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I am going to take the bold stance of saying you shouldn't call what ICE is doing a genocide until they kill more people. What are they at now?
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Dolphin posted:No one in Cspam defends this. It's also extremely stupid to equate the two. There's a much better example under FDR. why would we reference the concentration camps of 70 years ago when we have concentration camps right now?
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Mar 25, 2021 16:02
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OK baizuo posted:Stop being so obviously disingenuous by equating re-education to extermination. Not MY brownshirts, says the rereg
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Serf posted:why would we reference the concentration camps of 70 years ago when we have concentration camps right now?
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Mar 25, 2021 16:05
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Dolphin posted:the concentration camps are an evil unto themselves, but the ones south could not be reasonable construed as a genocide. neither are the ones in xinjiang
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Mar 25, 2021 16:07
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Serf posted:neither are the ones in xinjiang
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Mar 25, 2021 16:08
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Dolphin posted:yes they are. Why would the Chinese government attempt to exterminate an ethnic group whose development and reproduction it had been deliberately supporting mere decades ago?
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Mar 25, 2021 16:11
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Dolphin posted:yes they are. okay, what's the proof?
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Mar 25, 2021 16:12
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Rounding up every last Japanese citizen because of their Japanese ancestry and holding them indefinitely until the war ends: not genocide Re-educating religious extremists, giving birth control to the women in their patriarchal society: definitely genocide
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Mar 25, 2021 16:12
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OK baizuo posted:Re-educating religious extremists, oh so it's only the muslims that like islam too much? that makes me feel better
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Mar 25, 2021 16:14
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Serf posted:okay, what's the proof? there's plenty of proof, you folk just love your conspiracy theories.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:15
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Dolphin posted:No one in Cspam defends this. It's also extremely stupid to equate the two. There's a much better example under FDR. Dolphin posted:the concentration camps are an evil unto themselves, but the ones south could not be reasonable construed as a genocide. Dolphin posted:yes they are.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:16
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Dolphin posted:is this the part where I cite 60 different sources and you find out that the author has a second cousin who works for the state department? more likely that the sources would be directly funded by the US state department, or from right-wing religious fundamentalists. yes. cite those sources
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Mar 25, 2021 16:16
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QUEER FRASIER posted:I like this trend of people saying "what's up with the false equivalences, nobody in CSPAM denies that the USA sucks!" and then IMMEDIATELY launching into some American exceptionalism bullshit about how what China's doing is so extraordinary and incomparable to the US' very understandable and reasonable use of concentration camps
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Mar 25, 2021 16:17
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Dolphin posted:is this the part where I cite 60 different sources and you find out that the author has a second cousin who works for the state department? this hyperbole isn't helping your argument. post the sources
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Mar 25, 2021 16:17
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Serf posted:this hyperbole isn't helping your argument. post the sources
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Mar 25, 2021 16:18
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Dolphin posted:actually i equated them directly to something the us did so this is some bad faith bullshit The equation doesn't make sense, is your problem here. Maybe if the US government was specifically arresting Mexicans who were found to be particularly faithful Catholics on suspicion of promoting child abuse?
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Mar 25, 2021 16:19
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:oh so it's only the muslims that like islam too much? that makes me feel better I'll go out on a limb here and say that yeah, the Turkistan Islamic Movement folks might be a little too enthusiastic about their religion. Not the State Department though, guess who they recently reclassified as not being terrorists
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Mar 25, 2021 16:20
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Dolphin posted:it isn't hyperbole, it's literally a conspiracy theory roughly on par with "but russia" well then post the sources so we can see that it isn't a conspiracy theory
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Mar 25, 2021 16:20
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Dolphin posted:actually i equated them directly to something the us did so this is some bad faith bullshit Why do you feel so confident that there's a genocide in Xinjiang and not on the U.S. Southern border? What's your methodology or evidence you're relying on?
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Dolphin posted:No one in Cspam defends this. It's also extremely stupid to equate the two. There's a much better example under FDR. the post I was responding to was that "Americans" would call this a genocide, and insofar as you may well be correct that no one in CSPAM defends Biden's concentration camps, I think it's pretty clear that there's no consensus across Americans as to whether what the US is doing at its border even deserves to be called concentration camps, much less that anything be done about them
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QUEER FRASIER posted:Why do you feel so confident that there's a genocide in Xinjiang and not on the U.S. Southern border? What's your methodology or evidence you're relying on? Dolphin has issued a correction as of 16:26 on Mar 25, 2021 |
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Mar 25, 2021 16:24
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OK baizuo posted:Rounding up every last Japanese citizen because of their Japanese ancestry and holding them indefinitely until the war ends: not genocide "giving"
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:if you go back to the beginning of the Eurasia thread its p much just homex and pener kropoopkin arguing with gbs racists and baloogan, it owns I went back and read some last night and  people were linking radio free asia as sources in C-SPAM.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:25
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Dolphin posted:For one, there are no reports of that on the southern border or we'd be talking about it in a megathread perhaps the oppressive united states corporate media apparatus isn't interested in disseminating any such reports
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Mar 25, 2021 16:25
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Dolphin posted:is this the part where I cite 60 different sources and you find out that the author has a second cousin who works for the state department? lmao yes it's a second cousin and not direct funding gently caress off bellendcat
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look i know everything im told is corporate media/state dept lies, but my belief that china is doing a genocide is unwavering. not everyone is brave enough to say this
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Mar 25, 2021 16:27
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Serf posted:perhaps the oppressive united states corporate media apparatus isn't interested in disseminating any such reports
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Dolphin posted:perhaps. we also have no evidence of that. just like you've provided no evidence of genocide taking place in china. weird
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:look i know everything im told is corporate media/state dept lies, but my belief that china is doing a genocide is unwavering. not everyone is brave enough to say this
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If CSPAM doesn't know about something it's probably not real.
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Nix Panicus posted:Homex was also weird about the DPRK He's not wrong about the DPRK, it's the same situation that is about Xinxiang, we hear almost nothing about it outside of the state department apparatuses. We killed 20% of their population and wiped out all of their infrastructure, they have ever right to hate the US. In the previous page of that linked thread people are screaming about him "purging" members of the forum on mass. Totally good faith posters like this one Fallen Hamprince posted:While reading R. Guyovich’s posts about Xinjiang, keep in mind that he also regularly holds ‘purges’ of D&D where he summarily bans dozens of D&D posters for “making bad posts” about politics, society, and current events.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:look i know everything im told is corporate media/state dept lies, but my belief that china is doing a genocide is unwavering. not everyone is brave enough to say this well you dont want to be called a genocide denier. get on the china-condemner bus with everyone else. if you’re proven wrong later, whatever, you can jump on the next narrative designed to make the enemies of the US into the great nazi evil which must be confronted with sanctions and more military spending. will that escalate into a war? maybe! i promise to join the anti-war protests after supporting each and every overblown justification and state dept narrative along the way
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there's also this weird notion that propaganda is necessarily incorrect. propaganda is most effective when it's accurate. the state department isn't broadcasting conditions at the southern border because it isn't beneficial to the state department but that doesn't mean what they're saying about conditions abroad are wrong.
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while what china and america do are bad, surely we can agree that purging dnd is good
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Serf posted:just like you've provided no evidence of genocide taking place in china. weird
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Dolphin posted:there's also this weird notion that propaganda is necessarily incorrect. propaganda is most effective when it's accurate. the state department isn't broadcasting conditions at the southern border because it isn't beneficial to the state department but that doesn't mean what they're saying about conditions abroad is wrong. they could just as easily be lying tho. where's your proof that what they're saying is correct? your argument is getting flimsier and flimsier by the post
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Dolphin posted:no actually the thing you just made up does not have the same value as something based on decades of precedent and thousands of reports what did i make up? where are the decades of precedent and thousands of reports? surely this exists, so why not provide it? it seems like you're not particularly sure of your sources, and are afraid of scrutiny
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:look i know everything im told is corporate media/state dept lies, but my belief that china is doing a genocide is unwavering. not everyone is brave enough to say this
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Serf posted:they could just as easily be lying tho. where's your proof that what they're saying is correct? your argument is getting flimsier and flimsier by the post
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