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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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ThomasPaine posted:

A DC based think tank with the stated goal of 'enhancing' US foreign policy and the UN are not equivalent organisations, and decent critical analysis has to include an awareness of who's writing and in what ideological context.

Neither of these are remotely controversial statements. You're putting words in my mouth if you assume I mean anything beyond that.

I'd suggest decent critical analysis should also include reading the report.

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Fojar38 posted:

I'd suggest decent critical analysis should also include reading the report.

It should, which is why I haven't commented on its contents.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

China aims to be carbon neutral by 2060. Its new 5-year plan won’t (quite) cut it. For now.

quote:

0n Friday, China released a draft summary of its 14th Five-Year Plan, the all-important document that not only guides the country’s economic development but also has huge consequences for global carbon dioxide emissions and climate change. The new plan’s 2025 emissions goals reflect an ongoing contradiction between China’s short-term and long-term climate goals.

In the long run, China has expressed a strong commitment to climate action. President Xi Jinping surprised the world last September when he announced that China would aim to reach carbon neutrality by 2060. Climate scientists have called for countries to hit that goal by 2050, but it was still a significant step forward for China — the first time the country made any formal commitment to zeroing out its emissions.

And yet, even as Xi made that announcement, CO2 emissions in China were soaring. Like the rest of the world, the pandemic had initially caused economic activity to plummet in China in early 2020. But after swiftly bringing the pandemic under control within its borders, the Chinese government funneled stimulus dollars into the heavily polluting construction and manufacturing sectors, stoking steel and cement production. As a result, China’s emissions rose an estimated 1.5 percent in 2020, even accounting for the initial drop.

“China’s economic recovery from the pandemic so far has been anything but green,” Li Shuo, a senior global policy adviser for Greenpeace East Asia, said during a press conference on Monday. Now, with the release of the 14th Five-Year Plan targets, the Chinese government is signaling that the country’s emissions growth will likely slow slightly from recent months, but continue for at least the next five years, according to analysts.

On the one hand, the growing emphasis on green development in China’s plans, rather than the historical single-minded focus on GDP, shows that the Communist Party sees a strong national interest in reducing emissions over time. However, these latest climate targets do not rise to the level the global scientific consensus calls for.

Spoke Lee
Dec 31, 2004

chairizard lol
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/11/china-adopts-new-laws-to-ensure-only-patriots-can-govern-hong-kong

quote:

Chief executive, Carrie Lam, said her government would amend Hong Kong law’s in line with the new decision over the next 12 months. She denied it was a backwards step for democracy, but instead closed “loopholes” allowing “unpatriotic people” to “harm” Hong Kong with anti-Beijing and pro-independence moves.

She dismissed all suggestions that the changes would reduce government accountability through opposition.

“I truly believe that when this is done … we will be able to effectively resolve the problems we face in Hong Kong, [that is] everything being politicised and the difficult situation it has been placed in.”

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Did they release another catchy song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTiBgHIWKik

Greg12
Apr 22, 2020

Mr. Nice! posted:

Did they release another catchy song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTiBgHIWKik

I love this song; I love thinking about what they're trying to say with the song; I love thinking about the people who thought of and made the song.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

The CCP is poopy.
Xi Jinping is a tinpot despot with a resemblance to a cartoon bear.
Both are committing genocide in Xinjiang, for reasons that are at once hateful, racist, and politically expedient.
Just as they are quashing political and social dissent in Hong Kong.

Also related to Xi Jinping. 'Xi Jinping thought'(tm) is intentionally obscurely written bullshit that neither adds or says anything of worth to either the Party or Communist thought.

All of these truths I hold to be self-evident.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Doesn't Xi Jinping thought include a commitment to "One country two systems". Wonder how that's going.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Private Speech posted:

Doesn't Xi Jinping thought include a commitment to "One country two systems". Wonder how that's going.

Turns out it's not going well actually.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

SerCypher posted:

Turns out it's not going well actually.
Blowing up in his face or the people's face?

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Grouchio posted:

Blowing up in his face or the people's face?

Little bit of column A. Little bit of column B.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Redgrendel2001 posted:

Little bit of column A. Little bit of column B.
Imma need specifics cause it didn't sound like it blew up in his face back in 2019 iirc.
And here I thought Xi successfully became as invincible an icon as Mao.


(Deng best Chairman)

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Grouchio posted:


And here I thought Xi successfully became as invincible an icon as Mao.


This is something I am thinking about.

I know he has enshrined himself into law, proclaimed himself President for life, had all rivals disappeared or neutered etc. But has he managed to weasel his way into the public/social/cultural consciousness and become an actual icon?

(Winnie the pooh stuff doesn't count)

I haven't lived in China for about 3 years, and I was only there for 2 1/2 so whilst the motherfucker is certainly politically important, I dunno if he managed to make himself as socially/culturally important as he would have liked.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I got family who ride or dies for Xi but he has powerful, powerful whatever the translation for Americana into chinese would be. The man owns a collectible decorative plate set with all the chairmen's faces and had a special cabinet made to display them on.

He also get really mad when I said given the choice between china's vaccine and moderna/pfizer I'd take the latter two because they objectively more effective he called me unpatriotic. I am not a chinese citizen.

Heithinn Grasida
Mar 28, 2005

...must attack and fall upon them with a gallant bearing and a fearless heart, and, if possible, vanquish and destroy them, even though they have for armour the shells of a certain fish, that they say are harder than diamonds, and in place of swords wield trenchant blades of Damascus steel...

I think Xi Jinping has extremely high levels of public support in China. Obviously public opinion is hard to measure, but that absolutely seems to be the environment here, and most western reporting tends to reflect that, as far as I can understand.

China, like many other places, generally seems to have experienced a significant rightward shift starting around mid 2010s and Xi’s “brand” resonates with right wing populism in a way that previous leaders didn’t.

Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

BrigadierSensible posted:

I know he has enshrined himself into law, proclaimed himself President for life, had all rivals disappeared or neutered etc. But has he managed to weasel his way into the public/social/cultural consciousness and become an actual icon?

Definitely getting there, sadly. Indoctrination at schools is getting ever more effective.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Xi Jinping is almost 70. It's like he's trying to speedrun China into a succession crisis.

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019

Daduzi posted:

Definitely getting there, sadly. Indoctrination at schools is getting ever more effective.

But he doesn’t even have lines that are as good as Mao’s!!

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Grouchio posted:

Blowing up in his face or the people's face?

I more meant his commitment to one country two systems is not going well.

Closer to one country 1.05 systems at the moment.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dumb country, Pooh systems

Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

SerCypher posted:

I more meant his commitment to one country two systems is not going well.

Closer to one country 1.05 systems at the moment.

Identical twins are still two people

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)
Taco Defender

Daduzi posted:

Identical twins are still two people

Only if born after 2015.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Fojar38 posted:

Xi Jinping is almost 70. It's like he's trying to speedrun China into a succession crisis.

As long as you died the most powerful person, you won.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Fojar38 posted:

Xi Jinping is almost 70. It's like he's trying to speedrun China into a succession crisis.
Huh? Deng Xiaoping started his economic revolution at age 75 and retired at age 90. Unless Xi has worse health than he did this is gonna take a while.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Fojar38 posted:

Dumb country, Pooh systems

On the note of Pooh.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/devotion-devs-are-selling-it-themselves-after-gog-chickened-out

The Devotion Devs are now selling the game direct. I wonder how long their store will stay up.

I love talking poo poo about our leaders and would have to have to deal with the bullshit in China where it is treated like apostasy.

Roblo
Dec 10, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!
Are any of you fine folk able to translate this? It went up near my house (UK).

pedro0930
Oct 15, 2012

Roblo posted:

Are any of you fine folk able to translate this? It went up near my house (UK).



It says "Love is always the answer".

Roblo
Dec 10, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!
Well that isn't what I expected at all! I was thinking it would be political. Thanks! That's nice.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1375015592944537605?s=20

:thunk:

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It actually boggles the mind how bad China is at diplomacy. Your average Goon has more tact.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Fojar38 posted:

It actually boggles the mind how bad China is at diplomacy. Your average Goon has more tact.

The thing that gets me is that they actually believe their own bullshit. Few things are more dangerous than that.

Hell, past a certain point even the Soviets were kinda phoning that poo poo in.

Kavros
May 18, 2011

sleep sleep sleep
fly fly post post
sleep sleep sleep
Let Them Pick Cotton

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

holy poo poo Chinese propagandists are the loving worst lol

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

It's an extremely weird tweet, they really should've just used a picture of angola prison if they wanted to be more modern

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Varinn posted:

It's an extremely weird tweet, they really should've just used a picture of angola prison if they wanted to be more modern
That or quote Empire of Dust:

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
The former head of the CDC, Robert Redfield, went on CNN to claim that Covid-19 escaped unintentionally from a lab in Wuhan, in contrast to the current scientific consensus of an animal origin:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-lab-theory-robert-redfield-no-evidence/

quote:

Dr. Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told CNN he believes the coronavirus originally escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China. But it's too early to know for sure and investigations are ongoing.

Redfield stressed he was not implying "intentionality," and no credible scientist, including Redfield, believes the virus was man-made. 

Still, Redfield's comments sparked debate. "I am of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathogen in Wuhan was from a laboratory, you know, escaped," Redfield told CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta during an interview taped in January, to be aired in full Sunday. "Now, other people don't believe that, that's fine. Science will eventually figure it out. It's not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on in the laboratory to infect the laboratory worker."

Now I find it pretty drat disingenuous for Redfield to come on CNN to drop a bomb like this and then turn around and say "this is just my opinion". Perhaps he has some ulterior motive in saying this.

That being said, the Wuhan lab was apparently experimenting with viruses similar to that of Covid-19. On the other hand, scientific consensus says no, which should outweigh anything else. :shrug:

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
It's really, really hard to believe that the lab actively studying coronaviruses located a couple of blocks away from where the novel coronavirus pandemic originated had nothing to do with the outbreak. It really just beggars belief.

DJ_Mindboggler
Nov 21, 2013
Yeah, it's an annoying situation where right-wing media figures use the presence of a lab in the area (an entirely plausible source of the initial infection, given Chinese stonewalling of international investigators) to imply a deliberate leak, which is obviously a ridiculous claim. This then leads to people dismissing the original idea (lab accident) completely out of hand, rather than just assigning it some probability and moving on. It isn't as if such accidents are unheard of.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

DJ_Mindboggler posted:

Yeah, it's an annoying situation where right-wing media figures use the presence of a lab in the area (an entirely plausible source of the initial infection, given Chinese stonewalling of international investigators) to imply a deliberate leak, which is obviously a ridiculous claim. This then leads to people dismissing the original idea (lab accident) completely out of hand, rather than just assigning it some probability and moving on. It isn't as if such accidents are unheard of.

Yep. It's 100% feasible that the lab just used poor safety standards or suffered an accident, leading to one of the bat coronaviruses they had been studying to infect some staff. It's also incredibly believable that the CCP would try to cover this up.

But that's not edgy enough, apparently, so you've got terminally online people claiming it's either a bioweapon and/or that the CCP is playing 9 dimensional checkers by releasing it intentionally in their own country to make Donald Trump look bad.

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Mar 30, 2021

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freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
The other big claim was that it had been around since September or October and that it had spread to almost every Chinese province by November.

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