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I'd assume a large part of the HoI4 playerbase just wants to get their nazi-wank on anyways unlike CK2/3 and EU4.
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Fintilgin posted:All the talk of V3 made me go back to V2, which I haven't touched in ages. Assuming you are playing in Vanilla, when your first truce expires with Mexico just focus on influencing them, you can even stop influencing any other nation. If you go whole hog like that generally the AI loses interest. Then bump down UK/Spain to Cordial, and if you're really paranoid ban their embassy. Also you may already know this, but if Mexico makes another ally like Colombia, they won't be able to join the war if they are sphered by you.
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Don Gato posted:One of the devs has posted here that one of the problems that they keep running into is that the people who are the most passionate about working on HoI tend to be the kind of far right fucknuts you don't want to work with. Or plain crazy!
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Mar 26, 2021 23:09
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Fintilgin posted:All the talk of V3 made me go back to V2, which I haven't touched in ages. I’m getting flashbacks of the daily pre civil war popup spam.
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Rynoto posted:I'd assume a large part of the HoI4 playerbase just wants to get their nazi-wank on anyways unlike CK2/3 and EU4. Even beyond that, the game covers a very limited time period, and WW2 dominates that period. So they can do some limited regional wars and stuff, but there isn't really a potential for someone to spend centuries building up and totally flip history upside down the way it is in the other games.
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Mar 27, 2021 00:40
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Grevlek posted:From me, but another person can come along, who never purchased the game. They can then buy HOI4, and all the DLC, and Paradox did nothing to spur that sale. Paradox devs have explained in this thread about how they've struggled to find talented new developers that are a good fit for the HoI team and are willing to stick around to produce multiple pieces of content. I'd wager the content drought has far more to do with that than any other factors. Grevlek posted:i'm saying that every single piece of economic literature regarding a monopoly, suggests that they maximize profits not by meeting customer demand, but by holding something back. it's not my opinion, it's adam smith's if you have a problem take it up with that dude
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Mar 27, 2021 00:58
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OddObserver posted:Even beyond that, the game covers a very limited time period, and WW2 dominates that period. So they can do some limited regional wars and stuff, but there isn't really a potential for someone to spend centuries building up and totally flip history upside down the way it is in the other games. Converter guy here! You can, it just takes more games than just HoI4. Which I guess it to your original point.
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Rynoto posted:I'd assume a large part of the HoI4 playerbase just wants to get their nazi-wank on anyways unlike CK2/3 and EU4. Ironically I commit far more genocides in CK3 and EU4 than I ever did in HoI I've never actually played HoI but still
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trapped mouse posted:Assuming you are playing in Vanilla, when your first truce expires with Mexico just focus on influencing them, you can even stop influencing any other nation. If you go whole hog like that generally the AI loses interest. Then bump down UK/Spain to Cordial, and if you're really paranoid ban their embassy. Hmm, okay thanks, I'll give it a go. EDIT: OOH! I forgot the little priority buttons to increase the speed at which my influence goes up. Lots of little interface things I've forgotten. Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 01:43
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OddObserver posted:Even beyond that, the game covers a very limited time period, and WW2 dominates that period. So they can do some limited regional wars and stuff, but there isn't really a potential for someone to spend centuries building up and totally flip history upside down the way it is in the other games. can’t you reconquer brazil as portugal in vanilla HOI4
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Mar 27, 2021 06:56
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You can do some crazy ahistorical stuff in HoI4 but there's no real knock-on effects because the game is basically over once you do it. Like it's not a good game to ask the question "what would the world be like if Portugal re-absorbed Brazil?" because the only answer it's going to give you is "Portugal would have a larger manpower pool and more military factories".
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BgRdMchne posted:I’m getting flashbacks of the daily pre civil war popup spam. Wickedness must be stamped out! OddObserver posted:Even beyond that, the game covers a very limited time period, and WW2 dominates that period. So they can do some limited regional wars and stuff, but there isn't really a potential for someone to spend centuries building up and totally flip history upside down the way it is in the other games. This period is extremely well documented. The war has affected everyone in the world. You have millions of things to represent. For those who participated in the war there are always more possible plans and alternatives, interesting events. For those who didn't participate there are still a lot of events and possibilities.
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Mar 27, 2021 07:35
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it's pretty funny how the soviet union has less content than mexico. still.
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I hope HoI4 is gearing up for a big revamp with the Barbarossa patch and that's why it's been so abnormally quiet from that team for so long
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Mar 27, 2021 11:45
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The USSR is going to get a massive new focus tree of which 3/4ths is new althistory monarchist and fascist paths. The historical path will be the weakest.
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Mar 27, 2021 12:43
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eu4 and ck2/3 you can bullshit up new mechanics with relative ease, but hoi4 is just ww2 and rubbing mans against each other, so far with all the bs'd up new mechanics largely being legit trash garbage like espionage although still no ussr so lmao
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Mar 27, 2021 13:18
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Mantis42 posted:it's pretty funny how the soviet union has less content than mexico. still. I have to believe the next expansion is going to be ussr focused so they can make the joke that this was part of the 5 year plan.
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really queer Christmas posted:I have to believe the next expansion is going to be ussr focused so they can make the joke that this was part of the 5 year plan. 
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Mantis42 posted:it's pretty funny how the soviet union has less content than mexico. still. two expansions ago the devs said they were waiting for an expansion to focus on the USSR, but then each expansion takes a year and a half and adds, uh, a naval designer for like three people, and content trees for..portugal and greece. so it'll be a decade or so
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Mar 27, 2021 16:47
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really queer Christmas posted:I have to believe the next expansion is going to be ussr focused so they can make the joke that this was part of the 5 year plan. At this point "Five Year Plan" would be the best name for the Soviet DLC.
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Mar 27, 2021 18:11
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The Cheshire Cat posted:You can do some crazy ahistorical stuff in HoI4 but there's no real knock-on effects because the game is basically over once you do it. Like it's not a good game to ask the question "what would the world be like if Portugal re-absorbed Brazil?" because the only answer it's going to give you is "Portugal would have a larger manpower pool and more military factories". This is bad enough on its own, but coming off the back of TNO it's simply comical. It would be cool if Portugal got bogged down in some bat poo poo insane South American conflict with tons of flavour and chances for the other powers to get involved and for South America not to be the most boring place on Earth in the game.
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Mar 27, 2021 18:28
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I had a single playthrough of HoI4 a few years after the release. I played as the Soviet Union. I didn't understand anything that happens and I turned most of Europe Communist by the end of the game. I'd think that this is a game about playing as someone apart from majors, but only the majors get any content, so I don't get it. Maybe people don't joke when they say it's a platform for mods.
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Mar 27, 2021 19:08
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The opposite is true, they’ve been giving minor nations content instead of the soviet union or italy
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I haven't played for a while. Anyway I'm talking about a systemic approach. In, say, CK3 every single minor count might have a situtation as interesting as an emperor, cause the game cares about counts. When your base game systems are about managing multi-front warfare, and other core systems (politics and focuses) are all about custom made content for specific country - you know that the game doesn't want you to play as El Salvador. And if you try you get a clone army of general portraits.
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ilitarist posted:I had a single playthrough of HoI4 a few years after the release. I played as the Soviet Union. I didn't understand anything that happens and I turned most of Europe Communist by the end of the game. I'd think that this is a game about playing as someone apart from majors, but only the majors get any content, so I don't get it. Maybe people don't joke when they say it's a platform for mods. When you look at the care and content Stellaris gets compared to HoI, it's pretty apparent that PDX likely doesn't have a clear direction or vision for the game, or at least one they aren't really passionate about. Not to mention that HoI gets considerably less content despite releasing like two weeks or so apart. Right now, rather than focus trees or weird alt history poo poo that doesn't do anything, they need to focus on really fleshing out the scope and sense of scale of the conflict. WWII was unbelievable in size and the eastern front was basically the apocalypse in terms of carnage, yet you really don't get immersed in the war and everything just feels pretty low key really. Barbossa feels like it goes way too quickly, the war in the pacific is uh.. something? The North African front is laughably poo poo and no one knows what's going on at sea. You guys can poo poo on HOI 3 all day, but it felt way more atmospheric and the sheer sense of scale was definitely much more realised, especially when you saw the eastern front. Whenever I boot up HOI4, I feel like those guys early on in WWI, thinking the war will be won by xmas because the Germans are stupid and everything will go pretty fast. But in HoI 3, warts and all, I feel like the war will be lasting some time and its best to get comfortable. Even though HoI 3 also often suffers from conflicts going way too fast or feeling crap, it at least it sold itself as a WWII game, which goes a long way tbh. BillBear fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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BillBear posted:You guys can poo poo on HOI 3 all day, but it felt way more atmospheric and the sheer sense of scale was definitely much more realised, especially when you saw the eastern front. yeah i guess wanting to commit suicide after seeing it is a much more historical reaction
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War in the East 2 just came out so I'll probably never touch unmodded HoI4 again, because yeah it's really not great at feeling like it's actually about WW2 despite being one of the most popular WW2-themed strategy games of all time.
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Mar 27, 2021 20:07
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People really look at a 128 euro video game and think "What this game needs is more DLC to feel complete". drat.
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Mar 27, 2021 20:39
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The next dlc better touch up the USSR, and preferably the air game in some way. The pacific needs some love as well; the island hopping campaigns were a significant part of the conflict but the game allows you to completely sidestep it, and actually encourage you to, since it’s micro-managy for small gains. The question is what can be done in that regard.
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I'm still a huge noob when it comes to CK, despite playing 2 a bunch. I've just been playing past the tutorial in 3 and wanted to confirm a mistake I think I made. After having titles to most of Ireland and two sons only, my soulmate wife died and I remarried someone for a big prestige boost, who happened to be a fornicator I could have imprisoned with no tyranny. I didn't, though, and we had multiple sons and then I died, so now my new guy has to contend with those sons to get back the 7 titles lost due to confederation partition inheritance (I think that's what it is called). My previous guy could have created the kingdom of Ireland, but didn't have enough money before he died. If that was my goal, am I correct that remarrying and having more kids actually made that more difficult? Like, I should have stayed unmarried or if I did get the wife I chose, should have imprisoned her right away to not risk having more kids? Until I can change the inheritance laws, what's the general strategy to avoid having inconvenient heirs? I don't mind the narrative but winning back titles I already had feels like retreading the same ground and I'd like to minimize that if possible moving forward.
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A Strange Aeon posted:I'm still a huge noob when it comes to CK, despite playing 2 a bunch. I've just been playing past the tutorial in 3 and wanted to confirm a mistake I think I made. The number of kids you have is a balancing act. Until you've unlocked Primogeniture, you don't want too many sons because it makes succession messy. But having daughters to marry off for alliances is a good thing. And it can help you in the long run to position dynasty members to inherit foreign titles and spread your dynasty far and wide because having more rulers of your dynasty increases your dynasty's renown, and the dynasty head gets a cheap "claim title" interaction over foreign dynasty members. If you want to be married for the stats/alliance but don't want to have any more kids, then you could marry a woman over 45, or you could go down the medicine lifestyle tree to unlock the decision to adopt/abandon celibacy. Pakled fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mans posted:People really look at a 128 euro video game and think "What this game needs is more DLC to feel complete". drat. Yeah people look at a game they like and want more content. I guess this is shocking, but trust me it’s pretty common
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Like did you know fighting game enthusiasts will buy more characters to fight with hosed up I know
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Mar 29, 2021 17:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:Like did you know fighting game enthusiasts will buy more characters to fight with This but unironically
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Mar 29, 2021 19:20
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What is a Paradox game if not a fighting game where the characters are countries?
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I actually unironically agree with that
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Not to join in on the negativity parade but I played vanilla hoi4 with a friend on Saturday and then by myself yesterday and my conclusion is I'm never playing vanilla hoi4 again.
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really queer Christmas posted:Not to join in on the negativity parade but I played vanilla hoi4 with a friend on Saturday and then by myself yesterday and my conclusion is I'm never playing vanilla hoi4 again. Why did you play it to begin with
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Gort posted:Why did you play it to begin with Neither of us had played in months and thought it would be fun to stomp around and just have fun. No fun was had.
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