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OwlFancier posted:I guess you could dope the fudge with plutonium or something and make it so that when you eat it it goes critical. *Camrath hurriedly scrawls words in a notebook*
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Zero Gravitas, you should be angrier at Keir Starmer than anyone. IIRC, you were rah rah for Corbyn until the 2019 election, and then with the loss you backed Starmer in a pragmatic move. Now, I obviously wasn’t convinced at all, but I could see the logic there: a unity candidate who will present essentially the entire Corbyn agenda in an electable package the media likes. It’s not a bad idea, in those terms. But, as a supporter of Keir, he has utterly betrayed you. He has torn the party apart, purging like loving crazy, even expelling the former leader (and then not letting him back in even against the advice of the NEC his supporters lead). There were plenty of opportunities to get people together that were lost, like the EHRC report. Just yesterday his staff was briefing that his problems were due to him appeasing the left too much (which is one of the most bonkers statements I’ve ever read). He has sprinted to the right disavowing any scraps of the Corbyn policies he pledged to implement, even when they’re extremely and widely popular. Instead he just sits staring at open goals with no idea what to do. Right now, the government has presided over the deaths of 120,000 people in just a year, one of the worst death rates in the world. At every step, Starmer’s gone out of his way to announce that he agrees with whatever the Tories do, meaning he can never actually criticise them for absently causing mass death of their own citizens, and collapsing the economy. Oh, but it’s all okay because he would be fractionally better than the Tories, and of course he’s cruising to Number 10 on his cloud of electability. His opinion polling is plummeting, and is Labour is likely to lose another, once solid MP in Hartlepool. An opposition party is usually supposed strong in by elections. Even the Guardian and the Observer, Starmer’s core demographic, are asking what the point of him is. He is delivering nothing of what he was supposed to deliver. It’s not a question of why we don’t like him - we never did and are unlikely to be convinced. The question is why don’t you hate him? He has made a fool of you.
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Comrade Fakename posted:IIRC, you were rah rah for Corbyn until the 2019 election, and then with the loss you backed Starmer in a pragmatic move. Now, I obviously wasn’t convinced at all, but I could see the logic there: a unity candidate who will present essentially the entire Corbyn agenda in an electable package the media likes. Happy to admit you could be describing me here. I was wrong, and I'll
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Mar 29, 2021 21:37
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mrpwase posted:The last five years has just been a circle which began and ends with 'the people in power are poo poo', it doesn't matter what nationality they are Five years? Try five thousand years
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Mar 29, 2021 21:41
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I mean I didn't vote for Starmer but was happy to give him a chance. Not looking like he has a chance as it stands at the moment.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Zero Gravitas, you should be angrier at Keir Starmer than anyone. IIRC, you were rah rah for Corbyn until the 2019 election, and then with the loss you backed Starmer in a pragmatic move. Now, I obviously wasn’t convinced at all, but I could see the logic there: a unity candidate who will present essentially the entire Corbyn agenda in an electable package the media likes. It’s not a bad idea, in those terms. The Guardian and Observer were 'asking' as a quick shot-above-the-bow reminder that positive coverage requires something concrete to positively report on, it was functional not deep, but otherwise v good post.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:55
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Extremely pleased to have disliked starmer from the beginning and been entirely vindicated.
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I'm hearing increasing reports that Starmer is good actually, so maybe consider that before you spout off?
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Mar 29, 2021 21:58
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Mar 29, 2021 21:58
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Comrade Fakename posted:He is delivering nothing of what he was supposed to deliver. It’s not a question of why we don’t like him - we never did and are unlikely to be convinced. The question is why don’t you hate him? He has made a fool of you. This whole post is good, but I just want to say, it's unlikely I ever would have *liked* him but I could have seen myself supporting him if he'd stuck to all the things he pledged to do during his leadership campaign, i.e. continue with a leftist manifesto. As it was I did not vote for him in the leadership elections because I simply didn't believe that he would do the things he said, and I was right. And like CF above here I can't understand how, if you supported him at all at the start, you wouldn't think he's a loving joker and a fraud at this point. By no measure is he convincing or inspiring or effective or even "forensic", and he's definitely not "unifying".
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OwlFancier posted:Extremely pleased to have disliked starmer from the beginning and been entirely vindicated. I expected him to be more bullied by the left but he just collapsed to the dipshits instantly.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Zero Gravitas, you should be angrier at Keir Starmer than anyone. IIRC, you were rah rah for Corbyn until the 2019 election, and then with the loss you backed Starmer in a pragmatic move. Now, I obviously wasn’t convinced at all, but I could see the logic there: a unity candidate who will present essentially the entire Corbyn agenda in an electable package the media likes. It’s not a bad idea, in those terms. Put this post on a billboard outside the next Labour conference.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:00
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I mean I didn't like him cos I didn't see a reason to trust anything he said, and having spent the last year proving that you can't trust anything he says unless it involves sucking cop dick, I think I was entirely right and he's not offering me anything worth voting for. But I am assured that there is some magical practicality that is more important than literally anything beneficial happening for me, politically. And I should really be more sympathetic to the small business owners, so who can say what is important in the long run?
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Mar 29, 2021 22:03
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The thing that’s been annoying me most about Starmer is that if he’d attempted to deliver on even half of his leadership election pledges I’d honestly have been pretty ok with him even though he wasn’t my guy. As it is he’s ripped up every singe one of them.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:04
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I think the part where I was like "okay come the gently caress on" was the kneeling in his office for BLM and then asking for more pigs.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:04
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There's no reason to expect him to have any political nous is there? He's only been in electoral politics for 6 years, and thats mostly consisted of being parachuted into a safe seat and then being a oval office
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Vitamin P posted:The Guardian and Observer were 'asking' as a quick shot-above-the-bow reminder that positive coverage requires something concrete to positively report on, it was functional not deep, but otherwise v good post. gently caress off out of this thread.
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Mar 29, 2021 22:20
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Comrade Fakename posted:gently caress off out of this thread. More and more people are saying this
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Mar 29, 2021 22:25
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I would be saying it but I literally can't see when he posts unless someone quotes it so just assume it.
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Tesseraction posted:I mean I didn't vote for Starmer but was happy to give him a chance. Not looking like he has a chance as it stands at the moment. Yeah same. I voted RLB but if he had actually been a unity candidate I might be out on the doorstep for him rn. As is? Bring on the North (of the Thames) Independence Party. Also yeah why is Vit P still here?
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Mar 29, 2021 22:47
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Also same. I'd have settled for a genuine unity candidate who kept some elements of Corbyn's policies while overall shifting to a more mainstream appeal. But Starmer's been so breathtakingly lovely and dishonest that I'll have nothing to do with Labour for as long as he's leader.
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I assume ZG just hasn't been following tings since 2019 and so hasn't experienced the dawning horror of actually following what smithers has been up to There's gonna be a lot of people like that I think who just sorta vaguely know him as boring but forensic from the telly
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I didn't vote for Starmer but I'm fully prepared to compromise on policy, within reason, to back a Blair-aping pragmatist who could really stick the knife in. But no, it's the same shower of PR-huffing shits who spent the last five years sabotaging anything they got their fingers in, lead by a guy who makes Joe Boden look spirited and proactive. There is no amount of support from the left, however unconditional, that will make Labour 'electable' in this state.
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Mar 29, 2021 23:02
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josh04 posted:There is no amount of support from the left, however unconditional, that will make Labour 'electable' in this state. At the same time, a lack of support from the left will be pointed at by the arseholes currently running Labour as further evidence that they need to lurch even further to the right to appease more Tory voters
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I thought Starmer was going to be poo poo but not this poo poo. Still very possible that Nandy would have been worse.
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Julio Cruz posted:*Camrath hurriedly scrawls words in a notebook* honestly this would be fun for halloween time if you had a spare blacklight tube https://www.cakecraftcompany.com/lookbook/glow-in-the-dark-edible-li17 NUKA-FUDGE NoneMoreNegative fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:I assume ZG just hasn't been following tings since 2019 and so hasn't experienced the dawning horror of actually following what smithers has been up to Last time they visited the thread they were openly trolling. I thought it out of character at the time but people took Corbyn losing pretty bad and I guess open contempt is his way. I kinda get it. The left rolled over and died that day. But giving in to the Labour right is not the answer. Voting for Keith ain’t gonna fix anything. Labour needs to die if anything is to be salvaged. We ARE in the Wilderness and for those of us outside Scotland there is not, currently, a path home. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Yeah if Smithers had been a genuine unity candidate I'd have been way more favourable but unifying the left and right against him is not what I meant.
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I have no idea what this wilderness shite is supposed to mean, sounds like magical horseshit to me.
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i have to vote for a mayor and a policeman and some other person? can't be hosed.
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Noxville posted:I thought Starmer was going to be poo poo but not this poo poo. Still very possible that Nandy would have been worse. Nandy does have principles, it's just a shame they're all 'british jobs for british people' with a side of mild social democracy
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Miftan posted:Nandy does have principles, it's just a shame they're all 'british jobs for british people' with a side of mild social democracy Who doesn't love a bit of nationalism in their socialism after all.
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I’m actually lolling at how I was quickly I was fooled by that deluge of ‘Starmer is a secret leftist’ articles that came out days before the election. Good God. I hosed it everyone, sorry
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Pistol_Pete posted:Also same. I'd have settled for a genuine unity candidate who kept some elements of Corbyn's policies while overall shifting to a more mainstream appeal. But Starmer's been so breathtakingly lovely and dishonest that I'll have nothing to do with Labour for as long as he's leader. josh04 posted:I didn't vote for Starmer but I'm fully prepared to compromise on policy, within reason, to back a Blair-aping pragmatist who could really stick the knife in. But no, it's the same shower of PR-huffing shits who spent the last five years sabotaging anything they got their fingers in, lead by a guy who makes Joe Boden look spirited and proactive. There is no amount of support from the left, however unconditional, that will make Labour 'electable' in this state. This is pretty much my view. I never had a vote in the Labour leadership but expected Starmer to - at worst - be a tedious Blair-apeing technocrat who would at least be good at the game of politics and so coast to a hollow, meaningless election win by virtue of not being either Johnson or Corbyn. At best he would be what he purported to be, someone still well to the left of mainstream British politics who would keep some/most/all of the Corbyn era's big headline policies but be a more generally acceptable front for them. But it's incredible how utterly useless he's been at every opportunity. As I said itt before, he makes JC look like a canny political mastermind. He's not even good at delivering bland platitudes or basic politicking. Remember when Labour were announcing their great new post-Covid vision for Britain and directly evoked the Beveridge report - a document which inspired a nation, defined British society and politics for the next 35 years, ran through numerous print runs in a matter of weeks and was eagerly passed around and read aloud in homes, pubs, offices, factories, theatres, train compartments, army barracks and ship mess decks around the country, nay, wherever in the world British forces were deployed? That Beveridge report. Starmer's version was to suggest a national investment bond scheme, a scheme to provide loans to new business and to not cut the UC uplift that the Tories were only thinking about cutting anyway. All done up in a dreadful piece of graphic design. And everyone stopped talking about it about four hours after the speech and I had to google it just now to confirm exactly what the three non-policies were. Such a wet fart of a politician.
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah if Smithers had been a genuine unity candidate I'd have been way more favourable but unifying the left and right against him is not what I meant. Michael Walker had him pegged before he won when he said that the only way to end infighting in the Labour party was to purge one faction or another and it was clearly going to be the left
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Aidan_702 posted:I’m actually lolling at how I was quickly I was fooled by that deluge of ‘Starmer is a secret leftist’ articles that came out days before the election. Good God. I hosed it everyone, sorry Don't apologise mate. Hopefulness is a virtue when made in good faith. MikeCrotch posted:Michael Walker had him pegged before he won when he said that the only way to end infighting in the Labour party was to purge one faction or another and it was clearly going to be the left Yeah but his initials are Michael SJW, so, you know. 
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NoneMoreNegative posted:honestly this would be fun for halloween time if you had a spare blacklight tube Holy poo poo, this requires further investigation.
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