Konomex posted:

Tommunist posted:

ah rip

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/03/peter-dutton-gta-5-toxic-behaviour-link/

alf_pogs posted:

love, tolerance, etc is fine, but i think a lot of people would settle for just plain not gettin' sexually assaulted and that's sort of the big topic

"NYTIMES posted:

What Experts Know About Men Who Rape

He sat by his phone, skeptical that it would ring. “I didn’t think that anyone would want to respond,” said Samuel D. Smithyman, now 72 and a clinical psychologist in South Carolina. But the phone did ring. Nearly 200 times. At the other end of the line were a computer programmer who had raped his “sort of girlfriend,” a painter who had raped his acquaintance’s wife, and a school custodian who described 10 to 15 rapes as a means of getting even with “rich bastards” in Beverly Hills.

By the end of the summer, Dr. Smithyman had completed 50 interviews, which became the foundation for his dissertation: “The Undetected Rapist.” What was particularly surprising to him was how normal these men sounded and how diverse their backgrounds were. He concluded that few generalizations could be made. Over the past few weeks, women across the world have recounted tales of harassment and sexual assault by posting anecdotes to social media with the hashtag #MeToo. Even just focusing on the second category, the biographies of the accused are so varied that they seem to support Dr. Smithyman’s observation.

But more recent research suggests that there are some commonalities. In the decades since his paper, scientists have been gradually filling out a picture of men who commit sexual assaults. The most pronounced similarities have little to do with the traditional demographic categories, like race, class and marital status. Rather, other kinds of patterns have emerged: these men begin early, studies find. They may associate with others who also commit sexual violence. They usually deny that they have raped women even as they admit to nonconsensual sex.

Clarifying these and other patterns, many researchers say, is the most realistic path toward curtailing behaviors that cause so much pain.

“If you don’t really understand perpetrators, you’re never going to understand sexual violence,” said Sherry Hamby, editor of the journal Psychology of Violence. That may seem obvious, but she said she receives “10 papers on victims” for every one on perpetrators. This may be partly connected to a tendency to consider sexual assault a women’s issue even though men usually commit the crime. But finding the right subjects also has complicated the research. Early studies relied heavily on convicted rapists. This skewed the data, said Neil Malamuth, a psychologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has been studying sexual aggression for decades.

Men in prison are often “generalists,” he said: “They would steal your television, your watch, your car. And sometimes they steal sex.” But men who commit sexual assault, and are not imprisoned because they got away with it, are often “specialists.” There is a strong chance that this is their primary criminal transgression. More recent studies tend to rely on anonymous surveys of college students and other communities, which come with legal language assuring subjects their answers cannot be used against them. The studies avoid using terms such as “rape” and “sexual assault.” Instead, they ask subjects highly specific questions about their actions and tactics. The focus of most sexual aggression research is acknowledged nonconsensual sexual behavior. In questionnaires and in follow-up interviews, subjects are surprisingly open about ignoring consent.

Men who rape tend to start young, in high school or the first couple of years of college, likely crossing a line with someone they know, the research suggests. Some of these men commit one or two sexual assaults and then stop. Others — no one can yet say what portion — maintain this behavior or even pick up the pace. Antonia Abbey, a social psychologist at Wayne State University, has found that young men who expressed remorse were less likely to offend the following year, while those who blamed their victim were more likely to do it again.

One repeat offender put it this way: “I felt I was repaying her for sexually arousing me.” There is a heated debate among experts about whether there is a point at which sexual assault becomes an entrenched behavior and what percentage of assaults are committed by serial predators. Most researchers agree that the line between the occasional and frequent offender is not so clear. The recent work of Kevin Swartout, a professor of psychology and public health at Georgia State University, suggests that low-frequency offenders are more common on college campuses than previously thought.

“It’s a matter of degree, more like dosage,” said Mary P. Koss, a professor of public health at the University of Arizona, who is credited with coining the term “date rape.” Dosage of what? Certain factors — researchers call them “risk factors” while acknowledging that these men are nonetheless responsible for their actions — have an outsize presence among those who commit sexual assaults. Heavy drinking, perceived pressure to have sex, a belief in “rape myths” — such as the idea that no means yes — are all risk factors among men who have committed sexual assault. A peer group that uses hostile language to describe women is another one.

Yet there also seem to be personal attributes that have a mediating effect on these factors. Men who are highly aroused by rape porn — another risk factor — are less likely to attempt sexual assault if they score highly on measures of empathy, Dr. Malamuth has found. Narcissism seems to work in the other direction, magnifying odds that men will commit sexual assault and rape. What about the idea that rape is about power over women? Some experts feel that research into hostile attitudes toward women supports this idea.

In general, however, researchers say motives are varied and difficult to quantify. Dr. Malamuth has noticed that repeat offenders often tell similar stories of rejection in high school and of looking on as “jocks and the football players got all the attractive women.” As these once-unpopular, often narcissistic men become more successful, he suspects that “getting back at these women, having power over them, seems to have become a source of arousal.” Most subjects in these studies freely acknowledge nonconsensual sex — but that does not mean they consider it real rape. Researchers encounter this contradiction again and again.

Asked “if they had penetrated against their consent,” said Dr. Koss, the subject will say yes. Asked if he did “something like rape,” the answer is almost always no. Studies of incarcerated rapists — even men who admit to keeping sex slaves in conflict zones — find a similar disconnect. It’s not that they deny sexual assault happens; it’s just that the crime is committed by the monster over there. And this is not a sign that the respondents are psychopaths, said Dr. Hamby, the journal editor. It’s a sign that they are human. “No one thinks they are a bad guy,” she said.

Indeed, experts note one last trait shared by men who have raped: they do not believe they are the problem.

Buttcoin purse posted:

A powerless African-American slave, officially considered 3/5ths of a person, lying on the floor after having been beaten within an inch of their life by their owner for dropping a plate: "gently caress whitey!"

Konomex: "While I don't agree with slavery, you're actually perpetuating hate. What if a young, impressionable white kid heard you? They might think they need to join the KKK. Please think about your choice of words."

kirbysuperstar posted:

https://twitter.com/TimWattsMP/status/1375335096023089154?s=19

Konomex posted:

Most rapists don't see themselves as rapists. Most abusers won't see themselves as abusers. And they won't see it, because the thing they did wasn't done to a person. Not a real person. You can't rape an object. And that is precisely the problem. You want young men to stop becoming rapists, you have to teach them to love, accept and tolerate others. Because it is only then that they see them as a person. It won't solve all rape, but it will go a long way to removing the system that supports this type of behaviour. A system of dehumanization and abuse of others.

Wizard Master posted:

What a blunder by the government, well short of the promised 4 million vaccines by the end of March. The hits keep coming on all sides

Konomex posted:

There's a world of difference between what you said and seriously suggesting the systematic persecution of a group of people.

HazCat posted:

I actually have a degree in sociology.

So in addition to speaking over my lived experiences as a woman and someone who has been raped and sexually harassed out of a workplace and in addition to trying desperately to force me to be silent, you're also mansplaining my actual field of study to me. Poorly.

Breakfast Burrito posted:

literally noone is in the position to seriously enact persecution against white men in this country you idiot

Konomex posted:

Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

Breakfast Burrito posted:

literally noone is in the position to seriously enact persecution against white men in this country you idiot

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

freebooter posted:

One of the fascinating things in the discourse at the moment is the idea that the slow vaccine rollout is a "blunder" by a government that's presided over one of the most excellent COVID responses in the world. It's like the opposite of how Boris Johnson might actually pull his government's reputation out of the fire for having a really swift and comprehensive vaccine rollout, even though he got 100,000+ of his citizens killed in the first place.

Complaining about Australia's vaccine rollout is like complaining about the food in the dining room on the Carpathia while you're looking out the window at the survivors of the Titanic lifeboats being hoisted aboard.

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

freebooter posted:

One of the fascinating things in the discourse at the moment is the idea that the slow vaccine rollout is a "blunder" by a government that's presided over one of the most excellent COVID responses in the world.

Konomex posted:

Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

Konomex posted:

It is not okay to put someone down or disregard them because of something they have no control over.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

I think a government setting targets for itself, failing to meet them, amending their targets and then failing to meet their amended targets being a "blunder" is pretty accurate. It's a bit of a "whatever" for people like me who aren't in immediate danger of it sure, but it's still just another instance of this federal government just not knowing how to do anything that even pretends to be competent. If anything it's just a giant wince moment to remember the voters of Australia put these fuckos back in power when at the last election they were imploding.

Sure, it 'presided' over our successes but all I seem to remember them doing is blaming the states whenever their external border gently caress-ups spread people across the country with COVID, and then complaining about the economy whenever the states did the hard work and made the hard choices to try to keep this coronavirus under control. We got where we were in spite of them, not because of them, and the rollout demonstrates what happens when they're given ample time to prepare for something major.

Comstar posted:

They had nearly an entire YEAR to plan and roll this out.They can't even meet their own plan OR their revised plan OR the revised revised plan. It's been a near complete abrogation to "just get the GP's to do it". If that guy in QLD had it for a week AND got it from an unknown source it's a good chance it's already spread and we'll be in lockdown. Again.

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

Konomex posted:

A person in a moment can be forgiven an outburst of anger, but backing up that point continuously is a proliferation of the cycle of violence.

HazCat posted:

I intended it as a throwaway comment like kill whitey or ACAB.

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Given the current political situation I can't tell whether that tweet is trying to say 'how can we not address how hosed it is that tony and peta were having an affair' or 'how can we not talk about how the affair rumours were an example of the disgusting misogyny women in Canberra face'

Konomex posted:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was debate and discussion. Thank you for telling me I'm mansplaining your job, which I had no idea about, in a location for discussing things. Are you aware of what I do? I haven't asked you to be quiet. I've said that your behaviour and the specific statement you made is poo poo. I feel bad for your lived experience but I'm not speaking over it. Where have I spoken over it? You take offence where none is given. You post, I post, all is visible. I literally cannot speak over you, only respond. And my response is simple.

Intolerance is any form, aside from intolerance of intolerance is lovely thing to do. You did a lovely thing. I pointed that out, and rather than acknowledging it, you made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

I have no control over whether you participate in the discussion, and I'd prefer people to discuss than sit on their backsides and do nothing. Would you like me to be silent when men speak in their private circles? Want me to shut up when my boss makes inappropriate comments about a 14 year old girl? Shall I ignore the 12 year old boys imitating dehumanizing attitudes towards girls their age? Is that your preference?

What does your field of study actually say should be done to prevent young men from becoming rapists? What does it say about intolerance? What does it say about how to counter systematic violence. As an expect in the field, please, enlighten us. Point me to the part of your sociology degree that said you should generalise about a group of people, and disregard their offence with glib statements? Where does it say people should dehumanise each other?

Congratulations, you are the expect here, you are in the position of power. You are in the position of privilege, to which the majority of posters will listen to you on this subject as you have lived experience on it. What do you do with that power? Will you tell me that myself and my sons should be 2nd class citizens, deprived of our rights because of our position of birth? Will you devalue my own lived experience as a man who has been a victim of institutionalized sexism precisely because I am a man and women have it worse. Shall we compare stories of our shittest moments? I hope not, because comparing our personal horror stories doesn't make things better. But calling out shittery and dumbfuckery sure will.

Perhaps, for a moment, you can remember what your degree in sociology has taught you. Be introspective and consider that generalising against anyone is wrong.


Dave from accounting isn't in a position to do any of the things he said he'd like to do to Linda from Marketting, shall I just ignore his comments?

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

What the bloody hell did I just read?

freebooter posted:

What external border gently caress-ups? If you're talking about the Ruby Princess that was brought under control pretty quick and nobody who didn't contract COVID on the ship died from it.

Konomex posted:

HazCat posted:

"im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a men's rights activist

nocturama posted:

Amethyst posted:

All of your pets are stupid and ugly and I hate looking at them.