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MrMoo posted:Meanwhile from China, this one is only half right, they're improving!
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Fur20 posted:only americans are so disgusted with other languages that they have to make words sound more english. This is one of the more  takes I’ve ever seen, holy crap. What is it with that weird “only Americans do this language thing”... self-loathing isn’t the right word but it’s the closest I’ve got. It’s like when I see people on here saying that only Americans and English will say derogatory things about the staff in English when overseas because they assume they won’t be understood. Just fuckin’ baffling and telling of a lack of experience with other languages.
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https://twitter.com/spokespersonchn/status/1376163186290749441?s=21 Fun fact: The Schiller Institute was founded by Lyndon Larouche’s wife.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:This is one of the more yes... telling of a lack of experience with other languages, when my experience is americans telling me to stop talking like <east asian slur> because i'm using loanwords that are common in hawaii creole talk about americans being insecure about other languages, am i right!! Fur20 fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Mar 28, 2021 |
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Mar 28, 2021 19:09
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Fallen Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/spokespersonchn/status/1376163186290749441?s=21 lmao, what's the ccp's obsession with the loving laroucheites
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Fur20 posted:yes... telling of a lack of experience with other languages, when my experience is americans telling me to stop talking like <east asian slur> because i'm using loanwords that are common in hawaii creole I could have put more separation between me finding that specific “this is only an American” take hilariously wrong and my speaking to the general attitude. I know from your posts that you yourself have experience with other languages and cultures, but generally when I see people online talking like that it’s because they haven’t seen it. The fact that you do have that experience made that take even weirder to me because I would have figured you would have run into non English/American versions of it.
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Fur20 posted:yes... telling of a lack of experience with other languages, when my experience is americans telling me to stop talking like <east asian slur> because i'm using loanwords that are common in hawaii creole No one's claiming americans don't do that, they're claiming every language does it. It's just as common in chinese, as anyone who's put on a jiake to go to maidanglao to get a hanbao can confirm.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I could have put more separation between me finding that specific “this is only an American” take hilariously wrong and my speaking to the general attitude. I know from your posts that you yourself have experience with other languages and cultures, but generally when I see people online talking like that it’s because they haven’t seen it. The fact that you do have that experience made that take even weirder to me because I would have figured you would have run into non English/American versions of it. i guess i'm thinking of it more like, hawaii has a lot of native speakers of other languages who continue to use their native language. we get SOME loanwords that are... creolized, they aren't anglicized they're usually more rooted in hawaiian phonemes, but we also get a lot of words that aren't really loaned as such they're just the words prounounced as their speakers say them because we all grow up with a global selection of phonetics. in japan you'll get like, french words and poo poo, and they'll... do their best to pronounce them like the french do  , but especially in america you get a tendency to drop the origin entirely and just make up a new word for the thing, while criticizing anyone who uses the original term. i don't see that in other cultures, but maybe i'm just not looking hard enough.
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doesnt phonemic diversity decay the further from east africa you get https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3090
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If you're going to continue using the china thread to vent made up poo poo about mainlanders and phonetics of other regions, I will continue my tangent about textiles.
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More of this please. Are silk cocoons the best materials for comforters?
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MrMoo posted:Meanwhile from China, Jesus. At least the one about the Australian soldiers war-crimes made a point. And compared to this, it was a masterpiece of subtlety. The CCP is really doubling down on the "But you had slaves too!"
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Mar 28, 2021 23:03
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Soviet ghosts tried to warn us that the US was lynching negroes!!!!!!
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bob dobbs is dead posted:doesnt phonemic diversity decay the further from east africa you get that's exactly right! the hawaiian language, as in the austronesian one, has very few phonemes. but hawaii creole is basically made of that plus a ton of imported poo poo from all over the world, so that, just like the creoles of the gulf of mexico, is a little different.
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Fur20 posted:in japan you'll get like, french words and poo poo, and they'll... do their best to pronounce them like the french do It's interesting that you mentioned French, since your peeve is one of the duties of the Académie Française.
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I don't know whether to continue the textile tangent or the language one. One of my biggest beefs with the English language is how we simply transplant works into the language and keep the phonetics of the origin word, even thought the Romanized spelling doesn't even closely resemble the pronunciation. We even use it as an insult for intelligence. "I liyk to eet karrits" God forbid should an alphabet should give a hint to its pronunciation, instead of a direction to a system of rules that varies with the borrowed language.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:I don't know whether to continue the textile tangent or the language one. Well, actually the problem is that the English language started to get standardized in the the 14th century when bureaucrats in England made what was called 'chancery standard' English, which was to be used by government scribes so that it was intelligible to everyone. Then the printing press came over, and merchants making books had to start choosing which accents and words to use when making books and such. And in the middle of this standardization of spelling was the Great Vowel Shift, which was this several century long process that shifted how vowels and such were pronounced. So written english was settling on one uniform standard that decoupled it from local accents for bureaucratic and literary purposes while the way english words were being pronounced was completely changing. William Caxton, the man who brought the printing press to England actually complained about this ongoing vowel shift in one of his books. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Caxton quote:In the 1490 edition of Caxton's translation of the prologue to Virgil's Aeneid, called by him Eneydos,[25] Caxton refers to the problems of finding a standardised English.[26] Caxton recounts what took place when a boat sailing from London to Zeeland was becalmed, and landed on the Kent side of the Thames.[25] A mercer called Sheffield who was from the north of England went into a house and asked the "good wyf" if he could buy some "egges". She replied that she could speak no French. This annoyed him, as he could also not speak French. A bystander suggested that Sheffield was asking for "eyren" and the woman said she understood that.[25] After recounting the interaction, Caxton wrote: "Loo what ſholde a man in thyſe dayes now wryte egges or eyren/ certaynly it is harde to playſe euery man/ by cauſe of dyuerſite ⁊ chaũge of langage" ("Lo, what should a man in these days now write: egges or eyren? Certainly it is hard to please every man because of diversity and change of language.")[27]
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I dunno if the I HATE COTTON thing or the WHY DONT THEY PRONOUNCE THE FOREIGN WORD RIGHT?? thing is the goonier beep boop man thing but both are way better than when the 'politics' toilet overflows.
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Four of my top five worst public toilets are in China.
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A squat toilet in Ostia Antica filled with bees.
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Grand Fromage posted:Four of my top five worst public toilets are in China. Beijing Summer Public Toilet is my number one cursed candle scent.
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Dont Touch ME posted:If you're going to continue using the china thread to vent made up poo poo about mainlanders and phonetics of other regions, I will continue my tangent about textiles. No don’t
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Dandywalken posted:Soviet ghosts tried to warn us that the US was lynching negroes!!!!!! You ARE lynching negroes is a much more powerful statement than you WERE lynching negroes. It's just... odd. Slaves picking cotton in the south is one of the most powerful images America has about past injustice. Prison labor and the criminalization of poverty are where that sort of thing lives now, but the klan hood and cotton are among the biggest "things used to be terrible" images we've got. This is stuff is tying a historic injustice to an ongoing injustice, and I have no goddamn idea what they're thinking. What they're trying to say is that the Uyghurs aren't experiencing any hardship or discrimination, unlike what happened to black people in the past, but that's a strange point because the western understanding of American slavery is as an example of progress(there was a speech during the vote counting in 2020 that ended with "we used to pick cotton, now we pick presidents") and the moral necessity of confronting your own problems. Sending that imagery out is tying the circumstances of the Uyghurs to the circumstances of slaves, and we fought a god drat war, against ourselves, to get rid of slavery. It's trying to poke at a sore spot in American history, but since it's using outdated images, it's instead reminding us about one of the few times the US was completely, totally, unequivocally on the right side of a conflict. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Yeah they were trying to pick a sore spot in US history in the hopes that it would provoke a similar reaction in the US as it does in China but the difference is that the grand champions of whacking at America's sore spots are the Americans themselves
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Grand Fromage posted:A squat toilet in Ostia Antica filled with bees. who had the chutzpah to shove that many bees down their gullet to poop them out there
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Grand Fromage posted:A squat toilet in Ostia Antica filled with bees. The Roman Empire beats Han Dynasty confirmed
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Grand Fromage posted:Four of my top five worst public toilets are in China. Construction work has meant my worst toilets are basically all domestic now, with the exception of one in Greece that directly faced a floor-to-ceiling mirror. But yeah, bees, snakes, pipefitter dooks, I’ve Seen Some Stuff here.
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https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1376340717795115008?s=20 Tag yourself, I'm "alleged connections with Muslim Brotherhood" Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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That tweet is obviously full of poo poo, but just to be sure I did some digging and can confirm that it is in fact full of poo poo. The most "damning" thing there is that the IIIT was subjected to post-9/11 FBI raids that found nothing.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1376340717795115008?s=20 Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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The FBI finding no evidence proves the FBI is in bed with the Muslim brotherhood to discredit china.
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Gaius Marius posted:The FBI finding no evidence proves the FBI is in bed with the Muslim brotherhood to discredit china. You know who else are muslims? The Uighurs. Checkmate， 老外。
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https://twitter.com/CGChinaLiYang/status/1376139882461081604 Chinese diplomat to brazil decides to go retro with the insults. He's responding to all his detractors in the replies with further insults.
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CCP trolls are just hilarious to me because it's pure amateur hour watching them work. The big thing about trolling, especially if you are an international actor, is to not make it so goddamned obvious what you are doing. Even the Russian Facebook trolls in 2016 knew to cover themselves up before getting to work. The CCP people just practically march in and advertise that they are now trolling you before they do it. I find myself laughing and going "so?" when they do it.
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"Spendthrift" is the next level of insult above "sex-haver" for a CCP member. Extra funny because the Liberal party have always been cozy with China and rolled out red flags all along Sussex Dr. when they were courting a free trade deal in 2015/2016. It fell apart when PRC demanded an extradition treaty 
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I can't find it now but when I was first learning Chinese, there was a site that translated to "THE WHOLE WORLD DOESN'T UNDERSTAND CHINA" which was basically a collection of transcripts of Ministry of Foreign Affairs diplomats putting their foot in their mouth, it was an invaluable resource when studying.
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Grand Fromage posted:A squat toilet in Ostia Antica filled with bees. Are you sure that was a toilet and not just a shipment for the Circus Maximus
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