise.
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Mar 24, 2021 20:17
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Russad posted:There are at least 2 dungeons with effects. ...That said I'm almost certain those are the only two dungeons with effects that interact with Dungeon Master. Pollyanna posted:I’m not gonna lie, I’m getting real sick of running around this beach just to adjust my party away from physical and towards magical for a single boss. If it's because the boss has Reflect Physical Damage: don't bother. Worst comes to worst just toss a phoenix down to your physical attackers (or cast Raise/Arise if you already have a white mage handy). Physical damage is so overtuned (or, at least, magic damage is so undertuned) that it's way easier just to brute force your way through it.
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Will a shield master absorb the physical reflect?
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Not if the damage is so high that the reflect one or two-shots you. Maybe I’ll give Reraise a go...
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Pollyanna posted:This is for a boss with Reflect Phys and that ability annihilates Thieves and Beastmasters, plus its not a counter so it cant be evaded If it's one of the portal refights I'm thinking of, you can still Off the Chain monsters with Darkga and Banishga on them (since while physical-based OTCs will get reflected, magic based ones still won't) for 9999 damage a pop. You can get Banishga from the little wizard guys in the ruined lab in Rimedahl (Ruined Mageling I think they are) and I believe you can get Darkga from the little wizard guys (Midnight Wizzy I think) in the crashed airship in Halcyonia. I think I just combined that with one guy just doing the Godspeed Strike anyway, eating the damage, and reviving since, with that one attack shaving off 25-30k a pop, they're gonna go down eventually. raditts fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 20:45
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Pollyanna posted:I’m not gonna lie, I’m getting real sick of running around this beach just to adjust my party away from physical and towards magical for a single boss. It's ok, I tackled the person who was holding a gun to your head. You can stop grinding magic jobs for a single boss that doesn't need magic jobs to beat. Even if counter savvy can't mitigate it, drop a nuke on the boss, raise, repeat. It'll still be faster than relying on magic which is pretty bad unfortunately.
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Dirk the Average posted:This. The best counter to reflect physical is Arise. (Re)Raise.  Can't be cover scammed for if you're at full HP.
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LiefKatano posted:I don't think the poison bushes can be cut down? Even if you could it'd be incredibly tedious. You can, and it is. And yeah, pretty sure those are the only 2 environmental hazards. It’s pretty dumb.
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Mar 24, 2021 20:51
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Is there a better JP grinding spot in chapter 5 than the world map snake boss that's in the Savalon dungeon? I can kill it and the mobs in one round which nets about 540JP a fight with the passives, and it's quick to respawn be reentering and leaving the dungeon. It looks like you can fully level a job up after about 10 fights or so doing this, but wasn't sure if there's a boss that's just as quick to farm/kill with more JP to give.
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Pollyanna posted:I’m not gonna lie, I’m getting real sick of running around this beach just to adjust my party away from physical and towards magical for a single boss. You can dispel physical counters with Freelancer iirc.
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Kin posted:Is there a better JP grinding spot in chapter 5 than the world map snake boss that's in the Savalon dungeon? Takes me about 1m14s to get 314 base jp, so it looks like 314/1.25 = 251 JP/M. That assumes you can one-round it which isn’t a given for where I am. So that already makes it unreliable compared to beach farming, which gives something like base 1100*3 = 3300 per character each time you do it. Then again, I haven’t run the numbers for beach farming, plus there’s an embarrassing amount of downtime waiting for the enemies to respawn and for the bait to wear off, plus the time it takes to get those fuckers up top. Edit: Did a couple beach farms runs. Beach farming takes me about 4.5 minutes end to end, netting me 1330 base jp. With the consecutive battle bonus, that jumps to 3990 base jp. 3990 base jp/4.5 minutes = ~887 jp/m. That’s actually a lot faster than I expected...and don’t forget that’s per character rather than total. So yeah, beach farming wins out. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Mar 24, 2021 23:42
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Yeah the beach is just so good for JP farming that I wonder if anyone ever noticed during testing or if they did and decided "this is exactly what a job-heavy game should have so keep it."
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They had to have noticed. JP grinding to Godspeed Strike and Level Slash + associated abilities is the only way to get past some of the later bosses. It’s integral to the game.
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So from what i gathered on youtube, the beach farming is just corralling the low level enemies into a group and killing them all at once right? The video looked kinda tedious and the guy seemed like he only got 1100 EXP total, not base before multiplier?
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Kin posted:So from what i gathered on youtube, the beach farming is just corralling the low level enemies into a group and killing them all at once right? The video looked kinda tedious and the guy seemed like he only got 1100 EXP total, not base before multiplier? JP, and that number is applied to each of the four characters, IIRC. Entirely possible that I’m wrong. But yes, it’s tedious, and somehow still the fastest method. 
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Natural 20 posted:You can dispel physical counters with Freelancer iirc. Inherent Reflect Physical Damage cannot be dispelled. This comes up in the Bastion refight, as well as the optional superboss.
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Pollyanna posted:JP, and that number is applied to each of the four characters, IIRC. Entirely possible that I’m wrong. But yes, it’s tedious, and somehow still the fastest method. Hmm, i'm not really convinced it's faster than the boss farm. Like, i can kill that boss in well under a minute with my party and the then i'm able to respawn it pretty quickly compared to that route of moving the enemies about the beach. It felt like that took ages because they kept getting stuck in the walls and such. Also, for the reward at the end is the 3x multiplier not already included in the total it's giving you? For example, when it says you get 1000jp, that's not 1000*3*1.7=5100jp, it's actually 333*3*1.7= 1700jp isn't it? When i did it, i think my job levels only went from about 5 to 8 which is way less than 5000jp.
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Pollyanna posted:Takes me about 1m14s to get 314 base jp, so it looks like 314/1.25 = 251 JP/M. That assumes you can one-round it which isn’t a given for where I am. So that already makes it unreliable compared to beach farming, which gives something like base 1100*3 = 3300 per character each time you do it. Then again, I haven’t run the numbers for beach farming, plus there’s an embarrassing amount of downtime waiting for the enemies to respawn and for the bait to wear off, plus the time it takes to get those fuckers up top. That math seems off, it takes me more than 2 fights to max out a job when I did beach farming (it's ~6000 jp to go from job level level 1 to level 12) berenzen fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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That’s my best guess.  The math is rather opaque, I wish they just gave us the formula on screen.Edit: late chapter 5 boss fight: you gain BP every time I hit you with a physical attack????? are you serious??? gently caress off and die Edit 2: the cutscene after: https://youtu.be/yfelqZpapZA Edit 3: hahahahahahahahahahaha Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Mar 25, 2021 03:11
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Oh my loving god (chapter 6 spoilers) ANOTHER FAKE OUT ENDING?!? REALLY GAME?!?
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Per usual, I hate JRPG minigames BnD is frustrating. Old lady was easy. Boy is considerably harder. I watched this but I don't understand, at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpz1JVQvRgA GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Mar 25, 2021 03:54
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Okay, answer me exactly one thing. Do I really need to master all jobs on all characters in order to progress past chapter 5?
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Pollyanna posted:Okay, answer me exactly one thing. No. I'm not sure what makes you think that you'd need to. Sometimes you just need to walk away from a bad situation. 
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I’m not sure if I want to mouse over that or try and figure it out myself. Edit: got it. Figured it’d be more complex than that. Guess I overthought it. Edit: there’s more job levels??? 
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5:9 vs the young man is crushing
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Boy super bosses do not gently caress around in this game. I am struggling big time at level 50 and have only cleared one gate so far.
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Ragequit posted:Boy super bosses do not gently caress around in this game. I am struggling big time at level 50 and have only cleared one gate so far. Some of them are definitely easier than others. (all spoilers for end/postgame) The Thief, Beastmaster, Bard, Gambler one is one of the easiest, and the Beastmaster's spear is insanely useful for a healer or buffer. That said, if you can crack it, the Phantom, Hellblade, Monk gate is the most important to farm because of the Hellblade sword being completely bonkers good. Consider taking time out to unseal your bloody shields, too because the result makes your tank nigh-to-invincible.
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